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#1292226
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Okay, here are my notes on the Starkiller Infiltration sequence. Yes, I know that you have indicated that audio is not completed, but I’ve included some comments about what needs to be changed there as well.

  1. First shot of Rey trying to escape the restraints has repeated audio: her breathing and struggling sound the exact same just a second apart from each other.

  2. In the original, when Finn has Phasma lower the shields, he says, “You want me to blast that bucket of your head? Lower the shields.” While I don’t think the first part of that line is necessary, the second part is a good reminder to the audience of what we’re doing here. I really think you should consider keeping that second part of the line in.

There is a shot where Phasma’s helmet blocks Finn’s face as the camera pans across her — maybe you could have him speak the line just as the camera blocks his face with Phasma’s helmet? Like this:

“Lower the shields”
“You’re making a big mistake.”
“Do it.”

  1. I really preferred when the alarm wasn’t silent. When Phasma stands up and says, “You can’t be so stupid as to think this will be easy,” the klaxon should start going off. (I think you did this in one of your earlier edits.) Otherwise, it seems confusing to me about why it randomly starts going off moments later. Like, did they get caught? Maybe there should be a different alarm sound that just goes off on the console Phasma was working on? And then the full klaxon goes off? I don’t know.

  2. I liked that you got Rid of Finn’s joke line about Han’s nodding his head to point toward Rey. It was just a little too much attempt at humor and it fell flat.

  3. The Kylo on the Falcon sequence looks good. The audio during the cockpit sequence is great. It would be cool if there was some way to animate some small moving dots representing ships in the distance, but the flashes of lights on the clouds might do it.

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#1291508
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Absolutely gorgeous work.

This is the best version you’ve put together, and I really do not have much to say about it — which is a good thing. Here are my notes:

  • The ocean/beach sound effect has a loud bird chirping that I found a little annoying and distracting. Could you use a different take? I’m not opposed to the occasional bird sound (it is an island, after all). The bird sound effects when she wakes up is fine. But this one bird in particular on the ocean/waves crashing sound effect is chirping a little too often and a little too loud. It’s coming from the left channel and you can hear it even on the far away shot of the island. On a separate note, if you wanted, I would be okay with a distant porg sound effect once or twice to better connect it to to TLJ.

  • The sound effect when the light fades onto Rey’s face and she wakes up is perfect. I don’t know what that is — some sort of mysterious scraping sound — but whatever it is, it’s great.

  • I like that you can hear C-3P0 distantly saying “general” before it shows Leia.

  • The white bloom effect and blur that reveals Luke is great. The fade to white at the end is really a great touch.

  • Can you turn up the volume just a little bit on the Force theme that plays when Rey is holding out the lightsaber? I think it’s just a tad too quiet compared to the swelling music that plays immediately after.

  • Interesting choice to remove Rey calling Finn her “friend” when she says thank you. I’m not complaining. I actually think this is a good decision, as I always thought it sounded a little unnatural.

It’s looking really, really good. I watched this like 20 times, haha.

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#1289830
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Welcome back, Nev. Good luck with the move into the house and looking forward to seeing your work again.

NeverarGreat said:
There was a bit of a lull in work today though, so I tinkered around a bit (more work on the Starkiller firing) and took another stab at parallel editing the Luke dream with full dream filters:

I think parallel editing is definitely the way to go here for the maximum benefit of the music.

First of all, I absolutely agree with you that the parallel editing is the way to go. It is far more polished makes the build up with the crescendo in the music much better than in the sequential version. Some may disagree with me here, but it looks super slick.

Secondly, a few notes…

  1. When Rey wakes up, I think we need to see a shot of the island from afar — maybe the ocean shots from The Last Jedi trailer? My thoughts here are that, in the current state, we see Rey wake up, but don’t have any indication that she ISN’T still on D’Qar. For all the audience knows, she was sleeping in a room with stone-lined walls to begin with at the Resistance base. So then it’s a little confusing if someone doesn’t notice the “dream effect.” Bottom line: can you fit an island shot in there, just as she wakes up and just before R2-D2 wakes up?

  2. I compared this most recent edit with your previous take and I noticed you swapped the position of the scenes where C-3P0 says, “R2 has some much-needed good news.” Just my opinion, but I think the original placement was better. With the new position, Leia says “Tell me” just before we see Luke for the first time and I think it distracts from his reveal. Maybe you could put that scene just after the really wide / faraway shot of Rey climbing up the mountain?

