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#1324621
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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And since I read the screenplay I thought I would give my impressions.

First, I was struck at some of the obvious reuse of dialog from the OT. I was also struck at how much this and the final TROS parallel each other. I can see now why they still have credit for the story.

Second. I hate the ending. Rey and Kylo really don’t have a fair battle. Kylo is way over powered. I do like the epilogue. I like seeing the training start right away. I like how they had an award ceremony like in ANH. That would have been the perfect ending.

Third, this reads like a really rough draft of TROS. I see all the same events, but the order and location are changed. And Palpatine is added. Like TFA is based on the Lucas treatment for VII, TROS is based on this script.

I found Mortis to be a waste in this. Moving it to a different planet made sense. Creating a Sith planet with Palpatine at the center feel more powerful. More epic. It raises the stakes. I like how in TROS the First Order hasn’t solidified their hold where here more time has passed. I do like how we see the more evil side to the First Order here, but enough is implied in the ST that it isn’t really needed. And I didn’t see much to the Stormtrooper rebellion. It was just one group with the rest of the surface battle being the locals. Other reviews make it sound like a grand and widespread stormtooper rebellion and it really isn’t. And what they ended up with in TROS has some nice echoes of this without letting it distract.

And I really don’t like a Sith teacher. That really goes against the rule of two. I just really have problems with Kylo in this script. As the last Skywalker, he really deserved better. I like that they flopped some of the scenes in for TROS. It really is clear that they continued development on the story rather than throw it out. I see so much of where TROS ended up in this. It is clearly the source.

Overall I think it is a great script. Worthy of being a early draft of a Star Wars movie. But in the end I don’t think it is up to being a shooting script.

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#1324618
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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Yeah, I don’t see Disney corporate telling Lucasfilm what to do. Especially not Kennedy with her reputation at producing great movies.

Lucas turned in treatments. That is a rough story outline that goes over the story in the broadest terms. He also had some concept art done. We know that TFA started out pretty much as he intended. We don’t know much more than that. He did come back to help with the story of TROS. As far as I know it was a meeting with him, Abrams, and Terrio to discuss the movie at a treatment level or an early draft of the script.

If you have every bothered to research how movies evolve during the writing process, you will know that what Lucas wrote out was not likely to make it to the screen. The story changes greatly as it gets scripted and then it goes through many revisions, even during shooting and editing. Movies are in a constant state of flux until the final cut is sent out for duplication. So what the earliest treatments or drafts have very often does not get into the final film. Often entire scenes are rewritten and reshot and swapped out. My DVD/BR collection is full of delted and alternate scenes that would really change the nature of the film. Some are great and I wonder why they change it and some are really bad and I’m so glad they did change it. Disney’s Tangled had an entire section that was cut but is still referenced in the end credits (parts of the story are done in a rough animation while the credits role and retell the story). Star Wars movies are not an exception.

What you see in this draft script is an early concept of the film. Most of it got dumped and evidently some of it before Trevorrow left. Was it Disney? Kennedy? or Trevorrow himself? You can’t say from the available information, but Disney is the least likely. The entire creative process used in movie making is the most likely reason for all the changes. Just look at ANH and all the changes it went through. And the ones we know of from TESB and ROTJ. And the fact that Trevarrow and Connolly still have credit on the film is testament to how the final film evolved from their original concept. Ultimately this script is a snapshot of where the movie was at that point in time. Even if this had been greenlit as the shooting script, the final movie would not have been exactly this. So if you read this and see it as what we didn’t get, you are mistaken.

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#1324513
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GOUT with prequel music/leitmotifs?
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I see each trilogy having its own themes. There is some crossover, but adding too much PT music to ANH would not be a good thing. It is the only film I think needs some editing (when doing a fan edit) and I intend to add Vader’s theme in a couple of places. It has to feel natural and something you’d almost miss. Though a small bit of music toward the end of the duel might fit in nicely.

