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#1277368
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Moving Starkiller to fire at the end of the lightsaber battle is interesting.

I do like that it does not take away from Han’s death. I also like that it makes it seem that the instability of the planet is what causes Starkiller to reach its own destruction upon firing.

The only thing is that I feel like there’s going to need to be some dialogue here to piece that part together. Like it would be perfect if there was a First Order officer that mentioned something about the instability of the planet.

This idea is something worth continuing to play with.

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#1273914
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I put “The Jedi Steps” music into The Last Jedi for Luke’s showdown with the First Order and it is amazing.
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ChainsawAsh said:

Wow. That was awesome. I’d love to see that incorporated in a full edit!

Thanks. I would also love to see it in a full edit.

“The Jedi Steps” is, in my opinion, THE theme for Old Luke. It is ledgendary, like he is.

The Jedi Steps is probably the best song written for the sequel trilogy so far. I would love to see it become the Old Luke’s theme, which is why I used it in this showdown scene.

It’s just an epic song for an amazing sequence.

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#1273703
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I put “The Jedi Steps” music into The Last Jedi for Luke’s showdown with the First Order and it is amazing.
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One thing I’ve really wanted to do is see the inclusion of the song “The Jedi Steps” (from The Force Awakens) overlayed with the climatic moment of Luke walking out to confront Kylo Ren and the First Order in The Last Jedi.

Don’t get me wrong: the existing theme during that scene (“The Spark”) is great. But “The Jedi Steps” gives me chills — it’s the song that introduces us to Luke Skywalker for the first time in the sequel trilogy. Luke the legend, Luke the Jedi Master, Luke returns. That’s why I feel “The Jedi Steps” is so appropriate during the showdown on Crait.

I changed the key of the music so that it better matched the existing music, and added the sound effects.

Link: https://vimeo.com/261781728
Password: jedisteps

Just curious about what people think.

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#1271472
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Episode VI: Return of the Jedi — The 'Ziggy' Edit
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So there’s this new video going around on the Internet that Topher Grace put together, a sort of trailer of all the Star Wars films thus far. I actually really like it, but there’s one part in particular I find pretty interesting.

Of course, we all know of the mysterious exchange in ESB/ROTH when Obi-Wan remarks, “That boy is our last hope,” to which Yoda replies, “There is another.” In this video, they arranged the clips to imply that, when Yoda says that line, the “other” is in fact, Rey.

This is an interesting idea that I hadn’t seen mentioned elsewhere, and would actually give a lot more credence to the need for the sequel trilogy — it seems to tie it in better than the original idea, which of course, was Leia. Now, you could argue that, at the time George Lucas wrote this, he intended to have the sequel trilogy star Leia with use of her Force powers. But seeing as that didn’t happen, is there any way to integrate this idea into an ROTJ fanedit?

I suppose what I am looking for is a question of whether it is even somehow possible to have Obi-Wan (or Yoda, on his deathbed) mention Rey in ROTJ, without completely disrupting the rest of the film. I have no idea if it would even be possible or where the dialogue would come from — maybe some from Yoda’s lines in TLJ?

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#1270351
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Episode VI: Return of the Jedi — The 'Ziggy' Edit
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After a long sleep…

It’s been a few years, but I have decided to revive this thread and continue my work on my fanedit of Return of the Jedi, called “The Ziggy Edit.”

There have been a lot of new changes that I have implemented since I first announced the project. Take a look at the (now updated) change list on the initial post, and let me know what you think.

Link to change list: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/772163

Thanks everyone.

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#1270253
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a more polished version of the scene, with some improved transitions and an edit to the Hux/Snoke dialogue. The rearrangement of the Kylo/Snoke dialogue has been dialed back but still retains the main idea.

This looks good, although (personally) I think the “He means nothing to me” line is too confusing on its own.

I definitely wouldn’t say the earlier Snoke scenes were failures. I really liked how you ended one of them with Snoke calling Kyle Ren “Solo.”

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#1270119
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The Last Jedi - Clean cut edition
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ForceGhostRecon said:

ok guys, v5 is good to go - aka the ‘Ackbar replaces Holdo’ version - it’s pretty awesome imo. I’d love to hear what you guys think - msg me for a link

preview it here https://drive.google.com/file/d/11WCf4ofcvhiXKFYLwl-5RFEt1S-4-B85/view?usp=sharing

This… actually looks better than I expected. It’s not perfect, but it’s good enough that you could get away with it. Someone that isn’t looking for it wouldn’t think twice about it.