  3. I wish there was more music here to fit more shots in. Are you open to repeating the first couple verses of The Jedi Steps to fit in more? Like, I think it’s important that we see the map piece from BB-8 be hooked up to match the map that R2-D2 is showing. If you had just a few more seconds, I think it could be done. Any chance you might be willing to consider repeating the first ~10-15 seconds of the song? Or maybe you could use some of the extended version of the song from the suite?

As always, great work. Hope to see you again soon.

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#1285514
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Really, really great work on the Starkiller firing scene.

One thing I think I missed though: you no longer have Hux yelling, “Fire!”

I think that makes it a little more powerful, specifically when that female First Order agent turns to face the camera. If he yelled it right then, I think it would be as though she is listening to his orders.

Also, it’s just a little scarier when that happens.

Or maybe not.

One more thing: it definitely needs some audio work (which I’m sure you’re aware). Missing some explosions and X-Wing sounds.

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#1282436
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

NeverarGreat said:

I guess the question becomes, which version of the edit has more promise? The sequential edit might lose the saber entirely as well as the Leia scene while also raising the question of where Rey is after the dream, whereas the parallel edit could keep these things while maybe not being the most intuitive from the outset.

The parallel edit looks so much more polished than the sequential version does. The sequential version feels very rushed because it has to fit the music.

Add the “dream effects” to the dream sequences for the parallel version and it’ll be more apparent. I absolutely prefer the parallel version. Also, I noticed you don’t have the faraway shot of the island in the parallel version (while you do have it in the sequential version).

I’ve mentioned this before: you can always do multiple versions of the same fanedit. Just duplicate your project file. Yes, it’s a little more to maintain, but there will never be one “100% right” version.

That said, your parallel version is so much more slick, in my opinion. Just make the dream clips easier to identify as dream clips.

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#1282428
Topic
A New Hope - Reimagined
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

ziggyonice said:

The main thing I want to see is the theme from The Imperial March playing only ONE time: when Vader walks though the door onto the Tantive IV.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1zzzRXwP64

Except with a more mellow version of the Imperial March. This one is WAY too punchy.

Best example of this I’ve seen, and one I’m 100% in favor of: https://player.vimeo.com/video/225892219

I’m saving this for a future edit if it doesn’t happen here. Absolutely best rendition I’ve seen of this idea.

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#1281551
Topic
SC.38 - Forceghostrecon's Cut
Time

It is incredibly embarrassing to the fanedit community that there are SO MANY PEOPLE on this site absolutely trashing a fan’s work.

They made this for fun. They didn’t make it for YOU. If someone wants to integrate it into their fanedit, who are you to complain? Is it your fanedit? No, it isn’t.

Personally, I think a project like this one is freaking awesome to see come to light. It puts a new spin on an old battle, it makes it exciting and modern, and some people are going to LOVE it.

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#1280769
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

NeverarGreat said:

In the latest version of the dream sequence I’ve significantly slowed the first handful of shots to achieve a similar effect. I think that plus the different TLJ aesthetic gives an otherworldly feel to the scene. I’ve also done away with Finn being medic-ed and shifted some shots for the finale to cover the weird transition from the Falcon in the clouds to it flying past the rings.

https://vimeo.com/335299081

Password: fanedit

I’ll admit, you may have sold me. The transition from Rey sleeping to her waking up is beautiful and the Jedi Steps makes this “dream” feel very mysterious.

The only nitpick I had was this rendition is that I felt like it would be more powerful — maybe — if Leia saying “Luke” while looking at the map happened BEFORE he turns around and faces Rey. I feel like we need more time on Luke’s face.

EDIT: On another watch, I don’t know if this is necessary. Maybe just to try it.

Other than that, I liked it. Really interesting idea.

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#1280768
Topic
SC.38 - Forceghostrecon's Cut
Time

This is MUCH better.

With that said, my only real gripe is with some of the shots of Obi-Wan talking. They’re pretty obviously rotoscoped. They’re not a bad attempt, but they stand out compared to the rest of the shots.

Overall, I would hope to see a fanedit include at least some of these shots as it does greatly improve the battle, especially for a modern audience. Your sequence here is a really good example of how to do it right.

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#1280619
Topic
Star Wars: Remastered - A New Special Edition
Time

I actually don’t hate the new Vader / Kenobi battle sequence. I agree that not all of it would fit when integrated into A New Hope; however, there are at least a few shots that I think would be worthwhile to include.