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#1324512
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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StarkillerAG said:

yotsuya said:

I think the key to why some of us think TROS is a good final film is how epic the battle is. The series is titled Star Wars. The hallmark of the series has been the space battles. In TROS we get one actually in the atmosphere of Exogol. I really haven’t head anything about this that has any descent space battle. I think the Stromtrooper rebellion is a cool idea, but one that needs more time to play out. That would have been a cool thing to have Finn and Rose address in TLJ instead of Fathiers and gamblers. But to bring it out just in the final film seems a little rushed to me. For me, the epic nature of Palaptine, a fleet of planet killers, and so many other things about TROS just were so much better than what I see here. I just don’t see the epic nature and how that adds to the saga lore.

I don’t know why you think the battle of Coruscant wouldn’t have been “epic.” Based on the script’s description, it sounds like the biggest battle in Star Wars yet. A massive citizen uprising occurs on the ground level, while an Eclipse class dreadnought struggles to survive against the entire First Order fleet. The battle of Exegol in TROS even copied a moment directly from the battle of Coruscant, Lando’s “on your left” moment. So I think people who watch Star Wars for the cool spaceship action would be mostly satisfied by Trevorrow’s version.

I didn’t say epic enough. I said it wasn’t a space battle.

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#1324499
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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I want to read every draft of every one of the films. Not possible with what is currently out there.

I think the key to why some of us think TROS is a good final film is how epic the battle is. The series is titled Star Wars. The hallmark of the series has been the space battles. In TROS we get one actually in the atmosphere of Exogol. I really haven’t head anything about this that has any descent space battle. I think the Stromtrooper rebellion is a cool idea, but one that needs more time to play out. That would have been a cool thing to have Finn and Rose address in TLJ instead of Fathiers and gamblers. But to bring it out just in the final film seems a little rushed to me. For me, the epic nature of Palaptine, a fleet of planet killers, and so many other things about TROS just were so much better than what I see here. I just don’t see the epic nature and how that adds to the saga lore.

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#1324468
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Does Kylo really deserve to be redeemed? Did he deserve to be Reys love interest?
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I think some may have missed some of the setup for Kylo. He was already troubled when Luke started training him. He was already heading down that path. Something in him was seeking and he settled on Vader, his grandfather. For 23 years he held the power of the galaxy in his hands. He was the right hand of the Emperor. He was mythic. Kylo worships him as a hero. To us he is the villain. His path goes along a dark path that culminates in him killing his father. But even doing that doesn’t bring any peace. Instead he kills his teacher, Snoke. That doesn’t bring any peace. Kylo is still conflicted. And Rey is a key player. She can see the conflict. She helps bring out the conflict. Between Rey and Leia, they finally reach him. There is always hope. That has really been a theme of the saga. That there is always hope. Hope in a rebellion, a resistance, hope for a father, hope for a son. It is a timeless message about not giving up on people. Luke doesn’t give up on Vader so why should anyone in the ST give up on Kylo?

And as for Kylo’s acts being less evil than Vader… seriously… the younglings… Vader starts off with an act so horrible that not a single thing in the rest of the saga compares to it. Such things were only implied until the PT came out, but his force choking was pretty damned evil to start with.

Why did Lucas and Abrams include redemption for Vader and Kylo? Because we all need hope. Hope that we can change our worst aspects. And Luke in the ST falls into that line of thinking as well. What if we learned our lesson and changed and then fell back to our old habits. Yes, even that can be changed. It gives people struggling with demons hope of finding a way out. And who knows, the stories of their misfortunes might steer some clear of falling into the trouble in the first place. These are issues as old as our species. Vader and Kylo are fallen heroes. Those who made them fall do not fare so well, but they have the chance to be redeemed.

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#1324419
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’ll have to read it and see if anything could be nodded to in a fan edit.

Oddly enough, there are a couple lines in this (like verbatim) that I had the idea to include in a fan edit right after I saw the movie two months ago, way before the leak. I will say at this point I think only one of them can be accomplished, but still.

StarkillerAG said:

yotsuya said:

idir_hh said:

Full Colin Trevarrow script:
https://mega.nz/#!MegFDK7Y!dK6dhZsRXTmIgZ39l9719Macz1TQCZQtlhSCz0EdmOI

Thanks. I’ve added it to my script collection and I’ll give it a read when I have a chance. Again, I think having Kylo so conflicted for three films and it not ending in his redemption is a mistake.

