zerocool

Based on what you said that may just be playing the original mix as found on the ac3 laserdisc and DTS laserdisc exclusively as far as home releases go. Having listened to both extensively they have the subtle differences you mentioned like the cough and sid. Makes sense they would just ship the theatrical masters they already got instead of re making/encoding all the new stuff for a movie locked to 1080p anyway

even private tracks are… iffy at best. Especially one like myspleen which is notorious for leaks. unless its a direct ftp transfer its almost always going to leak, even then less than savory pirates will do what they do 😦 such is the curse and power of the internet. But just putting the stuff on places where anyone not involved can grab the scans seems like a huge security risk. “”“private”“” or otherwise

Thats reddit for you. no morals no honor no nothing. just ‘gib free stuffs plox’. Even worse they do their mini encode on it and kill the quality, thats in the same league of cringe as putting fan scans onto a disc instead of a media server.

Is there anything that can be done to stop, or slow down, the reddit creeps? I know the mods look the other way when their “”“editors”“” post other peoples works/edits as their own so im assuming they also dont care about film scans(or will put a temp ban in place at most until it cools down).

im 100% sure it will too. just gotta find someone who can do a CC 😉

RU.08 said:

Catsyz said:

The print on the eBay listing does seem to have a Dolby Digital track in between the sprocket holes. But I agree that it would easier to use the laserdisc audio.

We don’t know if it will run or not yet though. It could quite literally be worn out now, Toy Story was a big hit and each print will have had hundreds of shows. If it still works you can record it off a projector.

Did projectors have toslink/spdif out back in the day to allow for this?

AwesomeJ said:

You have no idea how excited I am to see this happen! I can’t wait to see Toy Story in the way it was originally presented in theaters!

It’ll be as close as we can get anyway. the print still has ~28 years of fading and aging on it but from what we’ve seen it should still be kick ass.

TristAndShout64 said:

Catsyz said:

TristAndShout64 said:

zerocool said:

TristAndShout64 said:

zerocool said:

yooo this so so hype. Donation sent i cant wait to see the results.

does this have the dolby digital 5.1 track to be scanned on it too or will that need to be sourced from a laserdisc for the theatrical mix?

Thank you so much! Glad you’re as excited about it as I am 😁

As far as I can tell the print only has an analogue audio track, so we’ll probably want the laserdisc audio. There was also a DTS laserdisc if we wanted to use that.

the ac3 track on the laserdisc has a good chance of being the theatrical mix(plus ive got it if its needed 😛) dunno much about the dts mix but laserdisc and even most dvd dts mixes were kick ass. so cant hrut to look into it

Nice, I think it’s for sure worth including both. I also know that metahades has reached out to me and offered to provide other language tracks, which I’ll be following up with him on.

Catsyz said:

TristAndShout64 said:

zerocool said:

yooo this so so hype. Donation sent i cant wait to see the results.

does this have the dolby digital 5.1 track to be scanned on it too or will that need to be sourced from a laserdisc for the theatrical mix?

Thank you so much! Glad you’re as excited about it as I am 😁

As far as I can tell the print only has an analogue audio track, so we’ll probably want the laserdisc audio. There was also a DTS laserdisc if we wanted to use that.

The print on the eBay listing does seem to have a Dolby Digital track in between the sprocket holes. But I agree that it would easier to use the laserdisc audio.

Oh yeah, you’re totally right now that I look at it again. Of course as the resident newbie I have no idea where to look for these sorts of things 😛

I imagine it would be easier to just supply the Laserdisc audio assuming there are no differences between the two. Not that I know what scanning a Dolby digital audio track would entail.

I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve heard that when Team Negative 1 were releasing 4K83 (Return of the Jedi), they were able to use the analog stereo track on the print. So it could be possible to extract the analog audio from the print, but I don’t have clue how it’s done. Lol

I think using the DTS laserdisc audio might be the best option.
I just think that using the Dolby Digital or analog tracks would be more authentic. 😊

I imagine we can include multiple audio options somehow. I myself would really love to be able to hear the analog track!

