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#1337044
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Help: looking for... 1997 SE - both the flunk and reivax versions
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ShiftyEyes said:

Interesting. I forgot about these versions. I even recently made a custom Blu-ray using the TB version. Turns out I have a DVD copy of the “flunk” version. Looks pretty good and I like the colors.

Seems there was some considerable noise reduction applied to the master for the '97 SE, resulting in a motion blurring type appearance.

Not as bad as the GOUT master.

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#1336726
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

My biggest “compromised purism” in Star Wars is wanting to conform the BR cut of TPM to the theatrical cut - that is, keep the editing of the theatrical cut exactly, but with all the visual updates of the BR (CGI Yoda, mainly).

It’s the only one where something like that would outright replace any official version forever for me.

But Creepy Puppet Yoda™ looks infinitely better than CGI Yoda. CG Yoda constantly has his head at a downward angle and looks up at the people he’s talking to only with his eyes, and he lacks the little bit of expression that CPY had left. Screw consistency, I prefer a decent but weird puppet that looks nothing like the character over awkward CGI that still looks nothing like the character. 😛

I HATE creepy puppet Yoda. HATE!!!

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#1336725
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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ChainsawAsh said:

My biggest “compromised purism” in Star Wars is wanting to conform the BR cut of TPM to the theatrical cut - that is, keep the editing of the theatrical cut exactly, but with all the visual updates of the BR (CGI Yoda, mainly).

It’s the only one where something like that would outright replace any official version forever for me.

I have made that version. Thanks to finding the original pod race sequence in HD. I had to do a custom edit to remove the speeder flight on Coruscant, but the extended scene has coverage to make it similar.

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#1334271
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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Zero is fun for a laugh, but he got toxic real fast when more reliable sources countered his and turned out to be true. I stopped watching when he started to go negative. But he has a great imagination. Just too toxic and right now I don’t care. What he made of the tiny leaks that went around was an incredible fantasy. Too bad he is wasting it on being so negative.

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#1333989
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Help: looking for... 1997 SE - both the flunk and reivax versions
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The versions you want to download if you speak English are the TB broadcast of the Trilogy. GKAR is in German (dual audio English German) and Reviax is in French (and ANH only) with dual language. If you are after image quality only, GKAR is the best (sharpest, least noise and blurring), but the one labeled TB is the best overall. They are better quality than the LD archived version, which is also a good choice since finding an LD player that can do them justice is very hard and very expensive. And even the best player won’t yield a good image for modern widescreen TV’s.

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#1333987
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Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP)
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Maaga said:
There also seems to be a lack of rich blue that is suddenly corrected. Palpatine’s outfit turns really blue (and I love it) in one shot but that disappears in the next. I also miss the rich blue the royal guards had.

I had the chance to go to the Star Wars costume exhibit. None of the costumes for TPM had rich blues in them. Palaptine’s was dark turquoise and purple, and the guards were very dark. I too remember seeing TPM where it had very rich blues, but that doesn’t appear to be accurate to the actual film. And from the way the movie was processed, the Blu-ray version is probably more accurate to what was shot than whatever film print we saw in 1999. I think I was at a 70 mm premier. But the costumes definitely had no bright blues. The handmaiden costumes on the other hand were very intense orange and red. And that does show up in many shots. But I spent countless hours trying to get the blues I remembered until I actually saw the costumes in person and found out that there was no such blue in them.

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#1333633
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

it was done last minute, so no.

Why does Star Wars always have to end this way?
I mean, most of us still dig RotJ, but can’t deny that aspects were rushed & the film is hurt because of it.
RotS is an obvious rushed attempt to cram in what should’a been spread across all 3 films.
The PT & ST’s both should’a had a much better plan laid out before film rolled. Why fly by the seat of yer pants with such a HUGE franchise? Why not take comfort in knowing you have a solid plan before going into production?

You just proved that the way the ST was finished very much matches how George probably would have ended up doing it. He did have a script that he broke into 3 to make the original film, but he never followed that original plan. For the PT he and all of us knew that it would end with Darth Vader, but as you point out, the way he did it felt rushed. I thought AOTC and ROTS were far faster paced and felt more rushed than TROS. I guess it is kind of a story template at this point. I hope they drop it for any future movies.

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#1333173
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Luke used that saber, as Rey did, but it really belonged to Anakin. TROS followed ROTJ’s example for who the last Jedi sees. Luke saw the figures important to him and Rey saw the ones important to her. The sabers have no relation to the people seen. Rey interred them in the only place associated with the Skywalker family.

