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#1381899
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Great work on this, Hal.

Watched workprint 6.1. It looks really good, and my feedback is minimal.

  • For the edit in the desert scene, the cut at 23:40 is pretty obvious. I suggest using the clip at 24:02 and placing it at 23:40 as a break, THEN cut to them running.

  • Would you consider putting in a couple establishing shots of Ahch-To at 1:26:28? It’s such a hard cut here and it’s our first time seeing the island in this movie, and doesn’t give much context. Is there a shot or two from TFA or TLJ that could flesh out this sequence a little more? In my dreams, I’d love to see a wipe to seeing Ren’s TIE fighter fly toward the planet, and THEN establishing shot of the island, and THEN Rey burning the TIE.

  • In Kylo Ren’s mask montage, Rey says, “You’re a creature in a mask” at 18:08. But it’s hard to hear over the music. It’s an important line. Could it be moved just a second or two later so it is more audible?

  • I’m a big fan of the Knights of Ren dialogue. I do think you should consider adding one of the lines in the helmet rebuilding scene, but that’s just my opinion.

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#1379643
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Anyone know this?

In FCP7, if you use the blade to cut a clip, there will appear two red arrows to let you know that the clips are aligned despite the cut.

Does anything correspond to this in FCPX? When I make a cut, there doesn’t seem to be any visual distinction between any two clips I could just smash together.

I know I’m late to the party.

FCPX has a “position” tool (which replicates FCP7 functionality) and the standard “select” tool.

By default, the select tool moves clips around with a “snap” behavior to ensure there aren’t any gaps in content. A yellow bar appears when bringing two clips together.

The position tool, on the other hand, allows you to throw clips around without having other parts of your project move around. When you use the blade to slice a clip, two clips, a dotted line appears indicating a place for you to drop something in.

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#1376677
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Say, Ziggy, what was the source for the hyperspace whoosh sound from that clip a few pages back? It sounded fine to me in context.

The one I used was the one the from when Artoo fixes the hyperdrive in ESB. I haven’t had a chance yet to try and extract the original sound effect. I just grabbed it from a YouTube clip of that scene, which doesn’t sound as good as the original.

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#1376507
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a clip: https://vimeo.com/460414689

I will give the audio another pass, but that’s the best I could do for now. And if anyone can do a better job color correcting the brief shot of Poe flipping switches, cool.
And if anyone has a fitting clip of 3PO naming Chewbacca from outside the films, that’s be nice as well.

Jinx.

That looks awesome. I’ll see if I can play with the color.

Take a look at my other notes and video clip above to see if that helps at all.

I don’t know for sure if having Kylo Ren’s lines swapped out is required, but you all can give it a listen and see if they make more sense with the ones I put in.

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#1376504
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Sure, send the clip my way and I’ll see what I can do with the color.

Also, I listened to the audio clips of Kylo Ren from the LEGO Force Awakens game (voice acted by Adam Driver) I did find something that I think might work. I put it in the updated video link below.

I put this together so you can see the changes I made, should you want to replicate them: https://vimeo.com/460415122/7d2e23af7d

  1. Cut Poe pushing buttons and moved it to after Rey’s discussion of her “throne” vision + color correct
  2. Cut the shot of Poe pulling the lever upon firing up the ship and put it in the original place of the buttons, have his “Look at that” line remain.
  3. Shifted Poe’s line, “What is she doing?” and put it after he asks, “Where is Chewie?”
  4. Added C-3P0’s “for Chewbacca” line from Return of the Jedi
  5. Removed Kylo Ren’s original lines (“I know where she’s going” and “She won’t be a Jedi”) and replaced with lines from LEGO Star Wars: “There’s no need, I shall deal with her on my own.”
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#1376477
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Your mock-up involves reusing a shot from earlier of Poe messing with switches. It’d either have to be reused or cut from the earlier scene.

You’re right, I put that shot of Poe in to connect the two scenes. My main reason for that is just to slow down the pacing.