It does end with his redemption though. At the end of the movie, Kylo learns how to drain the life force out of people, and uses it to drain Rey’s life force. Just when he’s about to kill Rey, Leia talks to him through the force, convincing him to give some of his life force back to Rey, sacrificing himself to save her. It’s a last minute redemption, but it’s still a redemption.

Here’s what’s dumb about this and why it is in no way a redemption: he is the one who is about to kill her, and his redemption is just deciding not to, and sacrificing himself so that she doesn’t die - except she still fucking dies.

Thanks for the detailed pro/con list. Sounds like the cons are pretty significant. I think what this story does with Kylo makes it worse than what we got in TROS. Make that Kylo and Poe. Sounds like he concentrated on Rey, Finn, and Rose.

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#1324380
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Ronster said:

Yes I agree it is an assembly and it would have had for instance different options included within it.

My point about montross is that this was turned into a continuation of the Jabba scene first and unwritten if we are to trust the actor that originally played greedo.

Then a new version was filmed during principle photography that allowed for another option and a much better way to do the scene.

It is an assembly of options all on the table at once. You will have multiple takes of scenes also perhaps strung together it would not be like watching a film but multiple versions of scenes with options. At 13 reels it will have a lot of alternate angles and various dialogue changes and tonality deliverance of lines from actors.

It’s not that there is a massive amount more just that there are options to what is there with a bit of deleted scenes naturally most things are alternatives than a deleted scene in film.

My dear Ronster, what came before the shooting script is of little importance because it WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FILMED. There would be nothing to include in a rough cut of the film. That is what the lost cut is, a rough cut of the film. The first cut of the film I believe. It led to changing editors, lots of lines being trimmed, and lots of frames being trimmed in other places. So if you have valid information on something that was shot or if your research into trying to figure out if the shots in some scenes were reordered based on the sound mix, then you would contribute, but continuing to go back to much earlier drafts that had been discarded and bringing up theories that don’t fit the facts as we have them is just getting you in trouble. Download a copy of the shooting script. Read it. Memorize it. That is the guide to what was filmed. That was included in the lost cut. We know a heck of a lot about the filming schedule and can piece together if there was even room for anything extra, but there wasn’t money for it. So chances are that there was nothing filmed that wasn’t in the shooting script.

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#1324377
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Tack said:

Ronster said:

Look I made a mistake apologies about that but I did note that the Alien yet to be named Greedo apeared on 4th Draft revised not on 4th Draft so it is safe to assume that Montross became Greedo in the re-write that was the main point, but it negates the need for the Jabba scene IMO but would still be included in an assembly.

This is an alternate angle for scene D42.

I actually think you’re right about this. The novelization and Titleman script both describe this scene opening with the graphic of the star chart. They’re also in the same positions as in the final film. Either this is an alternate angle which they discarded in lieu of the single take used in the final film, or there was originally an establishing shot.

Or its a behind the scenes photo.

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#1324375
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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StarkillerAG said:

I feel like we’re missing the point here. In my opinion, the biggest problem with TLJ’s themes is how some actions are portrayed as heroic at first, then unheroic later. Poe’s dreadnought attack and the bomber run are portrayed as a brave sacrifice in the moment, but just a few scenes later Leia slaps him in the face for it. Holdo is portrayed as an incompetent idiot for most of the second act, until it’s revealed that she actually had an amazing plan all along, and all that work getting the audience invested in Poe, Finn, and Rose was useless. Finn’s suicide attack is portrayed as heroic, with dramatic choir music and slo-mo, up until Rose slams into him and tells him that sacrificing himself to save the Resistance is actually a bad idea. Rian’s storytelling style is thematic whiplash and slapping the audience in the face, and I feel like that doesn’t work when you’re supposed to get the audience invested.

