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So since there is further interest in my language learning here's the thread about it!

So this is basically a goal I've set in my life that may or may not be accomplished but even if I just get to intermediate level in several of them I'll be happy with that. So beyond ASL I'm very much below an advanced level. That's not to say I don't have further things to learn in ASL but I know enough to follow random ASL vids I've seen on the internet. Generally I just need to pay attention to understand. Anyways here's a list of some of the languages I plan to learn.

Hebrew
German
Avestan
Russian
French
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Chinese Mandarin
Chinese Cantonese
Irish Gaelic
Welsh
Thai
Latin
Klingon
Elvish(well if there is an entire language to learn from that)
Portuguese (Brazilian and Portugal)
Greek
Esperanto
Turkish
Eskimo
Konkani
Sanskrit
Arabic
Multani
Persian
Manx
Uriya
Icelandic


As an aside I've also memorized the majority of Narn and some bits of Minbari in Babylon 5. Centauri and Vorlon is just random text so nothing worth memorizing there. But yeah something like "Neh" is "no" in Minbari. "Nefreek" is "mindwalker" or telepath in Narn. They're not complete languages but I tended to remember those terms nonetheless.

Oh yeah and I can recognize some of morse code too.

As for why I'm doing this? Well, I just want to is all. Though with Russian I have a separate motive. It annoys me that I don't fully understand Russian. I can read it now(mostly) but yeah my small vocab annoys me. Until that annoyance goes away I won't stop learning it.

So yeah thread made. Questions, comments?

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Which languages do you know now and how well?

How are you going about learning them?

The blue elephant in the room.

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Once again, I applaud your ambition and your determination, and I humbly offer my help. Feel free to PM me.

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Mrebo said:

Which languages do you know now and how well?

I primarily feel comfortable saying I know ASL. Beyond that I know how to read a lot the languages listed. As in sound out what the sounds are.

Though Kanji and subsequently Chinese is most difficult to read as there's lots of 'em. Also there's multiple readings for each. It's also deceptive for Japanese to list one of the readings as the "chinese reading" when Japanese isn't a language where you have to worry about tones. So even if that's true for some of the characters you still got to remember the tone for each in Chinese. I think it's better to just think of that reading as another Japanese reading. Helps keep things sorted in my head anyway. I also don't give a damn about trying to remember which reading is the "onyomi" or the "kunyomi" or which one means "chinese reading". Too much crap to worry about in my opinion. I just do my best to try to remember the sounds in relation to that specific Kanji.

As for ability. Well here's a quick list.
ASL - My second language
Spanish - Italian - French - Portuguese - Kind of vary how much I understand from each. I'm at the point where I understand more than I can speak. I just need to put in more effort until I feel confident enough to say I know these languages.
Japanese - I know a fair amount of Japanese. Though my vocab is small. I can read Katakana and Hiragana. Still working on Kanji but I can recognize over 100. I stopped counting as it made it easier to just not worry about the number of Kanji I know.
Korean - I can read all of it already but my vocab is very small. I know some basics. But I can't easily type it I have my computer's IME set up for Korean already, I just need to practice it. Just FYI romanizations of Korean words are a real hindrance. If you're thinking of learning Korean learn how to read it first. Romanizations will hold you back.
Hebrew - I can read it but with difficulty. My vocab is pretty small. Most of what I know are the blessings and some conversational stuff.
Russian - I can read it mostly. Vocab small.
Chinese - Barely read it. Small Vocab.

Beyond this it's either really basic stuff or I haven't put enough effort into it to know more yet.

How are you going about learning them?
I wish I could say that I had some kind of grand master plan. I tried to make plan after plan after plan to learn all of them. They all got burned for one reason or another. Basically I change what I'm going to do based on the week. I either watch language vids on YT(and other sites), read books, write stuff, think about how to describe stuff in other languages every day. I also watch entertainment in other languages. Such as City Hunter which is a Korean Drama. The amount I do each day and if I watch some stuff varies depending on the day.

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I also admire your ambition and determination. It's great that you forge ahead anyway possible. Best way to accomplish anything. I keep falling off the wagon for Russian. When I've worked with people from Mexico and South America, I get passionate about learning their languages but then it's hard to keep with it. And I continue to regret not advancing and perfecting French. Maybe starting with bigger goals is a wise thing. And I like that I had to google several of those languages.

