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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 133

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I agree with Fuser about the music. It sounds a little high in the mix when there is dialogue and stuff. Could just be on the Xvid though, I think converting to that format can sometimes screw with your sound leveling.

One thing that I noticed seemed to be missing from the alterations, though. In your list in the first post you say that the Falcon now goes into hyperspace after the TIE skirmish, but it just flies away from camera and we cut to the Vader/Tarkin scene. Did you forget to modify the shot to show it entering hyperspace, or was it intentionally left out?
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just my addition to arm as it's become design by committee

this my first post of an image
sorry if it doesn't work
all i've done is add some flame coloured burn marks to the sleeve like the glow of a cigarette




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I love the gloving edges! Now if only some would correct the shadows.
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Ok, this whole flipper debate is getting out of hand. making the flipper look more like a hand, by adding a sort of thumb, is going against everything this edit stands for. You can clearly see the shape of his flipper (although its actually moor like a hoof) in the wide shots of Ponda standing at the bar. Changing the shape of the hoof so it looks like he could hold a gun will not be happening in my edit. If i was to do that then i might as well leave in the wolfman hand because both would be incorrect to the actual costume used in filming. There shouldn't even be a gun there in the first place because Ponda never drew his blaster, he was just caught up in the swing of the lightsaber. I'm redoing the texture of the hoof now and should be ready in about 3 days when its dry. Logically a real hand would look better as it is Evazan that is seen drawing his blaster. What i am going to do is films both shots. one of the hoof and one with Evazan's arm and sleeve then put whichever one i think looks best in the final DVD Version and i will put the other as a special feature so it can be edited in to suit peoples taste with ease if they want to do their won version.

As for the shadowing then there are 2 light sources as has been mentioned before. if there was just one coming from the bottom then the shadowing on the original would be wrong. The shadow in NormanS version is almost correct but the shadow is way too long.

The shot of the falcon entering hyperspace after the TIE battle was changed at the last minute. i decided we didn't need to see it going to hyperspace because Vader informs us straight after anyway. i just haven't got around to changing it in the list

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Despite my excitement (and year-plus of anticipation!), I still haven't gotten a chance to sit down and watch this yet. I'm really hoping I can do it tomorrow!

In the meantime, however, I've been reading this thread, and just wanted to add a note to the discussion about the severed arm. In other scenes where a lightsaber cuts through something (especially in the PT), there are burn marks along the cut. I don't mean scorch marks (though those are there, too), but rather, glowing reddish-orange-ish burn marks. You can kind of see what I mean here:

http://theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/aotc/maim_anakin.jpg

Other examples include earlier in that duel, when Dooku cuts Obi-Wan's arm and leg, as well as when Anakin loses his limbs at the end of ROTS (I was looking around the interwebs for images from those scenes, but couldn't seem to find any good ones).

Adding this to the end of the stump might add more of a sense that it was cut off by a lightsaber, along with creating continuity with much of the rest of the series.

Hope this helps!

Take care,
Sojourn

P.S. As I was writing this, I noticed that professa skiving at work beat me to bringing up this point, though I hope I helped elaborate on it a bit -- especially since the effect to which I'm referring looks a little different than a cigarette, though professa skiving at work's version doesn't look too shabby at all.
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Just got back from a busy weekend of working. Downloading the torrent now. So pleased you've managed to finish this Ady! I will try to watch it when I'm away on business this week and I'll write a fully review on my return.

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WOW, thanks Adywan for creating my preferred version of the film, as much as I love the GOUT, you've managed to create the special edition as it should've been done back in 97, but I guess theres always room for a little constructive criticism.

loved the extended death star reveal, but I found the vast planet surface below the death star kind of belittled the enormous scale of the death star compared to the fighters and star destroyer, the planet also looked a bit too much like Alderaan (and Earth) for my liking, it just seemed a little strange when they eventually arrive later at Alderaan to blow it up.

guess I'll join the chorus on the Ponda Boba arm, I think part of the reason why it doesn't quite gel with people even if you got the continuity correct is that the original severed arm with the blood and everything was always a bit of a 'money-shot' especially seeing the film as a kid and growing up with it, and although the bloodless cauterizing effect may be more realistic (even though this is the first of many light -saber related severing of limbs that we got to witness in the original saga and the only one where blood was spilled) the new version just lacks the impact and gruesomeness of the original and looks even more static than the original shot, perhaps you could work in a little severed nerve 'twitch' into the severed arm? and perhaps make the flipper look a bit more streamlined with more of a suggestion of a thumb of sorts , so that it actually looks more credible that the alien could use a gun?
perhaps even give the earlier background shot of Ponda with his fins something that resembles 'thumbs' so as not to throw out continuity,**edit*** took me a while to type this out so forgive that you've already adressed you won't be making it more 'hand-like' ****** but I do like the 'others' suggestions of glowing embers on the stump.

although I'm sure these suggestions are easier said than done. Also it seems in the new audio mix that the human screams of pain are more prominent than Ponda's (I wonder which bit of Dr Evazan Obi-wan managed to slice off in the fight?)