Umm… that wasn’t slow motion in Finn’s attempt on the big gun. That was his ship slowing down because the weapon’s beam was powering up. And I don’t think you’ve watched enough old war movies or MASH. It really isn’t heroic or a victory if you lose most of your forces. Poe wasted his valuable resources for the glory of taking out a big target. Leia humbled him because she saw the potential for a true hero and the story molds him into that. It does deconstruct heroes, but only to the extent that it shows us how not to be a hero and how to really be a hero. Finn was going to die and the gun was not going to be hurt (not enough to even slow them down). Finn refused to see it and was going to try anyway. He is echoing Poe from the opening scene and he is taught the same lesson, but for Finn it is about starting the film by running away and ending the film by championing a cause and living to fight another day. Rian borrowed from a lot of WWII movies for his hero themes and he didn’t go against them, but showed us that bravado and heroics are not the same.

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#1324216
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Remastering the 1981 Episode IV Title/Crawl/Flyover
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have been doing some research on the various version of the 81 crawl that are out there and I have found a wide range. I think what I have discovered is that pretty much every copy that was used for home video transfers was an older copy that had the 81 crawl spliced in. The Spanish THX version is very telling. It does have the English 81 crawl. It doesn’t have the 20th century fox logo or music. It starts with the Dolby clip and then to the Lucasfilm logo with no music. Both the Lucasfilm logo and the A log time ago… card match with the rest of the film. The crawl and flyover do not. For one they are lower down in the frame than the rest of the film. Also, very much like the SSE 81 crawl is too dark and over contrasted, the contrast of the 81 crawl from the Spanish LD is lighter. I have yet to find two versions that are not from the same film source that match. I know of 5 distinct copies and no two are quite the same. Even the colors of the components vary slightly. I just wanted to see if I could pinpoint any major failures in my recreation and I have run out of things to check. I think the color of my planets and star destroyer might be slightly off, but I would rather err on the side of better matching the 77 crawl and the 97 crawl (from the BD and D+ sources) than try to dig further. I don’t think that the source we have are going to reveal much more and I think having it be too far off from the 77 crawl, the 97 crawl, and the only copy we currently have of the 81 crawl itself.

The SSE copy differs from the LD copies in a couple of ways. The planet is more pink, the atmosphere and moons are more blue, the Star Destroyer has not yellow tint to it. So overall, that 35 mm print, as bad as it is, makes me lean closer to the 77 and 97 crawl colors. So I think I might be done, except for inserting some things to make it less perfect.

Also, what file format and bitrate does everyone perfer for 4k output? I don’t work in that resolution myself, but I think making the master render at that resolution will improve the 1080p version (by scaling the 4k down).

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#1324207
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Ronster said:

Sorry just going back to the peter Mayhew script tweets about his shooting script.

I seem to remember a discussion about a scene which is yet another variation at mos - eisley docking bay. Somone coming to tell them that they did not have clearance for travel or could not take off… I don’t remember to be honest. But I do remember people getting excited about the potential character that pays a visit to the falcon before they take off.

Montross character you mentioned he pulls a gun on Han…

The thread is in the general discussions here somewhere in regard to peter mayhew tweets on his shooting script.

Sorry but I am really tired been a busy day I just do not have the energy to search for it right now.

Thanks for the script links

I think the principles likely ended up with a couple of drafts due to the revisions. The screen tests are all from an much older draft that bears little resemblance to the final shooting script. So unless we have a glimpse of the cover page to show us the draft and date, it is more likely to be an older draft and the scene in question was removed on revision and was never shot. All the footage I’ve ever seen matches the shooting script. I’ve never seen or heard of anything to indicate there are any scenes missing that we don’t know about. You have to remember just how much got dumped on the public back in the 70’s in terms of behind the scenes photos. We knew the Biggs scenes had been filmed, although they weren’t seen until the 90’s. so I’d be very surprised to learn now that there was anything of significance beyond alternate takes and what was cut from the shooting script in the Lucasfilm archives. Not impossible, but it would be something that Lucas imagined he might need. But the shoot was never that ahead of schedule or ahead of budget to do things like that. The evidence just doesn’t support it.

I’m more interested in what has made it out of the archives to be able to reorder and expand the movie to get closer to a previous edit. I really want to put in all the cut scenes (97 Jabba because I think they got some things right, although the base CG model is very wrong). And I would imagine that the lost cut had nearly all of those cut scenes in it (with the human Jabba).