Rather than having the same shot appear twice in the film, I would recommend removing it from the earlier sequence in the desert. Poe pulls a few levers in another shot so I don’t really see this particular shot as being required there.

There might be another shot in the behind the scenes video. I’ll take a look.

Perhaps the simplest fix would be to replace or remove the line, “I know where she’s going.”

If you’re suggesting to leave the Kylo Ren/Palpatine scene in its current location, then yes, removing that line would fix the continuity issue. That said, it wouldn’t improve the pacing of that sequence and it would remain as lightning fast as it is now.

Moving the scene to immediately after the shot of our heroes being followed allows you to use the scene as is, because the Knights of Ren do, in fact, know where they’re going. This allows Kylo Ren to tell Palpatine exactly this. Maybe another line can be plugged in but I think this change does work.

It just means you just have to cut the shot of Poe pushing the buttons while they’re in the desert.

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#1376287
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Is there an alternate source for a similar line? Maybe from the radio drama?

I have to wait until I can sit and think a minute but I think I like your proposed restructure of those scenes!

I’m glad you like the idea. I do think shifting that sequence around helps the pacing considerably. For the C-3P0 bit, I’ll see if I can find another line, but his saying “Chewbacca” from ROTJ was the first that came to mind.

Hal 9000 said:

Also, who has a good pre-hyperspace jump sound for the ice wall moment? I haven’t found the right one yet.

The sound effect that I think works really well is this one, when Artoo fixes the hyperdrive in ESB. I’ll try to see if I can pull the sound without the music, maybe out of the surround sound mix.

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#1376196
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Icecream2448 said:

I kinda liked 3PO not saying anything. It was cute and awkward in a C-3PO way the way it played out.

Hmm, wonder if I’m in the minority then.

It just seemed pretty out of character for C-3P0 who is always looking for a chance to talk, and discusses friendship a lot more this film.

I think him saying it—in the last Star Wars movie, especially—is actually kind of heartwarming.

But I’m okay being outvoted on that.

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#1376163
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
Time

Throwing in another random comment after re-re-re-watching the latest workprint.

After our heroes leave Pasaana, there is a clip of some TIE fighters towing the Falcon onto the star destroyer. In this fanedit, you’ve removed the rest of the clip (revealing Chewie is still alive) and replaced it with the brief scene of Kylo Ren having a telepathic convo with Palpatine. This is a great change because it keeps the Chewbacca reveal a secret AND it shows us that the Falcon ends up on the star destroyer (important for our heroes to escape later).

That said, I’d like to suggest moving the Kylo Ren/Palpatine scene just a little later: to right after watching our heroes’ ship fly off to reveal they’re being followed by the Knights of Ren. Here’s what this does:

  1. Help slow down the pacing. Have the sequence go from Rey and Finn talking about her having accidentally killed Chewie and right into Poe asking what their plan is. This lengthens the scene and helps make it not feel so choppy.

  2. In the Kylo Ren/Palpatine sequence, Kylo Ren tells Palpatine that he knows where Rey is going. The problem is, with the scene positioned where it is currently, how does he know where she is going? In fact, in a later scene, General Pryde and Hux approach him and tell him they’ve found Rey, even though, by the current logic, he should have already known this.

So by moving the Kylo Ren/Palpatine scene right AFTER the shot of our heroes being tailed, it makes more sense that Kylo Ren can tell Palpatine he knows where they’re going because we now know they’re being followed.


Here’s my take of the entire sequence: https://vimeo.com/459833058/4afd0d3b9e

Notes:

  • This was a very quick edit job, so it still needs some work.
  • The audio also needs work, but that’s doable.
  • The clip of Poe pressing buttons was taken from Pasaana as he prepares to fire up the ship. Added color correction to match the clips that follow.

Also, one thing that really bugs me is when our heroes say, “For Chewie,” they hold hands, and then C-3P0 comes over and says nothing.

So you’ll notice in my take I have him saying “oh Chewbacca,” from Return of the Jedi, and plugged it into his awkward silence when they hold hands. I think it feels SO much better with him acknowledging his friend that he’s known since A New Hope.