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Mrebo said: And I continue to regret not advancing and perfecting French.

It seems like you've fallen into a trap of thinking one can "perfect" a language. Frankly languages aren't "perfect" by any means. Hell the word "perfect" has lost it's initial meaning used superfluously to get across a meaning of "really good". I see it all the damn time on Tumblr.
*actor speaks a couple of lines in another language in an interview*
Random Tumblr person: "OMG! You are so perf!"
"Nobody's perf-"
*pic of someone or something implying they are perfect. I've seen this done with a pic of pizza*

So really the mythical "perfecting a language" isn't something you should beat yourself over. Rather just try again to learn it like a skill. Now and days it's not even going to cost you anymore money then you use to access this message board. Here free links for you:

French phrases books
French colloquial books
French learning books
Youtube video lessons

Free ways to learn the language. With the book links just click "read" next to the description. Don't have to pay anything. As for motivation or finding time to learn it this video helped me a little bit so maybe it could help you too. :-)

Un poco è maggiore che niente.
A little bit is better than nothing.

Even if all you did was read 2 pages a day that'd build up and you'd end up learning a lot of the language over a year. Hell I watch Chuck with the french subs on and it's allowed me to remember a whole bunch of things in the French language.

dans le voiture
espionne
Another sort of odd example is that "Comic Con" was translated as "D.B. Ensemble" I think so anyway. I only read it once so I could be totally misremembering it but whatever. I'll simply watch that scene again later to see if I was right.



Leonardo said:Once again, I applaud your ambition and your determination, and I humbly offer my help. Feel free to PM me.

Tì ringràzio! So I was thinking about what to PM you but I felt my question would benefit others here too. Do you know of any interesting Italian shows or movies I may not be aware of?

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As an aside got restarted on Klingon. I had dabbled in learning Klingon several years ago but wasn't able to follow through with it. Anyways got some words in my head that I didn't know before like "yIH bom" - tribbles song.

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twister111 said:

 

Un poco è maggiore che niente.

A little bit is better than nothing.

Allow me to correct you on that:

"Un po' [un pochettino] è meglio di niente."

 

Leonardo said:

Once again, I applaud your ambition and your determination, and I humbly offer my help. Feel free to PM me.

 

Tì ringràzio! So I was thinking about what to PM you but I felt my question would benefit others here too. Do you know of any interesting Italian shows or movies I may not be aware of?

 

Ehhh.... Tv in Italy is comprised of 85-90% American (or British) shows dubbed in italian. What's produced locally is utter crap IMHO. Movies might be a good bet, but here's what I thought:

you've heard about the Rosetta Stone, the ancient piece of rock that had writing in Greek and Egyptian hieroglyphs, haven't you? Historians were able to understand the hieroglyphs because they had the Greek text as a reference. Now, I think this is a good method to learn another language: use something you already know, say like the Bible, as a reference to understand it.

Since we're on a Star Wars forum and all, I think it might be a good idea to use the Star Wars movies to learn a foreign language! What do you think? :)

As for what to PM me about, I was willing to make short youtube videos to demonstrate correct pronunciation, grammar and so on. In fact, I have an idea. Let me get my mic.

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Leonardo said:

twister111 said:Un poco è maggiore che niente.

A little bit is better than nothing.
Allow me to correct you on that:

"Un po' [un pochettino] è meglio di niente." 
[/quote]Grazie mille!

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Once again, I applaud your ambition and your determination, and I humbly offer my help. Feel free to PM me.
Tì ringràzio! So I was thinking about what to PM you but I felt my question would benefit others here too. Do you know of any interesting Italian shows or movies I may not be aware of?

Ehhh.... Tv in Italy is comprised of 85-90% American (or British) shows dubbed in italian. What's produced locally is utter crap IMHO. Movies might be a good bet,
Ah, I was afraid of that. Got the same opinion on twitter. The movie I got recommended was "la vita è bella". I watched it once after that.

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but here's what I thought:

you've heard about the Rosetta Stone, the ancient piece of rock that had writing in Greek and Egyptian hieroglyphs, haven't you? Historians were able to understand the hieroglyphs because they had the Greek text as a reference. Now, I think this is a good method to learn another language: use something you already know, say like the Bible, as a reference to understand it.