The analog track should be the same stereo mix thats on the laserdisc’s pcm track. but as far as getting the audio off the film. The scanner will scan the optical/analog audio track while it does the film and convert that to pcm to go along side the film’s video scan. If the scanner has the ac3 attachment it would work the same. so if nothing else the film scan should come with the analog/optical audio track along side the video.

As far as the DTS laserdisc track. IF it is the same mix as the ac3 laserdic its higher bitrate/fidelity would make it the best track to listen to. but if its a different mix than the theatrical/ac3laserdisc 5.1 mix then it would just be a neat curiosity not the best way to listen. we’d have to get a dts disc and have it captured and compare everything about them to tell.

TristAndShout64 said:

zerocool said:

yooo this so so hype. Donation sent i cant wait to see the results.

does this have the dolby digital 5.1 track to be scanned on it too or will that need to be sourced from a laserdisc for the theatrical mix?

Thank you so much! Glad you’re as excited about it as I am 😁

As far as I can tell the print only has an analogue audio track, so we’ll probably want the laserdisc audio. There was also a DTS laserdisc if we wanted to use that.

the ac3 track on the laserdisc has a good chance of being the theatrical mix(plus ive got it if its needed 😛) dunno much about the dts mix but laserdisc and even most dvd dts mixes were kick ass. so cant hrut to look into it

yooo this so so hype. Donation sent i cant wait to see the results.

does this have the dolby digital 5.1 track to be scanned on it too or will that need to be sourced from a laserdisc for the theatrical mix?

MonkeyLizard10 said:

zerocool said:

It would just be nice to have a one stop source to know what theatrical or otherwise rare sound tracks can be found if one wants to sync them to a bluray or udh bluray or even webdl in some cases. 😃

The theatrical ac3 5.1 mix for starwars episode one is on its japanese laserdisc.

The original mixes for a lot of 90s/00s can be found on Cinema DTS discs such as for example for TPM mentioned above.

True, but those werent sold to the public. 😦

this is pretty neat I’ll have to donate once its pay day!

Is there any truth to the rumor that this ( https://images.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/6070_large.jpg ) french bluray for t2 has the CDS soundtrack in lossless english?

It would just be nice to have a one stop source to know what theatrical or otherwise rare sound tracks can be found if one wants to sync them to a bluray or udh bluray or even webdl in some cases. 😃

The 70mm split surround 5.1 test track for the original superman movie is on the 2018 UHD bluray release, it was removed in favor of the 35mm dolby stereo mix in the 2023 re-release of its uhd.

The original 1989 dolby stereo mix for the little mermaid is only on its 1990 laserdisc and vhs release. The 1997 theatrical remix’s dolby stereo is on the 1998 laserdisc, the 1997 theatrical ac3 remix is on the 1998 laserdisc as well as the 1999 dvd.

The 70mm 4.1 track for Alien(1979) is in lossless format on its UHD release, and lossy 640kbps ac3 on seemingly all of its bluray releases. A pre-release 4.1 soundmix is available in ac3 on the 1995 laserdisc.

The 70mm 4.1 track for Aliens(1986) is in lossy 640kbps ac3 on seemingly all of its bluray releases.

Terminator 2 has its 5.1 CDS soundtrack on the 1997 dvd and its accompanying laserdisc, as well as a rare japanese dvd in full bitrate DTS.

The 1998 laserdisc for who framed roger rabbit has a 5.1 ac3 track that is supposed to be based off of its dolby 70mm sound mix.

The 3.0 sound track for lady and the tramp is available on its blurays.

The 4.0 mix for sleeping beauty is available on its blurays.

The 70mm sound mix for the black cauldron is the main track on its bluray.

The 4.1 70mm mix for top gun is on both its 1997 laserdisc and its original run dvd.

The theatrical ac3 5.1 mix for toy story is on its laserdisc.

The theatrical ac3 5.1 mix for lion king is on its laserdisc.

The theatrical ac3 5.1 mix for “the mask” is on its laserdisc releases from after ac3 was put onto laserdiscs.