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#1374827
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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So I’m watching the workprint again and wanted to bring up another scene that could use another look, Hal.

Near the beginning of the film, I noticed that you had to cut out a good chunk of the argument between Rey and Poe upon their arrival back at base. This is because they talk about lightspeed skipping, which has been cut from the fanedit.

The only problem is that this setup is a little awkward because, as a result of this cut, Finn appears out of nowhere standing next to them, and Rey doesn’t even acknowledge him.

So I played with this some just to see if there could be another option. The best I could come up with is simply moving their spoken dialogue around and try to match it with their mouth movements best I could. It’s far from perfect, but they’re arguing loud enough that the casual viewer may not even notice.

Take a look and see what you think:
https://vimeo.com/457348707/54bc611b3c

Again, not perfect, but this might make more logical sense than having Finn apparate. It also just feels a little smoother, I think.

Also, I’m still traveling so the quality isn’t great, but hopefully you get the idea.

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#1374690
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
Time

Here’s my latest attempt at the Pasaana sequence.

https://vimeo.com/457182440/00d4697329

Moving the Star Destroyer scene to after they meet Lando feels so much more like Star Wars to me.

That said, I’d be curious to know if you think the move is worth it.

I also added a couple growls from Chewie that just helps to make that whole sequence less awkward.

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#1374624
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

But if they’re ID’d on the planet it ruins Kylo getting the necklace. I welcome further work, but I wouldn’t count on using it. No offense, of course.

Ah, I see what you’re saying.

I think the only way to work out the logic would that you’d have to have either the stormtrooper or (disguised) Lando say something else.

They’re both masked with altered voices and have just a few lines a piece, so that makes it easier.

It would have to play out something like this:

  1. Rey: “We have to get to the Falcon. It’s Ren.”
  2. The group runs through the crowd.
  3. Stormtrooper: “What’s this commotion about? Who are you? Let’s see some ID/scan docs.”
  4. Masked Man (aka Lando) shoots the stormtrooper, then: “Follow me.”
  5. The group returns to Lando’s transport.
  6. Star Destroyer sequence.

Obviously, not something that needs to be included in this edit. But I do think it would help the pacing if it can be pulled off.

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#1374579
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Ziggy, I like how that clip is paced, but it kinda destroys any logic the sequence had.

Moving the Star Destroyer sequence could be done without destroying the logic, as far as I can tell.

But otherwise, yes, the question of why the group would follow a stranger would have to be addressed.

Maybe shooting the stormtrooper could remain to show the group they can trust the guy, but the stormtrooper’s dialogue would need to be changed.

Otherwise, Lando’s disguised voice could be easily altered (he only says three lines anyway) to have him say something else.

I’ll continue to play with this.

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#1374441
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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ziggyonice said:

I made a VERY rough version (I edited this on my phone — traveling right now)

Reiterating how poor the video/editing quality is, but with a little polishing (and when I’m back on my computer), I think the sequence could look very smooth and the pacing much improved.

Just sort of squint your eyes for now. 😉

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#1374440
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Throwing out another random idea here.

One of the biggest issues with this film is the pacing. It is way, way too fast and feels like we never get to just spend some time in one place. So I’m wondering if moving around some smaller sequences could help?

For example, in a period of just over a minute:

  1. On Pasaana, Rey and Kylo Ren finish their Skype session
  2. He snatches her necklace
  3. She runs back to Poe, Finn, and crew
  4. Scene jumps to Kylo Ren’s Star Destroyer, they’ve ID’d the necklace
  5. Our heroes are caught immediately by a stormtrooper
  6. Lando appears
  7. TIE fighters arrive

I’m proposing this scene be re-worked a bit:

  1. On Pasaana, Rey and Kylo Ren finish their Skype session
  2. He snatches her necklace
  3. She runs back to Poe, Finn, and crew
  4. Landy appears
  5. Scene jumps to Kylo Ren’s Star Destroyer, they’ve ID’d the necklace
  6. Back to Lando, TIE figures arrive

Totally remove the sequence where the stormtrooper finds them, and move the Star Destroyer scene to take place after Rey and Co. get onto Lando’s transport. Add in a classic Star Wars wipe upon returning to the Lando scene and it slows the pacing considerably.

