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Who's xhonzi?

xhonzi said:

timdiggerm said:

Isn't part of the point of ROTJ that you're supposed to worry about Luke? If you don't, there's no tension in the Emperor's offer.

Luke's dance on the dark side at the end of RotJ is so convincing to me... that had Anakin's been remotely like it- had we seen something very similar, but one thing had gone another way... it would have amped up the tension for RotJ.

I'm sure Anakin turned to the dark side because he started doing a few bad things (wearing black, kissing his sister) but was still doing them for a greater cause (saving the galaxy, sounding like a separatist) to the point that no one, not even himself, was that aware of how vulnerable to the seduction of the dark side he had become.

That is how you should worry about Luke in RotJ.  Luke's arc is like Orpheus- descending in to Hades to rescue a loved one without getting stuck there himself.  And Vader is struggling with whether he will let Luke save him (can he be saved?) or go through with converting him. 

When Luke lunges out at Vader and taps into the dark side long enough to defeat him, we shouldn't be too clear on who won the spiritual battle at that moment.

I very much hear what you're saying, but I think a compromise can be made between the emotions you wish the story to convey and the logical following of the plot...in fact perhaps it can be increased, and it largely relies on the music.

Yoda tells Luke as he's dying, "Don't underestimate the powers of the Emperor.  Once you start down the dark path, etc. etc."  Perhaps appropriate music at the right parts ("Vader.  You must confront Vader." "Once you start..."), the music can infer that Luke is filled with bitter feelings.  Similarly during his conversation with Ben, though that might take more restructuring.  That could be dark foreshadowing for Luke's later entrances.  If we include the Vader/Luke mental contact with appropriate foreboding music, as well as his entrance to Jabba's Palace, it may very well indicate Luke is drifting to the Dark Side.  Heck, even other points, like after Luke says, "I'm with you too," and Leia asks, "What's wrong?"  Or on the shuttle when, "Vader's aboard that ship."  I mean, the music can take things up a few notches, but it can all begin on Dagobah with Yoda's warning.  Hopefully GoodMusician is still with us, though I haven't seen him for several days.

Sluggo said:

Who's xhonzi?

You know...that guy with the face, er, without the face.

I know, I'm overwhelming the thread here, but I've been gone all day, and I have a final comment for now, as I'm about to put the little clonelings to bed.  I'm currently downloading the Interactive Board Game movie.  Hopefully it's got something good.  Should be done in about three hours.  I'll have to wait till tomorrow to watch it I'm sure.

I think you are thinking of the Billy Idol song, Guys Without A Face.

DarthEnderguy said:

Yoda tells Luke as he's dying, "Don't underestimate the powers of the Emperor.  Once you start down the dark path, etc. etc."  Perhaps appropriate music at the right parts ("Vader.  You must confront Vader." "Once you start..."), the music can infer that Luke is filled with bitter feelings.  Similarly during his conversation with Ben, though that might take more restructuring.  That could be dark foreshadowing for Luke's later entrances.  If we include the Vader/Luke mental contact with appropriate foreboding music, as well as his entrance to Jabba's Palace, it may very well indicate Luke is drifting to the Dark Side.  Heck, even other points, like after Luke says, "I'm with you too," and Leia asks, "What's wrong?"  Or on the shuttle when, "Vader's aboard that ship."  I mean, the music can take things up a few notches, but it can all begin on Dagobah with Yoda's warning.  Hopefully GoodMusician is still with us, though I haven't seen him for several days.

 

 

The music is a pretty good cheat.

I don't know if anything could really be done with this, but it occurred to me that there might be something to be done with Boba Fett.  I'm not exactly sure what, but at least consider that there are a few brief seconds in Return of the Ewok where we see Boba aboard the Death Star II, and that those brief seconds happen to be higher quality than the rest of the film.  Perhaps there is some slight subplot that could be worked around his presence there.  Again, it would require some serious fixing of a low-quality video source, and I don't know what else could be done beyond that, but perhaps you guys can think of something.

http://vimeo.com/16472287

Around the halfway point is Mr. Fett.  Again, I don't know if it's salvageable, but if so, perhaps further special effects (e.g. removing Wicket) and a plot can go with it.