The disney laserdisc release of kiki’s delivery service has an ac3 5.1 track that was only included on this relase and was presumably use for its showing at the Seattle International Film Festival.

The theatrical ac3 5.1 mix for starwars episode one is on its japanese laserdisc.

The 1997 laserdisc release of Rocky had a semi unique 5.1 mix that was only released on it, the accompanying dvd, and the 2003 DTS(half bit rate) dvd. the other dvds and blurays have a slightly different less boomy mix.

Thats all i care about off the top of my head but i know there are others.

JF_Sanderson said:

stwd4nder2 said:

JF_Sanderson said:
Q1: better choices for soundmix on these two movies?

For Aladdin the best sounding audio is from the 35mm scan. You can find a version of that synced to the UHD. For TLM, probably one of the LDs.

Hmm I found a 35mm film scan of Aladdin, with 2.0 optical and 2.0 Laserdisc audio. I’ll compare them when I can use my hifi. The optical still has the censored lyric.

Doctor M said:

Little Mermaid and Aladdin were orignaly Dolby stereo. Everything since then is an upmix.

I do know the Little Mermaid had a surround up/re-mix for the theatrical re-release and that track was included on the first DVD. After that you start getting Disney’s crap home theater mixes instead.
I’m not sure about the history of Aladdin, I’d assume it’s identical since the 35mm transfer is also a 5.1 DTS track.

Most of the audio coming from the from would be the most accurate.

Btw, I’ve seen the 35mm audio track of Aladdin, but where I found it they don’t have it synced to any video because of site rules (or something). You may have to sync the track yourself, but it’s worth it since there were lyric and dialog changes. Little Mermaid, afaik, doesn’t suffer from that.

Have not found the Aladdin theatrical 5.1. On an old laserdisc site I read mention that it did have some 5.1 theatrical presentations, not just Dolby Stereo, and this 5.1 carried over to LD and the first DVD (which also had a separate home theater 5.1 mix.)

I could sync it myself if I had it available. So anybody feel free to pm me. My only real frame of reference (besides the 7.1) is the vhs and old cassette soundtrack. I suppose what I’m seeking is a version of the film as dynamic as the soundtrack album, but I don’t know of one exists.

As for Little Mermaid, it wasn’t just heavy fronts, it was the mono vocals coming out all the speakers. I read Lion King had that same 7.1 remix problem but haven’t seen/heard it.

Little mermaid had 4.1 dolby 6 track stereo/70mm surround sound mixes in addition to dolby stereo 4.0 matrix for its original theatrical run in 89. the dolby stereo was a matrix downmix without the extra base of the 70mm track. only the dolby stereo was ever released on LD

for aladdin and the little mermaids 5.1 laserdisc tracks(and limited issue dvd little mermaid release) their 5.1 was the 98 and 97( respectively) theatrical re-release ac3 remixes, those laserdisc’s dolby stereo track is a downmix of said remix. so if you want the original dolby stereo for them you need the original laserdisc/vhs release not the 2nd release from the late 90s.

That said i personally prefer their theatrical re-relese ac3 and have the little mermaid’s sycn’d to the 4k release even. Since those are discrete and still faithful to the original release but have kick butt base

My deaer sir, if you are watching on an sdr monitor you would be best served by the normal bluray release of the film not the uhd bluray.

woah this is so cool. especially since you have made the closest thing to the original 5.1 thats ever been done outside of theaters. I will be watching this project more closely. hopefully it gets ‘out there’ 😉

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind digital laserdisc sound track (im told my method should be bit perfect)
cap’d at 44.1khz exported at 48khz flac.
sync’d to the japanese bluray

Goofy movie digital laserdisc sound track
cap’d at 44.1khz, I think I exported it at the same 44.1khz but its been well over a year since i did it i dont remember.
syn’c to the disney bluray

if possible id be down for one too. if not thats fine 😃

this is gonna be cool cant wait to see it all done

FWIW ive got a version of this on the cat website with the laserdisc pcm and the laserdisc 5.1 of the disney dub sycn’d to the japanese bluray. I can dm the link if people want. Also has the streamline dub. all lossless of course