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#212153
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$36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
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Right. I feel that if this release flops, this has all been in vain. We'll have nothing to fight with anymore. It sucks. It'll cost us money. It may never end...but we won't know until we've tried. Welcome to the world of the hardcore Star Wars OT fan.

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I saw Star Wars 8 times in movie theaters when it was ORIGINALLY released. Yup. Those were the days...by cracky.
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#212146
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$36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
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Originally posted by: Jay
Originally posted by: xpfshostI see NO wisdom in not buying these. Lucas will be justified in the future by saying, "See...I tried to dump these things in '06 and nobody bought them".


It's precisely this attitude that has encouraged Lucas to take advantage of fan loyalty by issuing a release that isn't worthy of even the smallest independent studios.

Nobody would buy this release if it were any other movie. It would be considered unacceptable.


I'm with you 100%...but I'm not hearing any alternatives. It doesn't matter what we think about this release, or what we think Lucas thinks about this release. It's his ball. If it doesn't make him enough money, it wasn't worth it for him to release whatever crap he releases. What happens if these are released in a non-anamorphic version? Do you give up? Do you not buy? What would be proven by not purchasing this release? What will be gained? Writing and telling Lucas now that we want them in an anamorphic format is a good idea...unless they're already prepared for release and/or there isn't time to change them. So we don't buy them. Then what?? Now Lucas has all the ammunition he'd ever need to suppress the OT for good. "Sales were pathetic." No writing campaign, full-page ads, boycott, etc. will change his mind if this release flunks. In my opinion we all would lose then. I think we've made progress in just having him admit that they exist. That's the first step, but probably not the ONLY step.

When do you give up on Star Wars??... Just my opinion, BTW. All other opinions respected

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#212040
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Torn.... To buy, or not to buy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I still cast my vote as planning to buy them, because they are the original versions, and I want the original versions. But I disagree with the logic of buying low-quality products to inspire the release of high-quality products. We're the consumers, damnit! Companies are supposed to compete and pander for our money! We shouldn't just throw it at them in hopes of getting something we want. That's poor consumerism! It's also the same viewpoint that the SE enthusiasts have. "Well, it doesn't matter if there are mistakes on this version, or if the special effects aren't good enough yet. I'll still spend $70 on them, and I'm sure they'll be fixed for the 2007 super special archive holy edition... which I'll also buy!" It's a pretty sad time in the history of economics when consumers become that stupid with their own money. And the sad thing is, I'm in the same pit of despair.


But the problem is that the 'ball' still belongs to Lucas. It's his 'ball' and he can still take his ball and go home if we don't play. He's already made all the money anyone would ever need off these movies. So what if nobody buys the new releases? Just proves him right that nobody wants it and he can lock them away for good. If he was cash-strapped, our wallet would have a vote. Of course, if we play now, he wouldn't think twice about gaining MORE money in the future with a better transfer/release of the OT, would he? You gotta pay to play. Sucks, don't it?

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#212026
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$36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
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Not buying these is not an option for me. Here is my viewpoint:

Not buying these = kissing the OT goodbye forever. We asked for the OT, and we're getting it...not the type of transfer we expected, but the OT nonetheless. I see NO wisdom in not buying these. Lucas will be justified in the future by saying, "See...I tried to dump these things in '06 and nobody bought them". Nobody will question whether they were anamorphic or not.

Buy them now, put the sales through the roof to remove all doubt (numbers don't lie), THEN start hitting GL up for a better transfer. Lucas doesn't read letters/emails/faxes/whatever. He only knows sales numbers. My opinion is to SHOW HIM!! Of course, your viewpoint may differ

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#211994
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Torn.... To buy, or not to buy.
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I'm going to be buying this for two reasons:

1) We demanded the OT...which is what we're getting...warts and all. It may not be the transfer that we EXPECTED, but we ARE getting the OT on DVD. To complain that we're not getting the OT the way we would LIKE it to be on DVD only confirms (in GL's mind) that we're just a bunch of whining losers that are impossible to please.

2) The price I found for it is actually quite reasonable ($36 AR for all 3 titles. See my other post). I paid around $45 for the '04 boxset when that came out! If I'd have to pay $45-$90 I'd be upset. I'm dumping my old boxset on Ebay, so I'm not out a load of cash for this release.