Since we're on a Star Wars forum and all, I think it might be a good idea to use the Star Wars movies to learn a foreign language! What do you think? :)
It's something that I've been doing with other languages and other shows/movies already. Though none of my DVDs/Blu-rays have Italian as an option for the audio/subs. Curiously though a couple of them have it as an option for the menus. Recently though I have found a site with Italian subs on tv shows. I'm going to go watch Arrow like that.

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As for what to PM me about, I was willing to make short youtube videos to demonstrate correct pronunciation, grammar and so on. In fact, I have an idea. Let me get my mic.
Had no idea you were going to do that. Ironically I'm not sure what to say other than thank you!

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So, got lazy with my language stuff today due to needing to take care of other things. Yesterday though, I got some Klingon, Japanese, and French learning done. I'm going to dedicate an hour and a half to Italian likely in a few hours. Oh yeah and I've started to write some posts on my tumblr in other languages.
Here's one
Here's another

Pretty simple stuff thus far but, I'll get to posting longer ones later.

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Leonardo said:

twister111 said:Un poco è maggiore che niente.

A little bit is better than nothing.
Allow me to correct you on that:

"Un po' [un pochettino] è meglio di niente." 
Grazie mille!

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Once again, I applaud your ambition and your determination, and I humbly offer my help. Feel free to PM me.
Tì ringràzio! So I was thinking about what to PM you but I felt my question would benefit others here too. Do you know of any interesting Italian shows or movies I may not be aware of?

Ehhh.... Tv in Italy is comprised of 85-90% American (or British) shows dubbed in italian. What's produced locally is utter crap IMHO. Movies might be a good bet,
Ah, I was afraid of that. Got the same opinion on twitter. The movie I got recommended was "la vita è bella". I watched it once after that.

Ugh, I haven't seen that movie in years, mainly because after that, my opinion towards Roberto Benigni radically changed. I now think he's an annoying, pretentious prat (based on what I hear him say on tv).
I can still watch, and find funny, some of his earlier films, like "Johnny Stecchino", "The Monster", and "Nothing Left to Do But Cry".

 

It's something that I've been doing with other languages and other shows/movies already. Though none of my DVDs/Blu-rays have Italian as an option for the audio/subs. Curiously though a couple of them have it as an option for the menus. Recently though I have found a site with Italian subs on tv shows. I'm going to go watch Arrow like that.

Yeah, if you mean DVDs bought in the USA, I'll bet it will be next to impossible finding language tracks other than English and Spanish on them. Either look for torrents with the "ITA" tag (though with most movies you'll have to look for the translated title), or just look for regular DVDs on Amazon.it or similar sites.

 

Had no idea you were going to do that. Ironically I'm not sure what to say other than thank you!

Non c'è di che. Hai un PM.

 

Come stai di oggi?

The correct form would be:

Come stai oggi?

or

Come state oggi? (in case you meant 2nd person plural).

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Leonardo said:Ugh, I haven't seen that movie in years, mainly because after that, my opinion towards Roberto Benigni radically changed. I now think he's an annoying, pretentious prat (based on what I hear him say on tv).
I can still watch, and find funny, some of his earlier films, like "Johnny Stecchino", "The Monster", and "Nothing Left to Do But Cry".
I'll see what I can do about seeing those other films then. :-)


Leonardo said:Yeah, if you mean DVDs bought in the USA, I'll bet it will be next to impossible finding language tracks other than English and Spanish on them. Either look for torrents with the "ITA" tag (though with most movies you'll have to look for the translated title), or just look for regular DVDs on Amazon.it or similar sites. 
Actually there's a surprising bit of language variety amongst my official DVD/Blu-ray collection. Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Russian, French, Portuguese, and German language audio/subs. Aside from the obvious Spanish. Though absolutely no Italian aside from menus and the ending warning thing translated into it. Hell, before I started this quest, I've probably only been exposed to maybe 9 sentences of Italian. Maybe 9. Probably less. Well that is if you don't count the tweets I had on my twitter feed, which I mainly glanced over until I decided to pay more attention.

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<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17.25px;">Come stai di oggi?</span></span>


<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17.25px;">The correct form would be:</span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17.25px;">Come stai oggi?</span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17.25px;">or</span></span>

<span style="font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, 'sans serif'; color: #ffffff;"><span style="line-height: 17.25px;">Come state oggi? (in case you meant 2nd person plural).</span></span>
Simple text editor fucked this up... Anyways damn I was so confident about that one. Ah well, mistake, I just gotta remember the correct one and move on. :-)


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Had no idea you were going to do that. Ironically I'm not sure what to say other than thank you!


