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back then I thougth R2 and 3PO had a very long partnership going way beyond Episode 1 ... cause those droids could be "ancient" ;-)

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Just watched the short clip and yep It seems the flashes have got the color back. The Blue ring is totally missing in my 2004 SE DVD in fact I am pretty sure they have been tweaked :) And they look a lot better.

If I am wrong then it looks way better than the DVD anyway. Speeder flaps look real good too.

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The way it's sounding now, we could possibly have both R2 and C-3PO be the personal companion droids for Padme. One way to treat them both with respect is cutting out their use for cheap (and stupid) comic relief (ala their entire role in the last third of AotC). So here's an idea: R2 and C-3PO are introduced proper in Attack of the Clones, C-3PO is the one who greets Anakin and Obi-wan when they arrive at the apartment instead of Jar-Jar, introducing himself in the usual fashion as well as adding that he's assistant to Padme and even introduces his counterpart R2D2, who is Padme's personal astro droid, and later the one doing the secuirty scan at night, which makes sense why Leia would inherit those two specific droids when Padme probably had many more. It also means that Luke, through Leia, indirectly inherits R2 from his mother, just as he indirectly inherited his lightsaber from his father through Obi-wan. But, I guess that's sorta getting ahead of things.

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brimforge said:

back then I thougth R2 and 3PO had a very long partnership going way beyond Episode 1 ... cause those droids could be "ancient" ;-)

  

Ancient-I'd say.  Don't forget the two droids were carved into the wall of the Well of Souls-

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Not trying to spoil people's fun, but you should probably take all the speculation on the roles of the droids in other films to the Unofficial Revisited Saga thread......

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well to be far it's kinda easy to get off topic. The edit is in it's final stages, and there's very little to suggest that a) isn't already in the edit b) hasn't already been rejected and c) could realistically be added in at this point. Ady's work has consistantly been excellent so the only thing left to be said is terrific work and can't wait for the edit to be released, and those have both been said countless times. So the only thing to really talk about is the future edits, especially those (ESPECIALLY the PT) will have far more fundamentally different edits than ANH:R and ESB:R have produced

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Regarding the spherical flashes, that's exactly how I've interpreted them throughout the films too, Ady, just as "flak" for the lasers. I have to say I am relieved that you improved most of those that lacked the 3-dimensionality and looked a bit dated ;)

I had a chance to view the "flaps test" clip multiple times already with my "critical goggles" on and I think there's one last detail that would look great if added (maybe it's partly because I'm getting spoiled with all of the enhanced details lol). Right here..

Luke's first couple sets of blasts are clearly hitting the snow. May we see impacts with snow getting picked up there? You did it when the Snowspeeders begin shooting at the fallen AT-AT that happens later. That's all that I can see, everything else is perfect!

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sonofjones said:

well to be far it's kinda easy to get off topic. The edit is in it's final stages, and there's very little to suggest that a) isn't already in the edit b) hasn't already been rejected and c) could realistically be added in at this point. Ady's work has consistantly been excellent so the only thing left to be said is terrific work and can't wait for the edit to be released, and those have both been said countless times. So the only thing to really talk about is the future edits, especially those (ESPECIALLY the PT) will have far more fundamentally different edits than ANH:R and ESB:R have produced

 ....which is why I suggested the thread that was created for the sole reason of these alternative topics of discussion (that is, related to the Revisited saga but not necessarily Episode V)

You just said yourself the only things left to discuss are things that could realistically be added to Episode V. Anything else is clogging up the thread and might mean that important stuff getting buried.

We're all guilty of going off topic once in a while, but don't try and be a smart ass about it when I was polite and offered the relevant place to discuss it.

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Yes there are Flak-like light flashes and impacts all over the place in the OT. While I can believe that a Stardestroyer, the Death Star or an AT-AT might be armed with flak-cannons to shoot down smaller ships (That's what flak is for) I'm not sure I buy a small Snowspeeder being armed with flak-cannons. Why would a fighter be armed with two anti-aircraft weapons?

So I still suspect that flash is just too high due to a mistake with the compositing. But if it doesn't bother anyone else and more importantly if it doesn't bother you Adywan, then it doesn't really matter.

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@Ryan McAvoy That's just it, they're flak-like and not necessarily anti-aircraft weapons. It was just the choice from the FX guys. Instead of having the lasers suddenly disappear into nothingness (sometimes they seem to), or go on forever, the lasers eventually "blap" into spheres of flak-like explosions. Their purpose is for a little extra detail and excitement - Nothing more, nothing less.