I made a VERY rough version (I edited this on my phone — traveling right now), but this might give you a feel for the improved pacing. Watch the original scene, and then watch this cut, and I think you’ll find this change makes it feels a little more like Star Wars.

https://vimeo.com/456819401/71ebecd9cb

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#1373851
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

For anyone who would like it, here’s the ending scene with no added music. (The video track is compressed, but the audio is not.)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ol5gOj66ASm93SRLx7YrnGfgifSc0y_9/view?usp=sharing

Is there supposed to be a sound effect of the lightsaber being turned off?

Noticed it’s ignited and then suddenly it’s not.

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#1373588
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
Time

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s another version of the extra lever shot. I extended Chewie’s grown, which hopefully works, and used a different piece of buffer audio from earlier in the scene that doesn’t have the wind that was causing issues.
https://vimeo.com/453744130

Going back to the Poe pulling the lever, this looks great.

That said, Hal, I took your edit and added the sound of the hyperdrive kicking in. The change is subtle but I really think it helps to sell that sequence.

Take a look: https://vimeo.com/455670684/fefe98d1d7

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#1372268
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

How’s this? It puts the music even more through the wringer, but it might be acceptable.

https://vimeo.com/453476256

Great improvement, definitely fixes the issue and flows much better.

Only thing you could maybe add, provided it sounds okay, would be the sound of the “burrrrrRRRR” / sound of lightspeed revving up, as Poe is pulling the lever down.

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#1372153
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
Time

Random, but I’m watching the workprint now.

With the removal of the light speed skipping, Poe says, “How thick do you think that ice wall is?” and then boom, instant light speed and the scene ends. Can we get a shot of his hand on the accelerator or an interior shot of them jumping to light speed or something? It feels way, way too rushed without showing them making the jump.

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#1372152
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released) (V3 UPDATE!)
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Just wanted to give you my review on the Palpatine version ——

Great work. I really, really like the hints throughout and it helps connect to Episode IX so much more. I think my favorite additions are the radio broadcast at the end and Palpatine’s laugh in the Luke/Ben flashback. Watching this, followed by The Rise of Skywalker, feels so much more natural now.

My only feedback, and I’d be happy to hear your thoughts on it, is for Snoke’s “Sith eyes” / yellow eyes moment. I think it’s a great idea, though it’s my opinion that his eyes are just not bright enough. They almost look like they’re just lit up because his robe is now being reflected from the light coming off of the lightsaber.

I wouldn’t have even noticed if I hadn’t read the change log. I’d like to see them brighter, more Sith-like.

Or, and this would be a more dramatic change, but one that would also work: when Snoke uses the Force to push and hold Rey up in the air, Palpatine’s theme starts playing, and there’s a close up on Snoke’s eyes. That would be a great place to revealing his eyes to transition to yellow as he tortures her.

That’s my only feedback for now. Great, great work.

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#1372148
Topic
Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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StarkillerAG said:
I still don’t think introducing Palpatine so early really works, JakeRyan. It raises the uncomfortable question of why Palpatine’s name is never spoken during the entire runtime of TLJ

I mean, Luke mentions him in TLJ as Darth Sideous. I don’t think it would be too out of place to mention him in TLJ again, or even give some sort of hints to Rey’s lineage.

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#1371773
Topic
The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - (WIP) <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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I’ve been out of this thread for awhile but I’m starting to get the itch for Star Wars again and I’m glad to see you’ve continued to work on this.

Being out of the loop, I’m just wondering, what have you considered (if anything) for laying the seeds for Palpatine’s TROS reveal?

It’s been mentioned a million times but, of course, the sequel trilogy is lacking that cohesion. I’d love to see some “hints” at Palpatine (read: very minor) in The Force Awakens, with bigger hints in The Last Jedi.

Just wondering if you’ve had any thoughts on that — via Rey or Snoke or whomever.