I just don' think it's wise/prudent to keep complaining when he IS giving us the OT on DVD. Once this is released, THEN we can start pushing for a better transfer. If nobody buys this version, Lucas will definitely think he did the right thing by not spending the money to spruce the OT up for this release. Everyone writing letters to Lucas and Co. are just wasting their time, IMHO. Sales are the only things that will sway Lucas. Just an opinion of a diehard OT fan...

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#211948
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$36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Holy crap that is cheep. I might just get it from there. American dollars right?

What code are you talking about? What does "mmten" mean?


Yes, American dollars. There is a box you will encounter while ordering that asks for a "Promotion Code". You enter "mmten" (without quotes) in the box during checkout.

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#211880
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$36 pre-order (AR) for all 3 titles...anyone found it cheaper??
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The cheapest I've found it for pre-order right now is around $36.21 AR (including 6% tax for me) for all three. This is pre-ordering them at FYE.com with a 10%-off code (mmten). $7 mail-in rebate for each title. Free shipping. $57.21 total - $21 rebates = $36.21. Anyone found it any cheaper?? I'd like to give Lucas as LITTLE as possible for this crap!

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#72061
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DVD+R compatable players
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Originally posted by: Darth_Oatmeal
This is a GREAT resource for all players and media/file formats.


http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php


You beat me to it! I was gonna post that website today. Great website. Just do a search for your model and it'll give you other people's experience with that player. Lots of other info there as well.

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#68992
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Maybe some hope, recent interview with lucas
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Interesting interview, and maybe a faint glimmer of hope. However, after seeing the documentary on the bonus disk of the new trilogy dvds, I've just about lost all hope. He's adamant that these are HIS movies and that he'll do with them whatever he wants. Of course, he's only saying that because LOADS of people are still BUYING THEM...so he's feeling justified right about now. It seems that those of us who signed the petition here are Lucas' fleas...we just annoy him, but don't represent any real deterrent to him. Lucas would've been NOTHING (compared to what he is now) if it weren't for those of us who supported him when Starwars first came out. We made him wealthy. And now, the wealth has gone to his head. As long as people keep buying the stuff, he'll keep doing things 'his way'. It's not like his fans were complaining that his movies weren't good enough or 'complete'...it's always been HIM complaining. Weren't these always considered the greatest movies of all time...even BEFORE the changes?? Now, there is no more loyalty to the fans who put him where he is today...and that is sad. And I always thought that the most important rule in show business was to 'give the fans what they want'. End of rant.

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#67258
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when did you see SW first...
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Looks like I'm the eldest fan in this thread so far! I saw Starwars in the theater in 1977. I was 14. Then I saw it at least 8 more times in the theater that year. It was stuff I'd never seen before and was so realistic to me that I felt transported to a different place...for about 2 hours You left the theater and you were just numb all over. You went home with all these scenes and images racing through your mind for days on end. It swept through my junior high along with the popularity of KISS (posters everywhere). Can't remember who I went with to see Starwars or where I went to see it (I remember going by myself several times), but I remember being in line for ROTJ on opening night and saw it with a REALLY rowdy crowd. It was great. I think the release of Starwars left an impression on me that will possibly never be repeated again. It was such a change from what I expected to see from a movie. When they released the short film reels of pieces of the movie, I bought one (mine was a scene in bens place and a fight between the Millenium Falcon and Tie Fighters...color, but no sound, just subtitles!). Still have it! Then I bought the VHS trilogy when it first came out, and then the next 2 versions ending with the SE. For people like me, it was always me being disappointed by myself about the changes being made. More recently it was frustration at why the originals weren't available on DVD (greatest movies of all time not on DVD???). Now I have kids who are into Starwars and am trying to explain to them why I feel the way I do. I try to show them the changes between the movies...and they keep asking, "Why did Mr. Lucas do that for??" What do you tell them?? Just bought a Tie Fighter vehicle and X-wing the other day at TRU...for my kids I never had any Starwars toys when I was young. I still remind my parents of that occasionally I'll never outgrow Starwars.