Non c'è di che. Hai un PM. 

Saw it, wow ()_(). Wasn't expecting that. I would've commented last night but I fell asleep in the middle of what was going to be my hour or so dedicated to Italian. Which also prevented me from giving 20min to learning more Russian. Sleep!!! You're hampering my quest!!!!!!!!

Anyways I'm going to make some more posts in other languages in a little bit on my Tumblr and queue them.

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I can still watch, and find funny, some of his earlier films, like "Johnny Stecchino", "The Monster", and "Nothing Left to Do But Cry".

I'll see what I can do about seeing those other films then. :-)

I would recommend those films if I could vouch for the validity of their respective subtitles. I wouldn't recommend "Johnny Stecchino" at all, though, it contains mostly sicilian, and wouldn't be of much help to you in learning italian.

I'll be going over the movies I know and see what I can recommend. It's all down to the availability of decent subtitles. Most I've seen are sketchy and sometimes inaccurate.

 

Hell, before I started this quest, I've probably only been exposed to maybe 9 sentences of Italian. Maybe 9. Probably less. Well that is if you don't count the tweets I had on my twitter feed, which I mainly glanced over until I decided to pay more attention.

9 ? Blimey, you've come a long way since then.

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Leonardo said:

I would recommend those films if I could vouch for the validity of their respective subtitles. I wouldn't recommend "Johnny Stecchino" at all, though, it contains mostly sicilian, and wouldn't be of much help to you in learning italian.

I'll be going over the movies I know and see what I can recommend. It's all down to the availability of decent subtitles. Most I've seen are sketchy and sometimes inaccurate. 
Reminds me how I stumbled upon a french translated episode of Power Rangers a few years back. The episode title in English is "Best man for the job" in french it was "La femme president"(Female President). Okay I give credit to the translator for actually watching the episode but they're doing their job entirely wrong. It's like translating "Star Wars" into "Luke blows up the Death Star". Also recently watched an episode of Chuck with the french subs. OMG when Casey said "a new girl" the subs had "autre fiancée" or another fiancee. Okay by the dialog given "another undercover girlfriend" was implied but dammit it's not like Casey was implying that the new girl would marry him. Something like "autre copine"(another girlfriend) or "nouveau un femme"(a new woman) would've been better I think.

Leonardo said:

Hell, before I started this quest, I've probably only been exposed to maybe 9 sentences of Italian. Maybe 9. Probably less. Well that is if you don't count the tweets I had on my twitter feed, which I mainly glanced over until I decided to pay more attention.
9 ? Blimey, you've come a long way since then.

Sì. Mio maggiore esposizione un scena in "Switched at Birth". Before I remembered that scene I thought it had been absolutely zero. Then I remembered that a couple of movies I had seen had used "Ciao" and possibly some other basic Italian phrases. So I upped that possible number to 9.

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So recently I've gotten sick. Consequently I don't feel too much like talking so it makes my quest harder. When I say some of the words aloud it seems to stick better than just repeating it in my head. So yeah at the moment it's more difficult. What also makes my quest harder is that whatever deal Google books had to display a lot of the language books I was using expired. There's still plenty of books there but some of them are no longer available for free viewing. Lesson learned now I'm focusing on downloading what I can from there and then sorting out which ones to use afterwards. It sucks because I was going to put a plan into action to accelerate my language learning. Now I have to refocus on acquiring resources again. But whatever the quest simply got harder is all. That's okay.

Ho non preoccuparsi. Io sto continuare con mi ricerca.
I don't care. I'm still continuing with my quest.

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I don't care. I'm still continuing with my quest.

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"Non mi importa. Continuo ancora con la mia missione."

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Mrebo said: And I continue to regret not advancing and perfecting French.


It seems like you've fallen into a trap of thinking one can "perfect" a language. Frankly languages aren't "perfect" by any means. Hell the word "perfect" has lost it's initial meaning used superfluously to get across a meaning of "really good". I see it all the damn time on Tumblr.

*actor speaks a couple of lines in another language in an interview*

Random Tumblr person: "OMG! You are so perf!"