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#1332756
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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ZigZig said:

Fang Zei said:

ZigZig said:

There is more changes thant those 4 known changes (ex: the invasion of Naboo was rerendered with different ships, the external view of Palpatine’s office was deleted, the sound was totally remixed) , but it is probably not the point of this discussion.

Ah, forgot about the Naboo invasion. After all these years my memory is a little blurry, but I want to say the view from the window of Theed Palace was re-done? Or are there other shots I’m forgetting about?

Yes, there are other shots. Ex: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1B01NNNU

That is the BR. That is a different beast entirely. My statement was 4 differences between the original theatrical version and the DVD/EU HD broadcast. The BR has a huge number of differences that I have not bothered to look at because other the 4 changes from the theatrical verison, they are all available in good quality HD.

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#1332754
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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ZigZig said:

There is more changes thant those 4 known changes (ex: the invasion of Naboo was rerendered with different ships, the external view of Palpatine’s office was deleted, the sound was totally remixed) , but it is probably not the point of this discussion.

Not sure what invasion scene you are talking about. I just went over the three shots of the landing craft descending and landing and not one frame has a noticeable difference. I checked the EU widescreen broadcast (which was before the changes and matches the VHS and Japanese LD) with the EU HD broadcast. Nothing with the landing craft was redone. And Palpatine’s office is part of the known change, so that isn’t something different. That change involves the transition from the preceeding and following scenes and the shots in the middle. There are only 4 known differences between the original and the DVD/EU HD broadcast.

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#1332745
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Here is what you get with a 2k film in 4k. You get finer noise from video compression artifacts and so what you see is closer to the uncompressed 2k version of the film. So you do get a better film experience with 4k. Even if the content is upscaled. If the goal is as close to an uncompressed film experience as possible, then a 2k film on a 4k disc and a 4k screen is the closest you can get. It is not pointless.

Also, The Phantom Menace is not from any 1999 versions. The 1999 digital version (nicely captured and share in 1080p) is more cropped and has different colors. It was rescanned for the Blu-ray and has different colors and more image. If there is any piece of the 1999 DI, it is likely the original pod race sequence that was released in HD. It is more cropped than the BR but it doesn’t seem as cropped as the DVD and EU HD broadcast.

And I would like to see if anyone can confirm the subtitles. If any of the films have burned in subtitles on them I likely won’t want the set. I want a capture of TFA from Disney+ because it DOESN’T have burned in subs.

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#1332527
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

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#1332523
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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ZigZig is 100% correct. The DVD was made from the same master as the VHS and LD from 2000. The only difference are the 4 known changes. This was also aired in the EU in HD. It features a more cropped picture and a different color grade. The BR was a new scan (it might have been 4k since we are talking 2011) and features the CG Yoda to match the other two PT movies. But this new version is NOT a new scan and features no known changes. Same colors, same shots, nothing new. And no sign that it was a native 4k scan (not that it would make any difference in the FX shots which were 2k to start with).

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#1332519
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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ray_afraid said:

The Emperors return, no matter how it’s handled, nullifies Anakins sacrifice, Luke’s mission to redeem him & therefore entire point of the OT.
Seems like a bad idea.

How does it do any of that? Palpatine died, Anakin balanced the force, none of that changed in the slightest. The Empire still fell. Just because TROS created a tribe of Sith followers who brought Palpatine back to life does not change a single event or meaning of a single even in the OT.

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#1332230
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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Are we really sure the new version is a new 4K scan? The DVD version and the BR version are distinctly different scans and have different cropping and colors, but the Disney+ stream that has been shared has the exact same colors as the BR version. I think it has less DNR, but I believe it is the same 2k/1080p scan. And the movie has so many FX and all the FX were composited digitaly so most of the movie is only in 2k max and has to be upscaled to 4k anyway so I don’t think Lucasfilm did more than pull out their original scan and reprocess it for 4k. Basically they did the same thing for all three PT films. Unless there is evidence that the 4k discs and the Disney+ stream are any different then this is NOT a new scan from what we got on the BR, just a better copy of it.

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#1332118
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Tantive3+1 said:

Darth Dougal said:

Apologies if anyone else commented on this previously, but I wonder if LFL/Disney intend to sit on the unreleased footage from Ep. IV etc. and the OT editions until the 50th anniversary of Star Wars?

It’s a horrible thought, but maybe they are already thinking ahead to 2027?