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.Mac. said:

Their purpose is for a little extra detail and excitement

I think this deserves to be repeated. Let's not let reality get too far in the way of entertainment. I want to watch ESB:R and say, "YEAAAHHH!" not, "Those speeder flaps are conforming to the laws of physics perfectly." This is art and entertainment, not a documentary.

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asterisk8 said:

.Mac. said:

Their purpose is for a little extra detail and excitement

I think this deserves to be repeated. Let's not let reality get too far in the way of entertainment. I want to watch ESB:R and say, "YEAAAHHH!" not, "Those speeder flaps are conforming to the laws of physics perfectly." This is art and entertainment, not a documentary.

 Totally, all the flashes and bangs and what not are what give the OT it's exhileration. I also like when ANH just cuts to white frames. I don't care what the EU explanation is for them being there.

But I still contend that that particular flash was a mistake and not a deliberate visual flourish like all the rest. Like I said earlier, I haven't come to that conclusion recently, 5-10 year old me in the 80s thought it stood out as an error, even on a blurry and worn-out 4:3 hometaped VHS.

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I have just finally caught up with the last few episodes of Clone Wars series, and episode 11, of season 6 (which was absolutely beautiful by the way) just had  a huge impact on Empire strikes back. (particularly Dagobah.

Wondering if theres any usable snippets of dialogue/ music/ sound effects Ady could use from this Dagobah episode. Some lovely R2 beeps and bloops with that Dagobah style echo added to it, very powerful scenes.

(spoilers!!!!  for those not caught up with the show))

... It was Yoda on Dagobah, learning how to communicate with Force Ghost Qui gon. And explained much about the cave. It made Yoda and Lukes lines "I'm not afraid" "you will be" a 100 times more powerful when we see what Yoda saw in there first.  Also, thankfully the Force has been explained and Midichloreans as a blood disease are now gone! This episode was pivotal in correcting much of what we knew/hated about the prequels. Turns out Yoda had more to learn, and balance has been somewhat restored to the OT.  very worth a watch just for this episode even if you don't watch the show. but it may have a small goldmine of usable sound content for Revisited perhaps.

I have not watched Empire purposely for about 2 years as i been waiting for this edit to get rid of the taste of blu-ray out of my eyes, but I cant wait, as my next viewing will have even more enhanced meaning to it.

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All that AND LIAM F*CKING NEESON saying "Yoda, Go to Dagobah!"

It went a long way to undoing a lot of the nonsense of the prequels. It really did feel like they were trying to tie up as much as possible in that short arc - I wonder how much of it was revised after the cancellation..

It had a very ESB sort of feel but it's probably too late now to consider as a resource for ESB Revisited. Although there might be some useful stuff for future edits.

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@ryan macavoy.

I think when the flashes have a colored circumference this is a deflector shield flash and when they pop and burst this is like the flak effect.

Theres even a huge type of water splash effect flash later on when the falcon loses it's rear deflector shield.

There is quite a lot of difference in the colors on the flashes in this scene and especially when the falcon flees with luke into the sunset between gout and the special edition.

Those 2 instances are the most noteworthy of color loss during the recomposite.

But during hoth there are also instances noteabley luke firing and that flash we have just been looking at and the flashes on the legs of the at-ats from the rebel dish lasers also suffered color loss

wether there is any real rhyme or reason to them yeah does not really matter. the only thing that bugs me is that the vibrancy of the original flashes got washed out.

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yoda1138 said:


i been waiting for this edit to get rid of the taste of blu-ray out of my eyes,

 You have weird eyes.

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HigHurtenflurst said:

DF Shadow said:

^^ Same here. I recall it was mentioned that ROTJR will be altered more than ANHR & ESBR. So I'm VERY curious about Ady's plans for the Jabba sequence and cannot wait for the eventual thread where we can all discuss it and offer ideas.

 Please Please PLEASE let something be done about the Ewoks!!  Suspension of disbelief can only go so far, and teddy bears defeating professional soldiers in armor always kicked me right out of the movie.

Hopefully we'll get a sneak peek at the hanger shots as they come together...  Can't wait to see what's changed.

