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Ronster said:
there's no way "Bring my shuttle" and this scene could work unless you either have empty platform or perhaps Luke's x-wing. [/quote]

Not entirely true. Read what I just said earlier. Of course there would be a time lapse from when he says "Bring my shuttle" and the shot of the platform, but it'd help that sense of time lapse better if the shuttle is seen landing, instead of already landed.

While I'm thinking of it, it could also be a good idea to see/hear a tie fighter or two go past in the background. Perhaps they were the shuttle's escort and now going about around the city, further occupying and threatening the city that Lando warned them about (who could potentially be, but maybe not, 2 of the 4 fighters who pursue the Falcon later).

This is when I really wish I could create a motion mock-up/concept :)[/quote]

Well I watched the events leading up to Luke landing and Vader does say "Bring the princess and the wookie to my ship" So that means Vaders ship is there already for a fact. So it's safe to assume that Vader went to closest Launch Platform rather than where his ship actually was. But I suppose you can see where the special edition was coming from on this. The real missing scene by the script is Vader watching the falcon re-approach cloud city that would have tied it all together much better without the need to see ships taking off and landing or on launch pads etc. Although the script timeline is jumbled up from what is in the film. As Tobar said Flow of the film should always be the primary concern over anything else.

@imperial fighter I love the way you break down the footage in your analysis. anyway I had an idea and excuse the crude art skills I was never born with, but anyway you'll know what I mean and it's not that I am bothered about it either. Just an idea.

or more like

Or keep it unflipped as you say but try to make it feel as if they are on the same place a bit more

Probably more like this though

And the perhaps impossible...

Lando's looking at R2!

brimforge said:

hehe, when did Luke get his X-Wing back ?

I forgot that he parked it on Cloud City (now off-limits for Rebels), but flying it later to Tatooine and Dagobah ... (*

 I'm genuinely surprised this is an issue for some. It'd be like wondering if John Maclain ever gets his original shoes back in Die Hard.

We don't even know that the X-wing in ESB is the same one he flew in ANH. It's just a military fighter, it's not a personally-owned ship with sentimental attachment like the Falcon.

Maybe it was scrapped, maybe it was sold on/stolen or confiscated by the Empire. It doesn't really make any difference.

It isn't that much of an "issue", I just never thought about it, because the story felt natural and yes maybe he got another back home ...

heck, even in the Battle of Endor  there is an X-Wing (Red 5), that is flown by some pilot (and he got shot down later I think)

so just a funny sidenote ;-)

I know it has become a staple of Star Wars history but I never thought that there were actual "Red" or "Gold" squadrons when I originally watched the movie as a kid. I thought they were simply the squadrons' callsigns. Same with "Home One", which was clearly a callsign. Seriously, who would name a battleship and a fleet flagship at that "Home One"!? At least the X-Wing series tried to fix it and call it Independence but that was later retconned. Meh.

Whatever, my point is why should things be taken so literally? Real pilots in wartime flew a number of planes. Whether their "mount" was lost to ground fire, shot down, mechanical wear or engine/structural failure. Luke's "Red 5" X-Wing was just a random beat down X-Wing* that was likely replaced with other random not so worn X-Wings as the war progressed.

* don't get me started about how stupid the entire X-Wings "are super secret top of the line stolen fighters" thing is. At best they should have been the previous generation (Clone Wars/pre-Civil War years) top of te line fighters, like late 1980s Su-27s or F-15s.

Even the supposedly inferior TIEs are clearly faster in the Death Star trench run and look newer/more modern. ;)

I can't wait for Die Hard: Revisited.

"Red 5" and later "Rogue Leader" don't designate Luke's ship, they designate him. It's his call-sign whatever X-wing he's flying.

Burdokva said:

* don't get me started about how stupid the entire X-Wings "are super secret top of the line stolen fighters" thing is.

The entire plot of ANH revolved around the rebels stealing the plans for the Death Star and you think the idea of them stealing a ship design is stupid?

Burdokva said:

At best they should have been the previous generation (Clone Wars/pre-Civil War years) top of te line fighters, like late 1980s Su-27s or F-15s.

 That's what the Alliance used at first : the Y-wings bombers and Z-95 Headhunters, used by the Republic army during the Clone Wars (you can see them mostly during Filoni's show). They were so sturdy they were still in use during the New Republic's time. But the X-wing being a better ship was the Alliance's navy spearhead.

And the TIE's are inferior fighters. They have no shield generators, no hyperdrive and less powerful engines. The reason they seem to be faster in the trench run is because at first the rebel pilots are going in at reduced speed to be sure not to miss their target and be able to pull up on time. If you remember the moment when Luke goes in he says "we're going in full speed this time"

This reminds me of that discussion between Lucas and Marquand regarding the rebel briefing room in RotJ - the one in which Lucas declared that the rebels were winning because they had the best equipment (can't remember which thread that was cited in - perhaps this one?)

There's no logical reason why the Empire, with their unlimited reach and resources, would purposely field an inferior fighter as an absolute standard - even taking the argument that the first-line flyers are disposable, how come we never see the big guns?