I tend to agree with a previous poster about some of the death star interiors being a little too desaturated to the point where the actors almost appear to look like they've been colourised over black and white footage (although I did look at the GOUT DVD and it looked very similarly monochrome, especially footage of the Falcon after it lands in the docking bay.

not sure about Obi-Wan igniting his saber before Vader ignites his, it just doesn't really seem to be very Jedi-like, it makes him look like he's on the attack rather than the defense, it also makes Vader's 'I've been waiting for you ' line seem out of place, as it almost looks like Obi-wan was waiting for Vader to arrive.

love the way you've sped up the duel and it fits really well with the prequel music used and looks great , but the 'choral' music just seems a little too grand and over the top to fit into the original trilogy, it's especially jarring when the original music swells back in much louder and stronger after Ben dies and luke has his 'Noooooooo' moment as they're scurrying back into the falcon.

love what you've done with the new space battle, adding in all the tie-fighters, but the action and the threat seems to go into a bit of a lull once the fighters begin to make their trench runs ,after it seems the rebels have managed to wipe out all the tie's except for Vader and his two wingmen, perhaps if there was a bit more to suggest that dogfights were still happening up above whilst the Y-wing's made their trench run?

after the spectacular job you did with the Alderaan explosion, the destruction of the Death star does tend to pale in comparison and is a little anti-climactic, perhaps the 'praxis ring' effect would have been better saved for the death star explosion rather than Alderaan?
and I can't help thinking that seeing the five beams from the Death Star cannon intersect should have resulted in the Death star firing off a fairly damaging laser-bolt towards the Yavin moon (not a planet destroyer but still would've been fairly devastating) in that split second before the Death Star exploded. maybe if we just saw the five green points of light appear around the dish a split second before the explosion?

I know it sounds that i've picked up on a few things in your edit, but they're really only minor niggles in an otherwise brilliant Revision.
I'm still amazed how you managed to make a 1.6 gig AVI look as crisp as the 2004 DVD's , can't wait for the DVR-5 version!
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I'll echo that - the Xvid coding looked absolutely astounding on my 32" HD set: fantastic job on that!
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Re: Ponda's severed hand / hoof / claw / hand / whatever, Wouldn't it simply be more appropriate to remove the gun from the shot?
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not sure about Obi-Wan igniting his saber before Vader ignites his, it just doesn't really seem to be very Jedi-like, it makes him look like he's on the attack rather than the defense, it also makes Vader's 'I've been waiting for you ' line seem out of place, as it almost looks like Obi-wan was waiting for Vader to arrive.


It doesn't make him look like on the offence, just prepared, because he know what Anakin has become. Vader walks to Obi-Wan and attacks! I don't think Obi-Wan was waiting for Vader, but I'm almost sure he knew that it might happen.
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When all is said and done, we are discussing Adywan's edit and the changes he wanted to make. Along the way, he consulted us and told us what would be changeable and the things he wouldn't change so why are we making such a massive deal out of the hand? Yes, it's not the perfect shot - even Ady's said it doesn't look quite right due to lighting, but it is there as something that now technically fits even if it jars against everyone's collective memory. If someone wants to perfect the shot, rather than railing against a guy who pretty much has ignited everyone's imagination again, why don't they use Ady's version as a baseline and make improvements on it to their vision?

The movie's been locked and bar some typo corrections, I think the movie has been improved no end due to the changes. One little detail and everyone seems to have ignored the fact that bar this 2 second shot, the rest of the movie flows better and is what the special edition should have been back in 1997. I've seen some bits which might need some work to make it more perfect, but when you're looking at the overall picture, it can't get much more perfect than it is now. Any more work and I'd reckon you might as well scrap it and turn it all CGI...then we'd be into GL territory. Is the picture over de-saturated? It could be the XVID that is causing this...I'm willing to wait for the proper DVD before I make any more judgements.

Constructive criticism is one thing but the sort of criticism being dealt out over the flipper/hand debate is getting too much. Ady has worked pretty much non-stop for 18 months to bring his vision of Star Wars to us. That's longer than the original movie had to shoot and release in. Cut the man some slack here...for someone who probably didn't know a great deal about special effects when he started, he sure knows a heck of a lot more than a lot of us do now!

Roll on the DVD...I, for one, am looking forward to the full experience when it arrives. Yeah, this post seems a bit sucky to Ady, but changing the hand to a flipper...it's hardly the same crime as making Greedo shoot first now, is it?
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You're right - its not a big deal, but we're all detail obsessives on here - thats why we are here in the first place! Most people just dont care about this sort of thing which is fair enough. No-one has been rude or insulting about it: just a detailed discussion about what we think it could be. that's why it is taking up so many posts.
But I'll say this - the fact that the flipper is pretty much the only thing that has been brought up (personal preferences on saturation/music/edits aside) is an astounding testament to everything Ady got right. Hell - if we were to list everything he got right we'd be here all year!!

