Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 70

SilverWook said:

Bobo Jameson said:

SilverWook said:

Bobo Jameson said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.

TFA wasn’t perfect but neither is RO. I’d argue the problems with RO are more glaring than TFA. And some, like this, you have to think about a little more.

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

So…he was just trying to kill everyone? Not get the plans? And that’s why he stares at the Tantive IV as it takes off? Because he didn’t get to kill more people?

Riiiiiiight.

Hey digitalfreaknyc, go watch the CinemaSins episodes of the original Star Wars trilogy on YouTube.

Hey Bobo, familiarize yourself with the rules around here, and stop trying to pick a fight with people who’ve been on this forum longer than you have.
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Guidelines-for-Post-Content-and-General-Behavior-Or-How-Not-To-Get-Banned/id/12074

Um I think that the other guy is trying to pick a fight and stirring up crap. I’ve done nothing!

Don’t bring outside forum drama in here either.

I’m not bringing in drama. I was just kind of taken aback by how that guy can try to make trouble on yet another forum as he said himself “throwing a monkey wrench into” a scene in Rogue One that people already holds dear.

I got back from it. I rather enjoyed it, but I think I need a little while longer to process it.

The biggest thing I enjoyed (from a worldbuilding perspective) is that when they discuss the weakness of the death star, it implied the Thermal Exhaust Port, but it didn’t outright say it. He said the Death Star was rigged to explode based on the way the reactor was put together.

I don’t know, but I always feel like people overhype the actual port as far as the flaw goes, when really it was just a convenient access point.

flametitan said:

I got back from it. I rather enjoyed it, but I think I need a little while longer to process it.

The biggest thing I enjoyed (from a worldbuilding perspective) is that when they discuss the weakness of the death star, it implied the Thermal Exhaust Port, but it didn’t outright say it. He said the Death Star was rigged to explode based on the way the reactor was put together.

I don’t know, but I always feel like people overhype the actual port as far as the flaw goes, when really it was just a convenient access point.
Rogue One does require multiple viewings and I’m glad that it’s being enjoyed by so many! 😄

Bobo Jameson said:

flametitan said:

I got back from it. I rather enjoyed it, but I think I need a little while longer to process it.

The biggest thing I enjoyed (from a worldbuilding perspective) is that when they discuss the weakness of the death star, it implied the Thermal Exhaust Port, but it didn’t outright say it. He said the Death Star was rigged to explode based on the way the reactor was put together.

I don’t know, but I always feel like people overhype the actual port as far as the flaw goes, when really it was just a convenient access point.

Rogue One does require multiple viewings and I’m so glad that it’s being enjoyed by so many! 😄

Just seen this tonight for the first time. I have to say I loved the pacing, and Edwards was very good at adding tension to the action and raising the stakes. The Scarif orbital shield, Vader’s castle (I know not new) and Jeddah were all ideas pulled from the original concepts for TFA (from the art-book,) which I got super excited about the more I saw, maybe we’ll see more ideas from that book in VIII.

The space battle was thrilling, however I found it a bit odd and OP that the hammerhead could trash two star destroyers just by pushing them together.

I hated the stupid throwaway cameos (R2, 3PO, Dr Evazan), it felt worse for breaking immersion than even the CGI added to Mos Eisley in ANH.

CG Actors - The intro shot of Tarkin turning around was a dead giveaway for CG, but I think his other scenes looked convincing, I think it just depended what lighting he was in.

Leia however just looked robotic and the lingering shot was weird, maybe it was just the single word said.

The Darth Vader texas chainsaw massacre was absolutely stunning and terrifying. However the shot of him watching the Tantive IV jump to hyperspace destroys the continuity - how could Leia pretend not to be part of the rebellion when her ship had just undocked and flew out of a battle with her crew knowing that Vader witnessed them??

I do think the knowledge that the scenes and dialogue from the trailers was removed has jaded me, particularly as I went to Star Wars Celebration and the anecdote Edwards gave about recording with James Earl Jones saying ‘power’ didn’t really happen, well at least the word was said by Vader, but not with any emphasis so I really hope the original cut was trash, because I really enjoyed what we got in the theatre.

bishabosha said:

Just seen this tonight for the first time. I have to say I loved the pacing, and Edwards was very good at adding tension to the action and raising the stakes. The Scarif orbital shield, Vader’s castle (I know not new) and Jeddah were all ideas pulled from the original concepts for TFA (from the art-book,) which I got super excited about the more I saw, maybe we’ll see more ideas from that book in VIII.