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#1324043
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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I hope this isn’t too far off base, but this article (while interesting of itself) lists 2 early showings of Star Wars in 1977. The first isn’t dated, but the other was on May 1.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/he-was-star-wars-secret-weapon-why-was-he-forgotten-1275211

As we look at the state of the film, it gets closer to the final cut as we get closer to release, and closer to the lost cut as we go back.

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#1324017
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Ronster said:

yotsuya said:

I hope we can keep the discussion open about what was shot and what might be included in this cut. But I think it is clear that the Lost Cut we are discussing probably followed the script pretty closely and that a lot of trimming was done to get down to the final edit. I have an fan edit in mind that would put back and undo as many of the changes as are possible, but with the final music and FX left in place. So I am very interested in what all exists that we can use to get as close as possible to this cut.

I Think the video on the lost cut was good overall I have pointed out where I disagree on one point. I don’t really feel it is possible to talk openly about it here. If I start to try to explain why I said something it will cause even more trouble.

Nobody has to agree with my opinions I don’t mind people disagreeing with me. As much as I would like to elaborate on what I said and the reason why I said it and I do feel the greedo Rhodian character scene is legit I don’t think the actor under the mask is a liar. You will have to think about what I normally look for and what I normally talk about…

I don’t actually have anything else to say because it would not be relevant to the black and white first assembly…Although the falcon shoot out is.

You also must remember in the video from this thread it talks about the script being changed many times throughout shooting. I don’t think the script is entirely trustworthy because it is revised to not include many things we know that were shot. It would be good to have the one Peter Mayhew was sharing on twitter… That would be the one you need 😃

There are many versions of the script available, including several different revisions of the 4th draft (the final draft). I think that we know quite a bit about what was in the script at the time of shooting. What we don’t know are what Lucas decided to do on the fly during filming. I would guess very little, but there is little to go on. And I’m not saying the actor is a liar, only that he may not be remembering correctly. It happens to many of us.

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#1323985
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How Many Versions are there of the AOTC
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ChainsawAsh said:

I for one remain convinced that the DLP and DVD versions are the same, but I seem to be the only one. Everyone else assumes that the extension to the Lars garage scene with Anakin and Padme was added for the DVD, but I have my doubts about that.

The 35mm version definitely didn’t have it though, that’s a certainty.

I don’t agree simply because it seems that George can’t help changing things nearly every time he gets his hands on one of his films. Right now my guess is that they are identical or nearly so, but we don’t have that DLP version documented so it remains an unknown. Not knowing plus George’s habit of editing leads me to lean toward they are different in some way.

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#1323863
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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I’m also waiting for the entire script. Whoever is posting these is cherry picking them and I think reading the complete script is the only way to know what kind of quality writing it is.

As for the concept art, look how far things changed for the other movies. Nothing would have looked exactly like the concept art. As cool as it is, it would have been further adapted and altered to get to the final look. This story has some neat concepts, but a few neat concepts, scenes, and art does not make this a better story.

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#1323855
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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I hope we can keep the discussion open about what was shot and what might be included in this cut. But I think it is clear that the Lost Cut we are discussing probably followed the script pretty closely and that a lot of trimming was done to get down to the final edit. I have an fan edit in mind that would put back and undo as many of the changes as are possible, but with the final music and FX left in place. So I am very interested in what all exists that we can use to get as close as possible to this cut.

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#1323832
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Ronster said:

yotsuya said:

Ronster said:

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15809033858840&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fstar-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene%2F

After watching your video this was the main point of contention regarding the falcon gun special effect shot. I know you got that info from a wikipedia page that I feel is incorrect info and I don’t blame you for taking that statement at face value.

The link above describes the shoot out where Greedo comes to collect Jabbas money and they both get caught up with the stormtroopers. Greedo dies and Han escapes.

Kind Regards

I could see George thinking about changing when the Greedo scene happened and how it happened and getting something alternate, but I’m pretty sure that if this was filmed that it was never in any cut.

What you see in the finished film “is” this scene with the greedo / Rhodian character edited out.