 Not that I expect Ady to manage anything on this level, but I always thought it'd be more elegant if the entire forest was fighting the Empire having been disturbed by the battle eg. Stormtroopers chase Ewoks into a clearing, who disappear into the bushes, then a giant plant monster grabs and eats the Stormtroopers. You could even use CG to have monsters/living vines pulling DOWN the AT-ST instead of the daft tripping on logs bit that happens in the original.

The forest, apart from the noises, always did seem a bit devoid of life.

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metalmunki said:

HigHurtenflurst said:

DF Shadow said:

^^ Same here. I recall it was mentioned that ROTJR will be altered more than ANHR & ESBR. So I'm VERY curious about Ady's plans for the Jabba sequence and cannot wait for the eventual thread where we can all discuss it and offer ideas.

 Please Please PLEASE let something be done about the Ewoks!!  Suspension of disbelief can only go so far, and teddy bears defeating professional soldiers in armor always kicked me right out of the movie.

Hopefully we'll get a sneak peek at the hanger shots as they come together...  Can't wait to see what's changed.

 Not that I expect Ady to manage anything on this level, but I always thought it'd be more elegant if the entire forest was fighting the Empire having been disturbed by the battle eg. Stormtroopers chase Ewoks into a clearing, who disappear into the bushes, then a giant plant monster grabs and eats the Stormtroopers. You could even use CG to have monsters/living vines pulling DOWN the AT-ST instead of the daft tripping on logs bit that happens in the original.

The forest, apart from the noises, always did seem a bit devoid of life.

Basically, the ending from Avatar, Ewok Edition.

I'd be happy with just some Rebel troops added into the battle, with the Ewoks downplayed, and add in some of the deleted footage of Han Solo's team fighting their way into the base to set the explosives.

Back on topic: Has Ady or anyone else put together a blu ray cover yet? I'm pumped to get it ready for ESB:R's release!

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oh_riginal said:

metalmunki said:

HigHurtenflurst said:

DF Shadow said:

^^ Same here. I recall it was mentioned that ROTJR will be altered more than ANHR & ESBR. So I'm VERY curious about Ady's plans for the Jabba sequence and cannot wait for the eventual thread where we can all discuss it and offer ideas.

 Please Please PLEASE let something be done about the Ewoks!!  Suspension of disbelief can only go so far, and teddy bears defeating professional soldiers in armor always kicked me right out of the movie.

Hopefully we'll get a sneak peek at the hanger shots as they come together...  Can't wait to see what's changed.

 Not that I expect Ady to manage anything on this level, but I always thought it'd be more elegant if the entire forest was fighting the Empire having been disturbed by the battle eg. Stormtroopers chase Ewoks into a clearing, who disappear into the bushes, then a giant plant monster grabs and eats the Stormtroopers. You could even use CG to have monsters/living vines pulling DOWN the AT-ST instead of the daft tripping on logs bit that happens in the original.

The forest, apart from the noises, always did seem a bit devoid of life.

Basically, the ending from Avatar, Ewok Edition.

I'd be happy with just some Rebel troops added into the battle, with the Ewoks downplayed, and add in some of the deleted footage of Han Solo's team fighting their way into the base to set the explosives.

Back on topic: Has Ady or anyone else put together a blu ray cover yet? I'm pumped to get it ready for ESB:R's release!

If i remember correctly, the order of his workflow is first him completing the visual side of things, then the sound and then he releases a standalone version (just a video file). Only then does he work on the Disc Menu and cover art. So unless his workflow has changed dramatically, that's what you ought to expect.

Others may have already made their own covers in anticipation though.

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oh_riginal said:

metalmunki said:

HigHurtenflurst said:

DF Shadow said:

^^ Same here. I recall it was mentioned that ROTJR will be altered more than ANHR & ESBR. So I'm VERY curious about Ady's plans for the Jabba sequence and cannot wait for the eventual thread where we can all discuss it and offer ideas.

 Please Please PLEASE let something be done about the Ewoks!!  Suspension of disbelief can only go so far, and teddy bears defeating professional soldiers in armor always kicked me right out of the movie.

Hopefully we'll get a sneak peek at the hanger shots as they come together...  Can't wait to see what's changed.

 Not that I expect Ady to manage anything on this level, but I always thought it'd be more elegant if the entire forest was fighting the Empire having been disturbed by the battle eg. Stormtroopers chase Ewoks into a clearing, who disappear into the bushes, then a giant plant monster grabs and eats the Stormtroopers. You could even use CG to have monsters/living vines pulling DOWN the AT-ST instead of the daft tripping on logs bit that happens in the original.