The only thing I wish was that the guy that did this roto work would (1) release his fanedit in full quality with these changes in HD, and (2) see if there’s some way of changing the color of Ackbar’s clothing to match the tan color used by the Resistence.

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#1270055
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (RELEASED!)
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poppasketti said:

Ziggy, thanks so much for the compliments, and I’m so glad you enjoyed the edit!

Hey there! Yes, I’ve now watched Rekindled several times, and I really cannot get enough of it. I really like discussing it so I hope you don’t mind that I’m going to probably continue to bring things up about it — for better or worse remains to be seen!

Regarding my suggestions, let me first tackle the big one about Ackbar.

I know that it’s a significant change and honestly, it’s not entirely realistic for Rekindled in its current state. Changes like these are bold enough that, if they aren’t pulled off correctly, they’re obvious. They’re what separates an excellent fanedit from others that are more conceptual in their goals.

What I think I’d like to see is an alternate or “experimental” version of Rekindled. Sort of a sandbox for ideas that may or may not make the final cut. (Hell, I say this like it’s mine — it’s your edit and your time, you can do whatever you want with it!) But I suppose I’m just so fond of what you’ve put together here that I am eager to see it combined with some of the more conceptual changes that have been suggested (like the Ackbar addition) without it tarnishing the quality of Rekindled as it is today.

So I suppose what I’m asking is if you would consider an “experimental” version of Rekindled. Or, would you be open to myself or anyone else using Rekindled as a base on which to build in some of these more conceptual changes? That said, it’s been a few years since my last fanedit (that reminds me, I should dig it out…), so I admit that it likely wouldn’t come close to the great work you’ve done.

The other two changes I mentioned — Paige kicking the ladder and BB-8 fixing Poe’s X-Wing — these are both things that I believe can be edited without significant alteration of the film, and therefore they could be as seamless as nearly all your other changes in Rekindled.

If you ever decide to open the project back up again, I’d definitely like to see these two things be something you look at.

ChainsawAsh said:

I also don’t like the Ackbar stuff. The voice isn’t convincing (though that could be remedied by a better voice actor doing an impression closer to his TFA/TLJ voice), and the ROTJ outfit and mask don’t match. The rotoscoping is mostly okay, but in general I fail to see how it improves anything, unless you really hate Holdo or feel it’s absolutely necessary to hammer home the “there might be a spy” point, none of which I have an issue with (I was surprised to discover that the spy thing wasn’t outright stated as I’d apparently taken it as a given).

I agree with all these points. I’m not crazy about the Ackbar addition, but it does look better than I thought it might. It also does fix some of the issues I’ve had with Holdo. Let me be clear, I do not hate her character. However, what I don’t like is that, after all of the hysterics leading up to the reveal that she does, in fact, know what she’s doing, we’re supposed to suddenly accept the fact that she and Leia are close friends. I imagine we’re also supposed to feel some remorse for her sacrifice to save the Resistance, which I don’t at all.

I am unsure of how to fix that. Ackbar introducing her does seem to help explain her presence and her actions, which I do like. That is my primary reason for wanting to see the roto’d clip inserted.

Obviously, it could still be improved upon — the roto could be even better, and it definitely needs a better Ackbar impressionist. With that said, if the scene had been in the actual film, I do think people would have felt more at ease with her strange decisions and the role she plays with regards to Leia. While I understand that may be the point, it also means I just don’t care about her sacrifice (which is worse, in my opinion).

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#1269979
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (RELEASED!)
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Hello there,

I just wanted to pop in and talk about your fanedit (“Rekindled”) a little more.

This weekend I spent some time rewatching all of the fanedits I could find of The Last Jedi. Afterwards, I walked away with some ideas and thoughts on what I liked and what I didn’t. Of all of them, I will say that your version continues to be my favorite rendition as it addresses some of the biggest issues I had with the original film. With that said, I also saw some things in other edits that I hope you may someday consider for a future version, or a new fanedit altogether.

The things I like the MOST about your fanedit:

  • Removing the Leia spacewalk — it was absolutely a deus ex machina
  • Removing Rose’s rescue of Finn — your version is FLAWLESS
  • Trimming — but keeping — most of Poe’s “prank call” with Hux
  • Changing the music during the Luke lightsaber toss scene

I know that your fanedit was based on HAL 9000’s “Legendary” edit, for which I very much enjoyed his work as well, especially these changes:

  • Cutting much of Canto Bight
  • Reinserting “Luke has a moment” and “Poe: Not Much of a Sewer” deleted scenes
  • Removing the Ach-to caretakers and meant-to-be-humorous Porg scenes
  • And numerous other small changes

Having built Rekindled off of Legendary, and addressing a few more points that I had issues with, yours remains the pinnacle of fanedits for The Last Jedi. Friends I’ve shown it to have agreed, saying that it has totally changed their opinion of the original film.