Saw that clip before.... It may have a use if Bobba Fett Delivers the plans....

Everyone who wants to vote, please get me your vote before tomorrow, or tomorrow morning at the latest.  It makes it easier for me to tally on a day when I don't have school or work.

Watched about half the Interactive Game this morning.  Will finish in a bit.  There are actually several lines that potentially could be useful.  When I'm done, I'll put them up.  The video quality is certainly VHS and 4:3, but I honestly think it might be worthwhile to try to expand it for a couple of seconds.  Like I said, Vader walking down the corridor is useful, and there is a point where he's also looking out a viewport.  I imagine someone with the skills and software could easily put it at the right aspect ratio, and if it requires digitally adding scenery, the scenery is bland and repetitive and would simply require duplication.

Ok, so somthing I have noticed whilst messing around with things is that if the edit is DVD Quality then we could use stills or footage from the Blu-Rays and it would help with re-sizing as a Blu-Ray still is higher quality and bigger picture so you can stretch it or manipulate it and keep the quality at DVD....

And this will make killing Bobba fett possible they way I invisage it.

This is a list of everyone invited to vote.  Those in bold have already submitted a vote:

darth_ender 

Bingowings 

Jaitea 

GoodMusician 

Ronster 

Angel 

aalenfae 

Johannus 

emanswfan 

Sluggo 

timdiggerm 

TV’s Frink 

MrInsaneA

fishmanlee

ray_afraid

doubleofive

Vladius

Fettclone1

Kurgan 

DominicCobb

TheoOdo

perfectlovehere

XyZ

Captain Antilles

greenpenguino

ShepardCommander

Harmy

Ric Olie’s puppet master

I'm really hoping for more votes.  I would like to receive them by tomorrow morning, but if we don't get more, I may extend it.  Those who have been active participants or who are involved in the editing team are especially encouraged to vote.

^Strikethrough didn't work, so I changed it to bold.

Harmy said:

You're making your edit DVD quality? Really? Is it even worth all the effort to produce a DVD?

We're aiming for a better story, which means we'll be including a lot of deleted scenes, which means it's probably not worthwhile to aim for BD quality.

darth_ender said:

I'm really hoping for more votes.  I would like to receive them by tomorrow morning, but if we don't get more, I may extend it.  Those who have been active participants or who are involved in the editing team are especially encouraged to vote.

I'm sorry, I've been meaning to vote, but I've been busy. I'll try to cast my opinion by tonight.

EDIT: I just did.

Harmy said:

I thought most, if not all, the ROTJ deleted scenes were in fact HD? My feeling about this sort of thing is that if you're going to put this much effort into something, you should try to make it at least somewhat future-proof. I mean, look at Adywan, he decided to stick with SD for ANH:R and he's already planning to redo it in HD.

To me, 720p is the best compromise, you get the resolution of an average 35mm print, so it should be presentable on pretty much any size of screen, and yet it isn't much more difficult to work with than SD even on slower hardware and you can upscale SD footage to 720p with reasonably good results. I believe these are the same reasons why Ady decided to go with 720p for his projects.

But it's of course completely up to you guys - your project, your rules :-)

Star wars Blu Ray is in 720p perhaps you upscale it to 1080p

Deleted scenes are not as a good quality and need cleaning up and would look better at SD or 720p thats my belief...

but if I am wrong I am wrong... Emansfew will show us what resolution can be achieved to look good for those to be incorporated and keep the same quality throughout.

I watch more dvd's than blu-rays so It does not bother me really.

So I've got round to chopping Bobbas head off tonight.... But I still need to remove Han but yes it is all possible to kill him the way I suggested it because I have done most of it tonight... It's only mock up quality but it is most definatley possible

Oh and I fixed Lukes Kick also for it too.... But I moved the guy being kicked rather than shuffling luke over to the left and had to start all over again... So if anyone wants to do this you need to move luke to the left....

RE : Lando and Han vocally patching things up.

If you trim a bit from his thanks to Luke Han could still claim to owe one to Luke (which I don't get because Han saved Luke twice so technically he's still owed one from Luke but I digress) and he could say, "Thanks for coming after me" to Lando, maybe splicing a mention of his name from elsewhere.

