Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 67

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

I’m liking most everything else he’s doing and he’s just fulfilling more campaign promises by issuing the ban.

Do you know what would be nice? If he would put some thought into these things before doing them. Leaving aside whether or not you agree with his executive orders, he’s just throwing them all out there without any consultation or consideration for the effects, and no one knows what the hell is going on. Confusion and chaos.

Dek, I noticed you ignore this. You like the “what” that he’s doing, can you defend the “how?”

I didn’t ignore it. I just didn’t respond to it. I don’t have anything to say on that matter, because I have no way of knowing how he came to his decisions (unless he actually took the time to fully explain everything in an interview or something).

Not the how of how he came to decisions, the how of how he’s making policy without any thought to the effects.

Also, were you one of those people who complained about Emperor Obama overreaching with executive orders?

Dek, you are missing the point of both my questions, and I can’t tell if you’re doing it deliberately or not, but either way I give up.

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.

This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.

When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?

It did and your copying me to get a rise out of me is moot too

Tyrphanax said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I believe what I want, not what they tell me. I know my facts about the process up til now are solid. As I am agnostic, Church World Service isn’t my cup of tea when it comes to news, as I like to keep religion and politics separate.

I don’t know where you live and I am sorry you feel the way you do about the circumstances. I would like to see the process streamlined to make it easier for those wanting to start a new life and harder for those only interested in making it worse for everyone except themselves. If you take issue with that, it is your right, but it doesn’t mean what I believe is based on a lie.

I strongly advise you read up on the difficulty of legally immigrating to the US as a refugee or willingly. Try going through the process yourself (not actually, but pretend) and see if you’d be eligible to immigrate to the US.

Here are some links to get you started on the process.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/immigrant-process.html
https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/green-card-processes-procedures
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

This is a good one with a game that uses data and stats from the actual process! Try out the classic “combat-aged male” combination. Try all of them!
http://www.ibtimes.com/immigration-reform-how-hard-it-become-us-citizen-play-game-interactive-game-1370721

Though I appreciate your faux concern and understand your sarcasm I have a sister-in-law from the Philipines and I know exactly how hard it was for her to get through the process.

😃

SilverWook said:

Can’t we just get beyond Thunderdome?

That’s it, I’m calling Tina Turner, maybe she can straighten this crap out. 😉

Is it ok for white person to say the n-word in the performance of play where their character is a racist and uses that word?

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Cherry-Hill-will-present-Ragtime-production---with-the-N-word.html

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t recall what I thought about the executive orders, but what I do know is that I didn’t like what he was doing, so I can only imagine that I wasn’t too happy about all of his executive orders.

and yet you’re okay with Trump doing everything via executive order?

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.

This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.

When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?

It did

Doesn’t seem so moot now, there are about to get rid of Obamacare.

and your copying me to get a rise out of me is moot too

You do not speak for me.

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Dek, you are missing the point of both my questions, and I can’t tell if you’re doing it deliberately or not, but either way I give up.

What do you mean? I don’t remember if I complained about his use of executive orders, and I don’t know what Trump is thinking, so I can hardly answer either question.

Lets put it this way: If you complained about Obama’s use of executive orders instead of going through Congress, but have no problem with Trump’s use of executive orders instead of going through Congress, you are a hypocrite.

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t recall what I thought about the executive orders, but what I do know is that I didn’t like what he was doing, so I can only imagine that I wasn’t too happy about all of his executive orders.

and yet you’re okay with Trump doing everything via executive order?

Most of the ones he is issuing are things that I think need to be done. He practically undid the Obama legacy in a week, and I;m fine with that.

So it ok a President to do things via executive order instead of going through Congress, as long he/she is doing something you agree with?

Tyrphanax said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Tyrphanax said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I believe what I want, not what they tell me. I know my facts about the process up til now are solid. As I am agnostic, Church World Service isn’t my cup of tea when it comes to news, as I like to keep religion and politics separate.

I don’t know where you live and I am sorry you feel the way you do about the circumstances. I would like to see the process streamlined to make it easier for those wanting to start a new life and harder for those only interested in making it worse for everyone except themselves. If you take issue with that, it is your right, but it doesn’t mean what I believe is based on a lie.

I strongly advise you read up on the difficulty of legally immigrating to the US as a refugee or willingly. Try going through the process yourself (not actually, but pretend) and see if you’d be eligible to immigrate to the US.

Here are some links to get you started on the process.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/immigrant-process.html
https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/green-card-processes-procedures
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

This is a good one with a game that uses data and stats from the actual process! Try out the classic “combat-aged male” combination. Try all of them!
http://www.ibtimes.com/immigration-reform-how-hard-it-become-us-citizen-play-game-interactive-game-1370721

Though I appreciate your faux concern and understand your sarcasm I have a sister-in-law from the Philipines and I know exactly how hard it was for her to get through the process.

😃

It’s not faux concern and it’s not sarcasm, Fo, and frankly, I’m insulted that you jump immediately to that every time anyone wants to have a rational conversation with you.

I’m sorry for your sister-in-law for having to go through that, and I’m also sorry for all the other sisters-in-law trying to immigrate now who will no longer be able to enter the country.

The verbal presentation of your point was misleading. I am sorry if I misunderstood. I’m not used to an awful lot of rational conversation around here.

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.

This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.

When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?

It did

Doesn’t seem so moot now, there are about to get rid of Obamacare.

and your copying me to get a rise out of me is moot too

You do not speak for me.

^^LOL, you’re funny.

Warbler said:

Is it ok for white person to say the n-word in the performance of play where their character is a racist and uses that word?

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Cherry-Hill-will-present-Ragtime-production---with-the-N-word.html

Yes.

http://theshizz.org/forum/index.php/topic/40280-donald-trump-is-your-new-president/?p=1345672

The executive order on immigration was rash and not thought through before signing. When the news first came out, I incorrectly assumed that it would only impact new immigrants. But it affects people who already have visas. My company (a large tech company) has at least 70 different employees and/or their families that are affected by this executive order. At least we’re able to provide legal assistance to them. I feel for anyone who has a legal visa to be in the US but who has been detained or might get detained in the near future.

Fuck Trump.

This is what I mean, Dek. Trump’s thought process is irrelevant because it’s clear there was no thought process at all. I mean, unless his ultimate plan was to break up families and strand people who were here legally, and if that’s the case, then he’s even worse than I thought.

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

I don’t recall what I thought about the executive orders, but what I do know is that I didn’t like what he was doing, so I can only imagine that I wasn’t too happy about all of his executive orders.

and yet you’re okay with Trump doing everything via executive order?

Most of the ones he is issuing are things that I think need to be done. He practically undid the Obama legacy in a week, and I;m fine with that.

So it ok a President to do things via executive order instead of going through Congress, as long he/she is doing something you agree with?

Did I ever say that I morally disagree with Obama’s use of executive orders?

That’s what we’ve been trying to get at. If you didn’t disagree with him using executive orders (independent of what those orders were) then that’s fine. Republicans (including ferris, IIRC) screamed bloody murder because Obama was using executive orders, not because of what he was doing with those orders (I mean they bitched about the specifics to but I’m pointing to the fact that they said he was ruling by executive order). And now…silence…despite the fact that Trump is doing it at a rate that will far exceed what Obama did. It’s hypocritical.

^Alternate doomsday rant.