So now, after having rewatched Rekindled (along with several other fanedits), I think I know what I still want to see in a fanedit of The Last Jedi. Not necessarily in your fanedit, but if you were ever to release a newer version or even another fanedit altogether, I think these three items would really help enhance The Last Jedi:

Further trimming Paige Tico (bomber girl) kicking the ladder to drop the detonator.
I know that you shorted this slightly, but to be honest, I still find it longer than it needs to be. I keep screaming at my TV, “Just get up and go grab the damn thing!” Two kicks or so is fine, but right now, it is still too long, I think. ForceGhostRecon’s “Clean Cut Version” does a pretty good job of fixing this.

Changing BB-8’s repair of Poe’s X-Wing
I’ll be honest, I always thought this scene was too silly. BB-8 starts popping new fingers into every socket on the board, only to use his whole head which magically fixes the problem. It was just too slapstick for me. The best fix I’ve seen of this is one that I’m almost afraid to mention because of some controversy regarding the faneditor creating it. Regardless, the actual change itself [watch it here] is really great and is one I’d love to see happen someday.

Finding a better way to introduce Holdo
This is a bigger change. Last week, Gigawattboy posted a couple clips from his new fanedit of The Last Jedi (not yet released). In his version, keeping Admiral Ackbar alive allows the introduction and motivation of Holdo’s to feel so much better. I feel like her character came out of nowhere. Supposedly she’s been friends with Leia despite us never having heard of her, but she seems like she can’t be trusted and she doesn’t reveal any indication of a plan of action. Gigawattboy’s incredible roto work makes it possible for Ackbar — a character we know and trust — to introduce Holdo, which feels so much more authentic and allows us to appreciate her later sacrifice. [Clip is here]

As of right now, that’s all I’ve got. Again, I’m not asking you to consider these changes for Rekindled (although I think if you did they would be well-received). But if you ever wanted to play with it a little more, I certainly would like to see your work. Otherwise, someday, I might ask about using Rekindled as the base of a fanedit of my own! But as that day may be a long ways off, being able to share these ideas with you at least allows me to dream, eh?

Thanks again for your great work!

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#1269952
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The Last Jedi - Clean cut edition
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ForceGhostRecon said:

I’m thinking about inserting Gigawattboy’s Ackbar scenes into my cut - I’d edit it a bit from what he has, but i like his roto work and I like the idea of Ackbar being the hero much better than Holdo (this way, i can get rid of Holdo altogether in my cut 😃 )- anyone interested in a v5?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-UnuWAThss&t=145s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhMFYvDYsqk

Holy cow, that is some great roto work. Like seriously, it completely eliminates the need for Holdo to even be in the film and makes Ackbar’s death so much more poignant.

I definitely like the first link above, where he edited it so that Ackbar introduces Holdo because at least now we understand why she acts the way she does about their plan.

For the second link, I would love to see it happen, but it seems like it will be pretty difficult to pull off. If it’s not doable, I would be okay with leaving Holdo in, provided the first scene he created with Ackbar introducing Holdo was integrated into the cut.

ForceGhostRecon said:

Rendering v5 as we speak… Holdo is completely gone. Ackbar now hyper-suicides himself to save the rebels. Msg me if interested.

Well hell, now I’m very curious to see this.

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#1269594
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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I’m sorry to change the subject but I just saw your updated version of Rey’s dream.

You’re going to hate me for saying it, but I’m just still not sold on it yet.

Things I like:

  • I like the nighttime shots
  • I like the Rey voice
  • I like the music choice

Things I don’t like:

  • I can’t hear a single sentance in the collage of audio during this sequence
  • The wall of days is on there for way too long (I know you said it was a stand in)

I know that I previously said the sequence was revealing too much too soon, but now I feel like it reveals nothing at all! The only thing that I feel is really important to this sequence is something about the island. Yes, a drawing of the island might work, as long as it’s clear that’s what it is.

Otherwise, maybe split second video clips? Like just a few frames of the island flash onto the screen, just to give the audience the visual of what Rey is seeing.

Like:

  • Shot of Rey asleep
  • The voices / scary sounds
  • 3 frames of unkar
  • Back to Rey sleeping (maybe an eye twitches… not sure how that would be possible)
  • 3 frames of the island
  • Back to Rey sleeping

Etc.

I don’t know. As of right now, they Reydream is still my favorite in terms of how it looks. It’s so simple and yet so curious.

You’re doing good work.