In an ideal situation Han would express his undying gratitude to Luke by shrugging it off but with both of them and the audience knowing what Han really means.

So ideally it would be "You still owe me one kid" and Luke would chuckle to himself.

Harmy said:

I thought most, if not all, the ROTJ deleted scenes were in fact HD? My feeling about this sort of thing is that if you're going to put this much effort into something, you should try to make it at least somewhat future-proof. I mean, look at Adywan, he decided to stick with SD for ANH:R and he's already planning to redo it in HD.

To me, 720p is the best compromise, you get the resolution of an average 35mm print, so it should be presentable on pretty much any size of screen, and yet it isn't much more difficult to work with than SD even on slower hardware and you can upscale SD footage to 720p with reasonably good results. I believe these are the same reasons why Ady decided to go with 720p for his projects.

But it's of course completely up to you guys - your project, your rules :-)

I'm all for future-proofing, but I don't know much of the technical side of things...I'm really more of a stroy-teller/coordinator.  But my understanding was the same as Ronster's  But whatever we are able to achieve as far as upscaling goes, I hope we do it.

And while you so it's our project, I feel we'd all be honored if you joined our ranks.  However, I do know that you are busy with your own project.

Bingowings said:

RE : Lando and Han vocally patching things up.

If you trim a bit from his thanks to Luke Han could still claim to owe one to Luke (which I don't get because Han saved Luke twice so technically he's still owed one from Luke but I digress) and he could say, "Thanks for coming after me" to Lando, maybe splicing a mention of his name from elsewhere.

In an ideal situation Han would express his undying gratitude to Luke by shrugging it off but with both of them and the audience knowing what Han really means.

So ideally it would be "You still owe me one kid" and Luke would chuckle to himself.

In the sandstorm deleted scene, Han thanks Luke, and I think he says, "I owe you one."  I agree with you, it'd probably more in character to say what you suggest, but as it is the more personal version of the exchange, I'd rather use it, and it might be hard to alter his lines in that case since we'd actually see his lips.  Just my opinion.  As for thanking Lando, I think that's perfect.  Splicing Lando's name in there would be a simple solution to redirect the conversation.  I think Lando should respond with something similar to the line in the script, something about bad luck if he let Han remain frozen.

Ronster said:

So I've got round to chopping Bobbas head off tonight.... But I still need to remove Han but yes it is all possible to kill him the way I suggested it because I have done most of it tonight... It's only mock up quality but it is most definatley possible

Oh and I fixed Lukes Kick also for it too.... But I moved the guy being kicked rather than shuffling luke over to the left and had to start all over again... So if anyone wants to do this you need to move luke to the left....

Wow, I'm impressed.  I'm really interested in seeing how this turns out.  Looking forward to your videos.

Bingowings said:

RE : Lando and Han vocally patching things up.

If you trim a bit from his thanks to Luke Han could still claim to owe one to Luke (which I don't get because Han saved Luke twice so technically he's still owed one from Luke but I digress) and he could say, "Thanks for coming after me" to Lando, maybe splicing a mention of his name from elsewhere.

In an ideal situation Han would express his undying gratitude to Luke by shrugging it off but with both of them and the audience knowing what Han really means.

So ideally it would be "You still owe me one kid" and Luke would chuckle to himself.

The audio is unusable in this clip due to the turbines generators blowing sand everywhere.... Thats why I am going to try to visualize luke at the lars homstead with a big haboob rolling in.... blotting out the 2 setting suns.... Using only the footage of luke going to the x-wing it's also where he goes after "Meet you back at the fleet" it will be to the music of binary sunset of course with some wind howling sfx

Theres nothing in this scene that is not said when they are leaving and part ways in the ships

I think it's fine that the audio is unusable.  We've talked many times about dubbing the lines.  The hope is that we can find someone to do a convincing job.  I submitted some little samples of my own vocals, but I don't know what others think about it.  I think I do a fair job at some actors, but definitely not all.  I don't think I included a Lando sample, but I should have.  I have been trying out a few of his lines and feel like I do a decent job.