And how can you tell? That scene described is not in the script where everything else in the film is. IF it was filmed, and that is a big if, it was an alternate take. You are taking one actor’s word over everything else we have that says that there was never anyone else in that scene. Because one actor says he was in a scene that shouldn’t exist is no reason to insist it should exist. It most certainly wasn’t in the Lost Cut that we are talking about. Or any other cut. From the scene as finished, only Han is shooting. So no trace of it in the script, no trace of it in any known footage, and the conclusion is no alternate scene and the actor is mis-remembering. You have to use logic and reason when researching these things and when you don’t find the evidence, then it never existed. Just like the shot of Luke throwing the grappling hook and missing before he succeeded. I clearly remember it, but there is not a shred of evidence that it ever existed outside the book. It was never in the script. One of those clumsy edits in the film does hint at it, but as far as we can tell, it is just the shot that fit when editing, even though the continuity is off.

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#1323767
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How Many Versions are there of the AOTC
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There are a few things we don’t know regarding the versions. We do know that theatrically there was the 35 mm version (the camera prints), the digital version (no copy exists), and the IMAX version (no copy exits, though many related what they noticed was missing). We do know that from the 35 mm to the DVD several things were changed and then more changes for the BR (none for the D+ version have been noted). It is possible that the DVD version was the original digital cinema version and it is possible some changes were made and they are different. We’d need to uncover the digital version to be sure. Until we have something more concrete, we can assume there were up to 5 versions, but definitely 4 that we can document.

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#1323765
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Tack said:

Ronster said:

The torture droid scene on the deathstar has the guard by the door change to a diffetent actor… Is this a reshoot? Which actor was the original actor for the scene? I have often wondered about this or if it was a bad shot of the torture droid entering the door? Could be anything really only we know something was reshot meaning something there was swapped. Or the droid itself was not ready in time? Perhaps it was an addition to the scene?

I really don’t know the answer only that the Guard by the door changes.

That is interesting. We do know about a few reshot scenes for Empire Strikes Back, but not very many for the original Star Wars. Star Wars Aficionado did once publish a photograph of the original Leia stun scene; apparently in the original shot there was a very blatant up-skirt that had to be toned down.

There’s many explanations for that actor change. The most probable one is that the two shots were captured on different days and the coverage cut together well enough that they didn’t feel a need to correct it. Once you start trying to track the smaller actors (Rebel pilots, Imperial commanders), you realize there was too much for the continuity people to keep track of effectively. Nobody but us madmen are going to notice things like this. 😃

There is a possibility of some original reshot scenes existing in Jympson’s original assembly. The location shooting was definitely done and over with by this point (so Luke’s alternate poncho scenes like in the canyon were likely never part of an edit unless Jympson plainly chose different takes than Chew/Marcia Lucas/Hirsch), but the Elstree shooting at this point would have been very flexible.

I don’t think they did many reshoots. The ones they did do were for the Cantina. The way the film is edited (and after trying to do a scene by scene correction/restoration of the BR I’ve seen some interesting things) seems like they made use of what they had. The FX shots often cover some issues and those were done last. The several shots of R2 from the Death Star control room used for other locations is a good example. And some of the gaffs in the R2 shots (the various versions of the character gave them many issues and you can still see some of them in the final film). Reshoots would have hidden those but weren’t done.

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#1323764
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Star Wars The Lost Cut: Everything We Know About It
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Ronster said:

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15809033858840&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Fstar-wars-greedo-han-solo-deleted-scene%2F

After watching your video this was the main point of contention regarding the falcon gun special effect shot. I know you got that info from a wikipedia page that I feel is incorrect info and I don’t blame you for taking that statement at face value.

The link above describes the shoot out where Greedo comes to collect Jabbas money and they both get caught up with the stormtroopers. Greedo dies and Han escapes.

Kind Regards

I could see George thinking about changing when the Greedo scene happened and how it happened and getting something alternate, but I’m pretty sure that if this was filmed that it was never in any cut.

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#1323430
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I totally agree that the stormtrooper rebellion is a great idea, but it isn’t one that works very well in the context of a typical Star Wars film. Each film is about an event that doesn’t last very long (TESB is kind of an exception but only slightly). Such a rebellion would have been great if they had laid the foundation over three films and then done the payoff, or if they had any hint of it. But in TROS they are portrayed as those who are force sensitive, not just those of conscience. And in many ways they are slaves to the First Order and the first callback to that issue since AOTC.