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#1268860
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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Just some thoughts on this.

I’m going to echo most of RogueLeader’s opinion, particularly the comments about:

I think you could have a hard cut transition from the Poe interrogation scene to BB-8 outside Rey’s house. Then go into the AT-AT, to the various interior shots and hear echoes of Plutt that she’s imagining, but possibly also some alien jibberish like you suggested, like Teedo, maybe the junk cleaning alien, etc., but you can overlap them to the point that they’re really overwhelming to Rey and us, and then a hard black. Relief. After a beat, fade back onto a peaceful shot of the island.

Additionally, though, my biggest concern with this scene is that it is too on-the-nose. I’m afraid that it gives away too much about Rey’s character too early in the film. The great part about the daydream (“Reydream”) sequence was that it was so short and sweet. But the problem I feel about this version of her dream is that it’s too long and reveals too much too early.

Part of what makes TFA so great is that we don’t confirm that Rey is the successor to the Jedi until the very end of the film. There are hints, like the lightsaber flashback (“Forceback”), but nothing so direct about what her destiny is until the moment the lightsaber flies into her hands during the battle with Kylo Ren.

I’m all for the sequence, I just think it needs to be shorter, more dream-like / mysterious, and less obvious about what it means. I would also recommend not using “The Jedi Steps,” mainly because I feel like that is a theme that is reserved for Luke when this is a sequence less about him and more about the Force awakening in Rey.

Music wise, I’m not sure. Maybe you could play with something like the intro music to The Force Awakens trailer, which was composed by Williams. Or maybe the original teaser trailer music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhtOwVvQjIc

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#1268855
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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ChainsawAsh said:

I’d like to reiterate this wonderful suggestion when it comes to the Imperial March in ANH:

INVAR said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I still think it’d be nice to add a bit of the Imperial March to the scene when Vader arrives on the Tantive, though that would mean replacing a small bit of original music.

I already created a brief edit to show what that might look and sound like. It’s minimalist, but it works.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/225892219

I am absolutely 100% totally on board with this.

With that said, I don’t think the Imperial March should appear anywhere else in the film, unless Vader is on the screen.

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#1268697
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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RoccondilRinon said:

Also, not sure if Ady has answered this, but is the Imperial March being kept in the Death Star reveal, given the full march treatment of the Death Star theme in Rogue One?

I am wondering this myself. I almost feel as though “The Imperial March” should NOT be in A New Hope, perhaps with the only exception being when Vader is on the screen — the theme has been closely tied with Vader and his leadership of the fleet.

However, after Rogue One, they chose to embrace the classic Death Star 1 theme (dun, dun dun dun!) and also introduced “The Imperial Suite,” which almost seems more like an appropriate theme for the Empire in the time of Tarkin.

I would personally like to see The Imperial Suite in ANH:R HD, and keep The Imperial March out of it (with the exception, perhaps, being when Vader makes a move — maybe the lightsaber battle with Obi-Wan or when Vader hops into his TIE fighter).

By the way, here’s the theme I’m referring to (“The Imperial Suite”):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uKtUlPmhqw

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#1268661
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This dude added Admiral Ackbar to TLJ and makes Holdo actually seem competent.
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poppasketti said:

That’s a really cool video, and really impressive roto work!

ziggyonice said:

Perhaps competent isn’t the right word. What bugs me about her character is that she comes out of nowhere, we’re suddenly supposed to just go along with her plan (which the audience doesn’t know about), and then in the end, she saves the day?

I don’t think we’re supposed to go along with her, I think we’re supposed to be suspicious of her like Poe is. Then we’re surprised (like Poe) when she actually has a plan and saves the day.

You’re right — I see what Rian Johnson was going for. With that said, I don’t like it. I get it, but it doesn’t sit well with me at all because in the end, she is suddenly embraced by Leia as a friend. It’s as if we’re suddenly supposed to be okay with this stranger making these great sacrifices, despite her abrasive attitude.

One explanation that I thought while watching it was that she couldn’t trust anyone after being tracked through hyperspace. It reminded me of Battlestar Galactica, when they kept getting followed through light speed because someone planted a tracking device on their ship. If Holdo is suspicious of a traitor, she might keep her plans more secret. However, this is not really addressed in the film, so it comes off as a plot contrivance.

I have the same head canon — yes, she couldn’t trust anyone. Unlike Battlestar Galactica, however, they didn’t say this in The Last Jedi. The thing I like about this guy putting Ackbar back into the film is that it explains that they’re not discussing the plan for that very reason. That makes Holdo’s abrasive attitude make so much more sense and actually allows the audience to feel more appreciative for her sacrifice.