The space battle was thrilling, however I found it a bit odd and OP that the hammerhead could trash two star destroyers just by pushing them together.

I hated the stupid throwaway cameos (R2, 3PO, Dr Evazan), it felt worse for breaking immersion than even the CGI added to Mos Eisley in ANH.

CG Actors - The intro shot of Tarkin turning around was a dead giveaway for CG, but I think his other scenes looked convincing, I think it just depended what lighting he was in.

Leia however just looked robotic and the lingering shot was weird, maybe it was just the single word said.

The Darth Vader texas chainsaw massacre was absolutely stunning and terrifying. However the shot of him watching the Tantive IV jump to hyperspace destroys the continuity - how could Leia pretend not to be part of the rebellion when her ship had just undocked and flew out of a battle with her crew knowing that Vader witnessed them??

I do think the knowledge that the scenes and dialogue from the trailers was removed has jaded me, particularly as I went to Star Wars Celebration and the anecdote Edwards gave about recording with James Earl Jones saying ‘power’ didn’t really happen, well at least the word was said by Vader, but not with any emphasis so I really hope the original cut was trash, because I really enjoyed what we got in the theatre.

The Vader Texas Chainsaw Massacre?! What the hell? And nothing is as bad and hokey as the special edition Mos Eisley scenes in Star Wars. Well maybe the two changed musical numbers in Return Of The Jedi.

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

bishabosha said:

I hated the stupid throwaway cameos (R2, 3PO, Dr Evazan), it felt worse for breaking immersion than even the CGI added to Mos Eisley in ANH.

I think it made sense for R2 and 3PO to be there.

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

From what I’ve heard Mustafar.

To be honest I never expected it to actually give us even the slightest peek into Vader’s home, and I was joking to myself at the time how they must’ve read my questions over what Vader did when he wasn’t slaughtering rebels.

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed the former.

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

The visual is certainly cool though. Plus maybe Rebels reference - “Mustafar is where Jedi go to die.”

(and I don’t think Sullust would make sense anyway - why would the Rebel fleet mass around Vader’s hangout world?)

SilverWook said:

IIRC, Vader’s home does exist as some old pre ROTJ concept art.

Yeah I believe it began life as an ESB concept.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed the former.

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

The visual is certainly cool though. Plus maybe Rebels reference - “Mustafar is where Jedi go to die.”

(and I don’t think Sullust would make sense anyway - why would the Rebel fleet mass around Vader’s hangout world?)

I like to think Palpatine built it for him as a gift and a bit of a cruel joke. It feels like something he’d do.

True.

SilverWook said:

IIRC, Vader’s home does exist as some old pre ROTJ concept art.

Yes, Vader’s castle makes its first appearance in Leigh Brackett’s original screenplay for ESB. They also made at least two pieces of concept art for it during ESB preproduction. They’re actually really cool and I’ve wanted to see Vader’s castle in official media since I first say the concept art back in the 90’s. I think it was in The Art of The Empire Strikes Back.

I’m happy to say, the interpretation of the castle on display in Rogue One did not disappoint!!

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I’ve gotta see this movie again, and soon.

I’m really impressed with Giacchino’s soundtrack;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEzKRngCyY

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

I figured he chose it because of all of his negative associations with the place, so that he can cultivate angst and hatred to fuel his power. I saw a blurb from Hidalgo’s visual dictionary that said his meditation chamber overlooks the location of his duel with Obi-Wan. I bet he often just stares out at that and stews in the bad vibes.

I guess the dark side is fueled by pain… but then why no trip to Tatooine?

Because he’s never been there and the guy who told you that story was a lying drunk.

But Owen thought he should have stayed there and not gotten involved?

Eh, basically killing your pregnant wife who you’ve been trying to save the whole time and then getting your limbs hacked up and set on fire by your best friend has got to rate at least as high on the trauma scale as your mom getting killed by Sand People. He went through some shit on Tatooine, but Mustafar is where he went full Vader. Plus, Mustafar is a much radder place for an evil lair.

These are in-universe explanations, of course. I think we all know the main reason he didn’t hunker down on Tatooine is that it would be impossible to make that work with the rest of the existing material.

EDIT: I misunderstood, I thought you were suggesting he should have built his digs on Tatooine. In the canon comics he actually does go back to Tatooine shortly after the events of ANH and slaughters another village of Tuskens just to kill time waiting for Boba Fett to meet him.