I saw this mock-up on another thread and you can get a feel for what I am talking about:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yyvEBmTmjtLDrvKjLj5BFlouKwlxz1n3/view?usp=sharing

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#1280534
Topic
Vader vs. Kenobi Reimagined [A New Hope / "Scene 38 Reimagined"] – Release
Time

NFBisms said:

ok i tried to do it, using star wars revisited:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yyvEBmTmjtLDrvKjLj5BFlouKwlxz1n3/view?usp=sharing

I’ll be honest, that’s actually not half bad.

There ARE some shots in here that could be used. Obviously using the entire sequence might feel out of place (mainly just because of some choices made with regards to camera work and mediocre effects). However, using some of it sparingly looks decent, I won’t lie.

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#1280431
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

NeverarGreat said:
Two versions would be tricky unless you also prefer the original version with R2’s coincidental awakening, since I’d have to make two entirely different versions of an edit-heavy sequence.

Eh, I don’t think it would that difficult. Obviously things are still set to change, but going with your idea of having Rey fix Artoo — that works fine. In fact, I think I’d keep everything after that.

Basically, keep everything immediately after Artoo wakes up.

The only thing I can think of that could be questioned is where is Rey when Artoo shows the map. Granted, she wasn’t in the original scene either, so I don’t really know if this matters.

…What I’m trying to say is that JJ makes the search for Luke the point of the movie when Luke’s role should really be about what his legend means to others.

I certainly do understand what you are saying, and they are good arguments. What I disagree with you about is that I don’t think JJ made the “point of the movie” to be about the search for Luke. Just because Luke is the focus of the ending scene doesn’t mean that what the movie is about has changed. Also, I do kind of feel like it is necessary because he is a legend, a myth. When the audience sees the mysterious that surrounds him, when we experience that same build-up of curiosity that Rey feels, that’s how you know that the scene is successful.

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#1280427
Topic
Vader vs. Kenobi Reimagined [A New Hope / "Scene 38 Reimagined"] – Release
Time

I like some of this a lot, and I dislike some of it.

If I were doing a fanedit of ANH, I think I might use some of this footage, but probably not all of it. Either way, it does make this battle feel a lot fresher and more like what we would expect from these two characters.

I would definitely strip out this music though and replace it with John Williams.

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#1280333
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

NeverarGreat said:

However, now that I have R2 find the map at night with Rey nowhere in sight, it begs the question of what she’s doing at that moment. Sleeping would be the obvious answer, but what better place to put the dream of the island? Honestly I didn’t intend for this when making the night shot though it probably should have occurred sooner:

https://vimeo.com/334596045

Password: fanedit

This is an interesting concept. I don’t dislike it. I like that we’re still getting this feeling of mystery that comes with the Luke reveal in the original.

However, I do think I’m going to have to agree that it is considerably more complex. I feel like movies generally need to be pretty simple and straightforward. Weaving these two sequences together isn’t impossible, but I just think it’s a little unnecessary.

Again, you know my love for the original ending based on my comment above and previously. I’m open to changes to it, but I believe that whatever changes are made needs to ensure the sense of mystery powerful build up to Luke’s reveal remains intact.

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#1280330
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

NeverarGreat said:

I agree that it’s a great scene, it just doesn’t really work for me as a literal cliffhanger at the end of TFA.

What could I do to convince you to consider more than one version of your fanedit?

Multiple versions of the same fanedit are not uncommon. You have so much very good content that you’ve worked on here. I just believe that the ending scene with Luke is a defining moment for the saga. However, opinions like mine here are not uncommon — everyone has their own take on things and are looking for their “go to” version of their favorite fanedit, after all.

If there’s any way I can convince you or help you make an alternate version, please let me know. It isn’t terribly difficult, especially with the cost of storage being so cheap. Plus, you’d be opening the door to more people being able to enjoy your work based on their version they most enjoy.

You don’t have to answer now, but please at least consider it for the future.

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#1280202
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (RELEASED!)
Time

poppasketti said:

Yeah still thinking about a V2 possibility that will do just that! I have gotten some feedback, though, from a couple of people (literally 2!) that did like my take on that scene so I may have to keep an older version for them too.

Just going to throw in my two cents:

Fanediting is something is fluid and always changing. There is no one “right” version of a film; rather, there are many different ideas and interpretations — each of which carries its own weight and has just as much value as the last.

With that said, it is my opinion that a faneditor should never consider a project to be finished. While I certainly hope that one finds satisfaction in their own work, the truth of the matter is that we do this for others. What fun is creating a fanedit if there’s no one to watch it? Making tweaks to satisfy even a small number of viewers means that you have given people a definitive experience they haven’t received elsewhere.