Now please. Someone. where is George????
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Everyone,

I'll probably get flamed for this, but this nitpicking after Ady has put three years of his life into this edit is kinda shameful. He's gone above and beyond every step of the way and when I watched the XVID, I wasn't watching for mistakes - rather, I was breathing a sigh of relief at the number of Lucas' mistakes that are no longer there.

Given that Ady only had a specific amount of footage to work with and manipulate and was working within very tight creative confines with only so many elements to draw from, the result is nothing short of phenomenal. Imagine if you had spent three years working on something, taking everyone's suggestions all along the way - up to and including showing people the Yavin battle and whatnot in advance to give them a chance to comment before the final picture lock - only to have everyone come back after it's finally done with all of these criticisms and debates.

I for one am grateful someone was willing to do what I personally cannot. The mistakes aren't Ady's - their Lucas' for failing to make this right in the first place.

If you think you can do better, then by all means edit it yourself - but play fair and edit it from scratch, from the original 2004 DVD as Ady did, and then we'll be happy to compare notes and see if you can match or better Ady's results.

nohandluke
"I turned it off! I don't wanna talk to her!"
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criticism aside, I'm extremely grateful that Adywan has created the definitive version of Episode 4 as far as I'm concerned this will be the version of the film that I choose to watch from now on, but how many of us would be on this forum if we weren't a little bit anal about one of our alltime favourite films? We would have just taken what George gave us in 2004 and been happy with it.

you're never gonna please all of the people all of the time, but I think Adywan has come closer to pleasing everyone 100% than anyone else has before. and If I was to list all of the things I loved about his revision then we'd be here for weeks.

it'd just be a real shame to all his hard work if someone used his edit and just added that last bit of icing to the cake and made the 'flipper' work.
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Hey! Didnt I just say that?


But yes - after several pages of 'flipper' debate its probably appropriate to re-iterate (wow - what a lot of long words) how grateful I am to you Ady for what you've done. Seriously, watching your edit was an emotional experience in so many ways and I havent stopped thinking about it since.

My wife thinks I'm very very sad.
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in fairness enough has been said on the severed arm shot
it's going to be changed - there's nothing left to say except let's wait and see
i agree with some constuctive criticisms of the edit, but i think once they've been mentioned let's not keep rehashing them over and over
i know this may seem hypocritical given the picture i posted a few minutes ago
- but my point was highlighting something that could be added given ady's already said he's redoing the shot, not a rehash of other people's objections to the flipper/han/thumb/gun/shadows

let's keep it fresh!

skive hard, play hard
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ps Sojourn
that wasn't a dig at you
it also takes me a while to write some messages
and i frequently get beaten to it
skive hard, play hard
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Rick McCallum is spelled wrong at least once in the credits, he has two C's in his name, not one.

Where is George Lucas? First half or last half of the movie?????
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Originally posted by: adywan
What i am going to do is films both shots. one of the hoof and one with Evazan's arm and sleeve then put whichever one i think looks best in the final DVD Version and i will put the other as a special feature so it can be edited in to suit peoples taste with ease if they want to do their won version.


How about a seamless branching option? Just a thought. The menu could offer the Ponda Boba version or the Dr. Evazan version. I mean... if you're doing both shots anyway.

Ron Moses

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Hey guys, ady has done a great work, he spent a lot of time to achieve this..don't forget that he 's not working on ILM
he learnt all the tools for fx editing etc..and it's a hard work..not simply for the amount but to take time to do it (by my humble experience)...his edit (with the DE and ADM) is far the most complete about fan's wishes for The 97'SE...
adywan concentrate on the dvd version..and after that it's free to everyone to tweak it if he want ..




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Adywan - not watched the edit yet, but just wanted to say congratulations on reaching a release, and many thanks for sharing it with us.

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I have question about the credits too, was Sir Alec Guiness always credited simply as 'Alec Guiness' upon the films original release?
I have no idea when he was 'knighted'and i don't think I'd ever really noticed it before , but it just feels strange seeing him credited without his regal title ****and i'm not suggesting to change it if it was never that way originally, it just feels odd to see him mentioned without his title, I think I've always known him as Sir Alec Guiness, almost as if 'Sir' was his real first name****
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I hate to bring this up again. After reading adywans reply, I felt I should totally remove any indication to the thumb and I have gone back to my original reference, I have also changed the light direction as he suggested. I'm done now. I won't do the smoke, as it's too time consuming, and I don't even know if my work is going anywhere (I will do whatever is needed, if ady asks me to). If anyone is ever going to do their own edit and want my CG flipper hand in, just let me know. It would be cool if ady wanted my CG flipper, but that's up to him. We still have to see his new version!

Anyway, this is hopefully the last post regarding pondababa's hand that you will hear from me.

EDIT: Oops! adywan just posted the new flipper hand!

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9286/newhandcomparison3mn2.jpg
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