Just my two cents, anyway.

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#1268644
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This dude added Admiral Ackbar to TLJ and makes Holdo actually seem competent.
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oojason said:

My thoughts are that Holdo was more than competent in the theatrical version of TLJ.

Perhaps competent isn’t the right word. What bugs me about her character is that she comes out of nowhere, we’re suddenly supposed to just go along with her plan (which the audience doesn’t know about), and then in the end, she saves the day?

Having Ackbar vouch for her is something that make it feel more complete, in my opinion.

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#1268639
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This dude added Admiral Ackbar to TLJ and makes Holdo actually seem competent.
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If you haven’t seen this already, take a look. This guy over on Reddit posted this and it looks pretty fantastic.

Here’s a direct link to the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-UnuWAThss

Would love to see this integrated into some fan edits, and makes it really come together to make sense of why Holdo doesn’t tell anyone her plan. Thoughts?

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#1261205
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Sooooo.

Awhile back I created my own fanedit of ROTJ (it’s called “The Ziggy Edit,” if you can find it out there).

One of my changes included the removal of Obi-Wan’s awful line: “What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.”

Instead, I inserted a clip from some of the original deleted scenes / lines from a laserdisc. It’s the scene on Yoda’s deathbed, and when Luke asks Yoda about his father, Yoda responds as he does in the final film, but also says, “Obi-Wan would have told you had I let him, but not ready for the burden were you.”

Such a better explanation than Lucas’s desire to make Obi-Wan into a saint.

EDIT: found an article about the scene here: https://www.tor.com/2013/11/07/absolving-obi-wan-deleted-scene-from-return-of-the-jedi-makes-yoda-into-the-jerk/

EDIT 2: found the footage (30 mins!): https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kz56q4t6fek

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#1259325
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The &quot;Custom Special Edition&quot; That Will Likely Never Be
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Hal 9000 said:

With my V2 of my TLJ:L project and TFA:R V3 being nearly ready to go, I would like to turn my attention to this project, starting with ANH.

I’m just going to be honest: I feel like it would be best to wait for Adywan as the improvements in video quality alone are substantial. ANH will be released in HD eventually by him. Maybe work on ESB first?

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#1259011
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Has anyone attempted to put Holdo in The Force Awakens so that her character doesn't feel shoehorned into The Last Jedi?
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Just wondering if there are any fan edits that have tried putting Holdo into The Force Awakens?

I know I’m not alone in thinking that her character felt very forced (no pun intended) and came out of nowhere. Like, “Who is person?” and “Why do we care about her?” and “Why haven’t we heard of her before if she and Leia are such good friends?”

So anyway, I’m wondering if anyone has looked at creating a fan edit that integrates Holdo into The Force Awakens to bridge the gap and makes her role in The Last Jedi feel more authentic?

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#1259010
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (RELEASED!)
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ChainsawAsh said:

Huh, I didn’t notice that…maybe an audio holdover from Hal’s cut of the scene? I know poppasketti restored a line or two toward the end of the exchange compared to Hal’s cut, but I don’t know if he ever said if he used Hal’s audio mix there or if he went back to the BR audio.

Yeah, it’s definitely there. Watch the cut put together for the preview he posted on Vimeo:

https://vimeo.com/282319524 (password: fanedit)

And then watch the scene in the final version at starting about 3 min 50 sec. There’s a video clip missing, but the audio is still there. The video clip needs to be reinserted.

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#1258992
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (RELEASED!)
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Hey man, just watched the film and I want to say great work! This really addresses most of my annoyances regarding the The Last Jedi. Thank you putting together such a fine project.

I have found two quirks that I wanted to mention.

The first:

At the beginning of the movie, during the funny exchange between Hux and Poe, is there a video clip missing at 3:58? Hux says, “You and your friends are doomed. We’ll wipe your filth from the galaxy.” In Hal9000’s version, there is a shot of the “loading” bar in Poe’s cockpit and we hear Hux’s voice over the radio briefly. This is also visible in the Vimeo clip you uploaded.

But now, that shot is gone, and yet, the audio remains. We can still hear the sound effect of Poe’s “loading” bar over Hux’s talking. Is the video clip supposed to be re-inserted there? Or did you intentionally take it out? (Personally, I’d keep the shot in, as I believe it gives context as to what is happening in this scene, but obviously, now it’s not there.)

And the second:

Finn & Rose escaping the Star Destroyer feels rather rushed. It’s just a little too fast and seems obvious that something was cut here. I’m not sure how to fix that exactly, but it’s just something I felt that needed mentioning.