Worse, the idea that X-Wings are just better ships serves to further undermine the whole ethos of the rebellion. As far as the films present the situation (and that's where I personally draw the line), the X-Wing vs. TIE match is at the very least equal, and the outcome of a dogfight entirely depends on pilot skill and courage... and that's the whole point. Or at least it used to be.

this is only "EU" knowledge (so take it with a grain of salt!), but as story goes the Empire had many weapon factories - Kuat Drive Yards, Sienar Fleet Systems, etc. - and they had to decide if they wanted a superior fleet, but small in numbers or better a large disposable one, that was cheaper (and missing parts, that aren't needed)

so the deal for the fighters went to Sienar, and they got rid of every thing, that pilots in close combat aren't using (Hyperdrive!) - to make them faster (and they were fast, befor the TIE Interceptor got produced) even the shields got scrapped and the T.win I.on E.ngine was the perfect machine for dogfighters at that time ...

rumors tell, that life support was missing to push the pilots in pursuing their goal with more fury (and like Luke said, they were ment to protect convoys)

See, this is why I hate The EU. It's admirable to create a rich back story for the novels of course, but so often it undermines the logic of the film and also the moral of the story as it does in this case - which is that the underdog facing overwhelming odds can achieve anything if their cause is just. You have the technological Empire with disposable ships and men, and you have the Rebels where everything is at stake and it's all about the skills and belief of individual men. The fact Luke wins the day through religion when the Empire has none is no coincidence either. Whilst it would still be no doubt overwhelming odds with experimental advanced ships, the concept still diminishes any victories in my opinion.

Jonno said:

This reminds me of that discussion between Lucas and Marquand regarding the rebel briefing room in RotJ - the one in which Lucas declared that the rebels were winning because they had the best equipment (can't remember which thread that was cited in - perhaps this one?)

There's no logical reason why the Empire, with their unlimited reach and resources, would purposely field an inferior fighter as an absolute standard - even taking the argument that the first-line flyers are disposable, how come we never see the big guns?

Worse, the idea that X-Wings are just better ships serves to further undermine the whole ethos of the rebellion. As far as the films present the situation (and that's where I personally draw the line), the X-Wing vs. TIE match is at the very least equal, and the outcome of a dogfight entirely depends on pilot skill and courage... and that's the whole point. Or at least it used to be.

I think he meant that the Rebel fighters were essentially hand crafted at that point. All the spares were no longer available so they had to make do and mend, which added unpredictable elements to each ships performance. Each fighter was valued and so was the pilot so they were shielded and the pilots were encouraged to think as skilled individuals.

The Empire is a production line churning out wave after wave of identical fighters and pilots all trained to be efficient and follow the rule book. They don't need to be protected because there is an endless supply of craft and pilots. Rebelliousness would be ironed out and any deviation would be seen as treason.

This is their weakness. Hit enough of the production line for either pilots or craft or both and you have cracks down their own philosophical fault-lines.

This is also not the general discussion board so I won't go any further :-D

Rebel fighters would start out as Old Republic era fighters but like the classic cars of Cuba would end up as pretty much unique hand crafted machines. Each modified to the pilot's specifications.

A bit like the Vipers in NuGalactica.

The Rebels (like Pirates) need to go in to capture/ambush a convoy and jump out in time before reinforcments (more Star Destroyers etc.) arrive ...

so the X-Wing foremostly got all the good parts the Rebels could find, because the Y-Wings were outdated long ago (and are just "upgraded" Bombers)

It isn't really important, if the X-Wing was a stolen (dropped?) Imperial prototype or not - we don't get the backgrounds in the movies, because the facts are simple: the Imperial Warmachine has unlimited ressources -  the Alliance has only so much as to win another battle and they hope for the big one (aka Luke & the Force!)

This discussion needs to go to the General Star Wars discussion boards now (I am very sorry for my part of this derailment).

Lets build a Snow-Chewbacca ;-)

HotRod said:

.Mac. said:

Really looking forward to seeing how that replacement shot will look when completed :)

 

In a couple of years you just may!

;)

 And perhaps 5 years after that if people keep on pointing out non essential "errors".

Jonno said:

As far as the films present the situation (and that's where I personally draw the line), the X-Wing vs. TIE match is at the very least equal, and the outcome of a dogfight entirely depends on pilot skill and courage... and that's the whole point. Or at least it used to be.

Actually, the outcome of a dogfight now entirely depends on each pilot's midichlorian count. I wonder if Revisited will reveal whether Luke's MC count was high enough. Seems like a good topic for Yoda and Ghost Ben to discuss as Luke's leaving Dagobah in ESB.

BEN: If only he had as many midichlorians as his father. That boy is our last hope.

YODA: No. There is another. And higher her midichlorian count is. Less training will she require. Good this is, as too damn old I am.

Non essential errors?

Don't fret about people pointing out stuff. It has more or less been said and covered before.

I don't think it is possible to find anymore issues in the original films that finished a while ago.

Ronster said:

Don't fret about people pointing out stuff. It has more or less been said and covered before.

I don't think it is possible to find anymore issues in the original films that finished a while ago.

 I like that you're the one saying these things.