That’s when the 8K versions will be released so probably.

Also besides Greedo saying “Ma Klounkee” and a new sky on Tatooine, what are the other new changes done for the 19SE?

I’ve been trying to compile a list, but so far I haven’t been able to do a side by side. This is what I have so far and I will update it as I find more.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Changes-to-the-Disney-2019-SE-of-the-Original-Trilogy/id/72130

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#1331467
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ROTJ DE Victory Celebration Edit (a Work In Progress)
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Alderaan94 said:

WoW this is fantastic! 4K83 looks really good in 720p and the ending is perfectly edited.

I think SparkySywer was doing it in a different way. Besides using Harmy instead of 4K83 (i personally prefer 4K83) , if i am correct he is using 97 only for the Tatooine-Coruscant transition, using BR for the general Bespin, Tatooine and Corusant scene and First Endor shot ( so It has the edited Jedi Temple and Senate) and I dont know how he managed to change from the 97 transition to BR Coruscant without being noticeable but that is also good.

I personally really like how that test video looks, but maybe is possible to put BR since Luke in front of the pyre, then Bespin BR then Tatooine BR , then 97 Tatooine-Coruscant transition and Coruscant , then BR first Endor scene ( that i also see very blurry specially in the sky in your 97 version, i suppose that is inherent to all 97 versions avaliable due to SD). Then continuing exactly as in your edit.

What do you think?

I dont know if that is possible. Personally, i think how you did It is really good but ofc it would look more HD if is possible to replace Tatoooine, Bespin and the first Endor shot.

I was trying to figure that out. I think I might have a way that minimizes it. I also would prefer the revised Coruscant with the Jedi temple. But what I was after this time was a quick edit as concept.

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#1331441
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ROTJ DE Victory Celebration Edit (a Work In Progress)
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I couldn’t help myself. And in the process I found out I was wrong. The SE end credit music does repeat itself, but it has needs two other edits to make it match the original. I unfortunately don’t think any of the 97 SE can be upgraded to full 1080p so I did it at 720p. I had to add a bit of grain to both the 97 SE and the BR to make it match the 4K83 that I was using, but it looks to be a fairly good match.

So where I cut from 4K83 was when Luke has lit Vader’s pyre and it switches from Luke’s face to the distance shot of him standing in front of the pyre that then pans up. From there it is the 97 SE until it pans back down to Endor again. Then I put in the BR until Luke sees the Force Ghosts appear. Then back to 4K83, but I cut it to match the 97 SE and BR. What they did was split the one shot of the ghosts and insert the first part of Leia coming to get Luke. So I matched it and then goes into the end Credits.

For the audio, I only was working in stereo. I changed the audio earlier than the video. I did it earlier in the funeral pyre sequence, toward the beginning before the music starts. And then it is the AC3 sourced audio from the 97 SE LD. There are three edits to make it match the sequence and running time of the GOUT audio for the end credits. I’m rendering the end sequence (from where Luke flies out of the Death Star) to upload to see what you think.

And I should point out that the 97 SE version I am using is my own. It is upscaled and I think it matches pretty well. The BR shot of Tatooine has more color to it, but the original 97 SE shot of Coruscant has more color (that sequence was also edited to show the PT version of the Jedi Temple and Senate for the BR). There is some missing to be able to cut the BR to match.

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#1331403
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ROTJ DE Victory Celebration Edit (a Work In Progress)
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Alderaan94 said:

yotsuya said:

Yeah, I do all my editing with just stereo audio and then edit the 5.1 mix separately to fit the video and stereo. If you have a clean splice at one or two given points it is pretty easy. From what you describe you want the 1983 version up until that scene and then the 97 version for a bit, and then go back to the 1983 end credits. visually the end credits can be changed after the title card portion when it switches to the crawl. Sound wise that is a harder edit. For the 97 SE the repeated a section of the end credit music so you need to find a spot before that repeat to make your audio splice that won’t be noticeable, or just fix the end credit music by removing that repeat.

That is a problem, yes. SparkySywer, how you did with the end credits? I think best would be using Harmy since when it switches to the crawl like you said and removing the repeat section in SE audio, but still you will need to switch again to Harmy audio because i think SE uses aditional music during the Special Edition credits so you can´t just remove the repeated section and continue with SE music.

No, the only difference between the original and the SE end credit music is that the SE goes back and repeats a section. There is nothing new added and no other changes. If you remove the repeat it will match the original credits. So the only sound issue is nicely matching the original audio to the SE audio.