"Nobody's perf-"

*pic of someone or something implying they are perfect. I've seen this done with a pic of pizza*

Oh, no, I just mean improving, attaining fluency. The dedication is important. Most impressive when you don't have people to speak all these languages with :)

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Mrebo said:

Oh, no, I just mean improving, attaining fluency. The dedication is important. Most impressive when you don't have people to speak all these languages with :)
Well thank you :-) Still it's just that you need to apply a little bit of effort. There's a lot of information out there now and days for this task literally at a person's fingertips.

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twister111 said:
I don't care. I'm still continuing with my quest.

"Non mi importa. Continuo ancora con la mia missione."
La ringrazio! Your corrections are most appreciated!

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So it seems that whatever happened to make google stop displaying those books was temporary. . . YAY!!!!!!! They seem to be in the process of adding those books again for viewing. I'm also almost recovered from my aforementioned sickness! :D

Anyways I've gotten what I think is a sufficient amount a material from the free google books. Eventually I may have to pay for Elvish and Klingon material if I want to achieve a high level in those languages. So I'm starting to use my plan with Italian.
Sarà avrò Italiano di meglio dopo questo settimana perchè plan di mia!

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So,..... the past two days I didn't do much on accomplishing my quest. I was just too tired and was caught up in other stuff so I only spent 10 - 15 minutes on it. Not really enough but it's at least something. Anyways can only move forward now. I just wanted to write this here because I know you guys are interested in this.

So yeah, forward march with my quest!

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I still haven't grasped the task of speaking English as yet, but i can do accents, in my native language, which also happens to be English. But for some reason i can also swear in French, Polish, German and American.

I get confused just with the two voices in my head. Hats off to you tittytwister in your quest!

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Leonardo said:

twister111 said:
I don't care. I'm still continuing with my quest.

"Non mi importa. Continuo ancora con la mia missione."
La ringrazio! 
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That was good, but allow me to introduce you to the wonderful world of: 

 

Formal and Informal Forms of Speech 

http://www.locuta.com/eforme.html

 

Careful, QuickTime might initialize several audio clips all at once.

This portal what I just found might just be up your alley. :)

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So... I had this plan going, I was going to read over 300 pages a day. I was going to generate at least 200 sentences in the various languages I want to learn. Plan went to trash when I ended up getting exhausted. So today I'm going to put together a more efficient plan to get all the languages I want into my head.

As an aside I looked more into Elvish... There's three dialects of it. I don't know if I want to learn all three of them or not.

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But for some reason i can also swear in French, Polish, German and American.
Hehe, reminds me of what I can say in Sign language that looks completely innocent to the uninformed.

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I get confused just with the two voices in my head. Hats off to you tittytwister in your quest!
Thank you! I've got a pretty effective way to avoid confusion in the various languages. So I won't confuse the Minbari "Ne" for the Korean "Ne" or even "Ne" in Italian.

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That was good, but allow me to introduce you to the wonderful world of:


Formal and Informal Forms of Speech
Sì, ho bisogna continuare su questo di lavorare. Inoltre grazie mille per il sito!

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What, no Albanian?

How are you going to eavesdrop on C3PX and me now?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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So because I'm not making the kind of progress I want on this quest I'm going to try to focus on it more. In order to do that I'll be taking a three week break from posting on threads here. As explained here I'll still be open for communication via PM I just won't be posting/browsing the threads. I'll be checking my PM inbox every other day. So if you got something to ask me do it via PM and I'll get to it in a day or two.

From this moment I'm giving myself about 30 minutes left to post a few more posts. I had intended to post more between my announcement that I was taking a break and now. I just didn't do it because of several factors. So I'm sorry for that. My fault and I'll try to post a lot more when I return.

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I doubt I'll get far, since I don't have enough specific goals, but I also want to learn the following languages:

French (I can have a simple conversation and read a bit.)

Spanish

Latin (I know some basic vocabulary as well as the conjugations of two verb families and I can decline all five declensions.)

Hebrew

Greek

Arabic (I know the alphabet, but that's it.)

German

My proficiency in French will drastically increase this year, because my family is moving to Quebec for a year. We're leaving in late July to early August and will live in Ste. Foy, which is a suburb of Quebec City. I'll be going to school there, rather than homeschooling as I am now, to get the full experience. I don't expect to become fluent, but hopefully I'll get at least a decent grasp of the language.