Constantly getting feedback to be improving, conceptualizing, or even just making the most modest of changes — that is what makes this hobby so enjoyable.

If you decide to make more changes — and I encourage you to do so — don’t think of it as “version 2.” You aren’t improving upon your original work (which is incredible, by the way), rather you are just trying out a different approach. An alternate cut. See where it lands, and most of all, have fun. Worst case scenario, you make someone else’s dream cut. You always have your first run to fall back on.

Keep all your versions. Hell, make fifty of them if you want! Storage is cheap and editing is fun. Find what works best and what people love. Who knows, maybe you’ll find something you like even more than your original. We are what they grow beyond, that is the burden of all faneditors.

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#1279788
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

This is random but I was just reviewing your original changelist. Not sure how much of this is still accurate, but I really hope you’ve changed your mind about removing Rey’s journey to Ahch-To to meet Luke.

That entire sequence — the build up to seeing Luke’s face and the haunting sounds of “The Jedi Steps” — is probably among of the most defining moments in the entire saga. I think it’s up there with Han shooting first, Anakin burning in lava, and Vader’s reveal as Luke’s father.

Getting rid of that ending is something I just don’t think I can get on board with. It’s probably my favorite part of The Force Awakens. Your other changes, however, have been very well done. Just my opinion.

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#1279782
Topic
The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was
Time

I’ve worked on my own fanedit of ROTJ (“The Ziggy Edit,” which is quite a bit more ambitious than your planned changes), and so I just wanted to give you some feedback based on what I encountered with my project.

  • Adywan is including footage from 4K83 in his edit of “ROTJ: Revisited” and I would really recommend you do the same. Specifically, the Blu-Ray has an out of focus section from the first part of Endor that is pretty bad. 4K83 fixes this.

  • I’m a big fan of the “Jerjerrod’s Conflict” deleted scene, and I integrated it into my edit using audio recorded by Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor. While you obviously don’t have to use this in your project, it does add a more “human” element to the Empire that I think was missing in the OT.

  • I’ve never been a fan of Obi-Wan’s description of “a certain point of view.” Again, it’s your edit, but in mine, I integrated the found Laserdisc footage of Yoda saying to Luke, “Obi-Wan would have told you log ago, had I let him [about your father]” which makes this much better in my opinion.

Many other of your changes are in line with what I would recommend as well. Looking forward to seeing your work!

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#1279519
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Man, that sequence looks beautiful. I mean really, it is nearly perfect. It has come a long way since you first worked on this scene, and I really think it’s possible for the viewer to connect it with Rey’s “Forceback.”

The only thing that might further enhance it is that, after BB-8 gets Rey’s attention (after the medical lady says, “Your friend is going to be just fine”), I think we need a tighter shot on BB-8 and Artoo. This was difficult to explain, so — I hope you don’t mind — but I took your video and then cut it myself to show you what I mean:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pTw6TzuCPAPO0i2ki53XZEhJGzeznURn/view?usp=sharing

I just reused the previous shot and then reversed it. The only tough thing about this is that it would require putting an “eye” on BB-8 or rotating his head. However, I think this change helps the audience focus a little more on what BB-8 is wanting Rey to look at: Artoo.

RogueLeader said:

I’m still not 100% sold on the Rey/BB-8 stuff, but it could be my own bias. Unrelated to the vfx work so far, I guess it doesn’t feel totally like it actually fits in with the movie yet. Like it isn’t completely seamless logically.

I could go either way on this. I think the shocked look on Rey’s face and the close up on Artoo helps to connect the dots.

If we wanted to make it more obvious, there’s only one thing I can think of: have Rey say Luke’s name. You could maybe use a voiceover from when she says Luke’s name during her conversation with Maz. But I kind of feel like a voiceover would make the edit seem rather amateur. If she says Luke’s name, we need to see her say it. Maybe some rotoscoping magic by cutting her out of the scene with Maz.

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#1279403
Topic
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi — The 'Ziggy' Edit
Time

Hold up, I found different line of Harrison Ford’s from Raiders of the Lost Ark. This makes it so that Han still calls Jabba a “son of a bitch,” but he first laughs sarcastically. Indiana Jones says this in a temple, so there’s an echo. I had to add a reverb effect to the surrounding lines, which I think can be played off as being spoken the same loudspeaker that Threepio is speaking on.

Second version:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19OT9gWCHJkGp0Vu0eRK53WT5vzjd-_0f/view?usp=sharing

Thoughts?