The forest, apart from the noises, always did seem a bit devoid of life.

Basically, the ending from Avatar, Ewok Edition.

I'd be happy with just some Rebel troops added into the battle, with the Ewoks downplayed, and add in some of the deleted footage of Han Solo's team fighting their way into the base to set the explosives.

Back on topic: Has Ady or anyone else put together a blu ray cover yet? I'm pumped to get it ready for ESB:R's release!

 In my defence, I'd given this some thought long before Avatar ever showed up (happy days on the TheForce.net just after the release of TPM), but I'd swear I'd got the idea from an early concept for ROTJ. I could be way off base and imagined that last bit, though. I think it seems a pretty natural fit: The Ewoks are diminutive and primitive. Their only advantage is numbers, so unless we're going to get swarms of them World War Z style, I think having their knowledge of the forest play a part makes sense. I'm not talking about Avatar's autoimmune system-like eco-system, more the Ewoks leading the Imperials into dangerous situations with local fauna and flora.

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Johnny Ringo said:

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All that AND LIAM F*CKING NEESON saying "Yoda, Go to Dagobah!"

It went a long way to undoing a lot of the nonsense of the prequels. It really did feel like they were trying to tie up as much as possible in that short arc - I wonder how much of it was revised after the cancellation..

It had a very ESB sort of feel but it's probably too late now to consider as a resource for ESB Revisited. Although there might be some useful stuff for future edits.

 Yeah Liam Neesons voice was a welcome addition, glad it wasn't another actor trying to do his voice. That alone could be grafted into the ROTS Revisited perhaps.

You may be right about it being a little late in the game to add sounds etc into ESBR as its supposed to be almost finished. Still, worth a look before releasing it maybe? Just for a bit of polish perhaps.

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Am I the only one who would have been happy with Ady's excellent color correction and fixing the top 10 most obvious errors?

Clearly the finished edition will be a work of art and it is already very impressive, but looking at the previous "flap" sample I wonder if this isn't too much effort and too high a cost for such "little" effect.

As a programmer I can easily relate how, when you have a project, you find more and more things to fix and more and more detail to add. But there comes the point when you just have to say "that's it" and find a reasonable balance.

Especially when you are working alone on that kind of project. Adywan is getting outpaced by technology. This thing started with DVD format and by now we have seen the introduction of 720, 1080, 3D and now 4k. Don't get me wrong, I'm still find with a good DVD quality movie on our 46" and will be grateful for whatever Adywan is going to release whenever he sees fit. All I'm saying there is merit in having a schedule that doesn't span a decade.

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Markstar said:

Am I the only one who would have been happy with Ady's excellent color correction and fixing the top 10 most obvious errors?

 Yes ;-)

Markstar said:

Adywan is getting outpaced by technology. This thing started with DVD format and by now we have seen the introduction of 720, 1080, 3D and now 4k. Don't get me wrong, I'm still find with a good DVD quality movie on our 46" and will be grateful for whatever Adywan is going to release whenever he sees fit. All I'm saying there is merit in having a schedule that doesn't span a decade.

 As I understand it ESB:R will be 720, but the official ESB isn't really available in any of those larger formats you mention either.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Markstar said:

Am I the only one who would have been happy with Ady's excellent color correction and fixing the top 10 most obvious errors?

 Yes ;-)

Markstar said:

Adywan is getting outpaced by technology. This thing started with DVD format and by now we have seen the introduction of 720, 1080, 3D and now 4k. Don't get me wrong, I'm still find with a good DVD quality movie on our 46" and will be grateful for whatever Adywan is going to release whenever he sees fit. All I'm saying there is merit in having a schedule that doesn't span a decade.

 As I understand it ESB:R will be 720, but the official ESB isn't really available in any of those larger formats you mention either.

 

The way I see it, in a hobby project, there are no deadlines and it will be done when Adywan decides it is good enough or he doesn't want improve it anymore. That's the good thing about non comercial projects, they are as good as the author wants  it to be (or have the patience to do). :)

I believe the original movies will never be available in larger formats. If they do, it wouldn't be worth to have them. To have good 4k/3D movies, you have to make the movie in these formats. And the original trilogy wasn't made that way.