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#66982
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Star Wars DVD Covers
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Are there any Definitive Laserdisc DVD covers (with the Definitive artwork) for the TR47 set that have separate spines for each of the 3 movies? I've only been able to find a multi-disc cover...which doesn't help when I'm looking for a specific movie title. Were there individual covers for each laserdisc in the laserdisc boxset?? Thanks!

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#66976
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You'd think they'd clean this up - the unfixed issues of the 2004 OT SE DVD release...
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I think it might have to do with how you have the black level set on your TV. I'm wondering if some people have the setting higher than others...hence no greenish block around the Tie Fighter. I see it on my TV, but my black setting could probably be higher. Then again, Lucas should've fixed it so it wouldn't be visible no matter what.

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#66714
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My first impression of the new boxset...for what it's worth. (2004 OT DVD SE release)
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I may be a new face, but my heart was here before this site was! I saw Starwars in the theater when it first came out (I was in junior high). Then I saw it at least 8 more times in the theater. It was stuff I'd never seen before and was so realistic to me that I felt transported to a different place...for about 2 hours When they released the short film reels of pieces of the movie, I bought that (mine was a scene in bens place and a fight between the Millenium Falcon and Tie Fighters...color, but no sound, just subtitles!). Still have it! Then I bought the VHS trilogy when it first came out and then the next 2 versions ending with the SE. For people like me, it was always me being disappointed by myself about the changes being made. More recently it was frustration at why the originals weren't available on DVD (greatest movies of all time not on DVD???). Now I have kids who are into Starwars and am trying to explain to them why I feel the way I do. I try to show them the changes between the movies...and they keep asking, "Why did Mr. Lucas do that for??" Just bought a Tie Fighter vehicle and X-wing the other day at TRU...for my kids I'll never outgrow Starwars. It's great that this place was so heavily advertised on other websites I visit or I might not be here. It's nice to know this place exists and that others share my passion about the OT.

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#66621
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My first impression of the new boxset...for what it's worth. (2004 OT DVD SE release)
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Look Sir. Droids!: Thanks for the vidcaps. I'd have done it if I had the capability. Still, the vidcaps don't fully show the extent of the crosses. They're REALLY glaring in places! Also, going back to the originals, to be fair, lots of laser explosions were faintly pink in color...although they're MUCH pinker in the new DVD. Also, the door exploding at the beginning of EP4 does get a little washed out on the originals as well, but much more so on the new DVD. The missing trumpet fanfare as the rebels start their attack on the Deathstar is a HUGE mistake.

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#66405
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My first impression of the new boxset...for what it's worth. (2004 OT DVD SE release)
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Forgot to say that some of the Tie fighters still had very visible 'squares' (mat lines?) around them in a few places. The most disconcerting thing for me, though, is still at the beginning where the planet below the Imperial ship looks like it catches fire with blue flames when the ships engines pass overhead. Actually, I found that I couldn't enjoy the movie at all because I kept wondering if what had just appeared on the screen was something new, or something old, or whether I was just imagining it! Thanks alot, George.

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#66387
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My first impression of the new boxset...for what it's worth. (2004 OT DVD SE release)
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Just got the new boxset last night (yeah, yeah, I know…Lucas got more money from me ), and after running through EP4 once, I was left happy and sad. The picture quality is jawdropping compared to what has been available until now. I did notice little things throughout that seem to have been added (extra laser shots here and there) that I’m not sure were on the SE tapes. The worst thing I noticed, IMO, was a lot of what I can only describe as ‘flaring’ (being the non-specialist that I am). The first scene is right at the beginning with the 2 large spaceships fighting.

When the Imperial ships engines come into view, I noticed that not only did the engines glow brightly, but the surface of the planet below also glowed brightly all-of-a-sudden. Weird. I checked a OT version today and this didn’t happen on his. It also seemed to me that many colors were over-saturated (unless my TV needs to be recalibrated…which may be the case).

Also, the reflections of the sun on Tatooine throughout the movie is annoying as there are big, glaring starbursts everytime this happens…like someone overusing one of those lens filters to achieve a cross wherever there is a point of light. I’ll have to go back to the originals and check that as well to see if that’s a new thing. Never noticed it that much before.

Hated the Greedo scene, still. Really, the guy is almost at point-blank range and he STILL missed Solo?? I aso thought that the Jabba the Hut scene was still poorly done. I thought it funny that lots of foley mistakes that I’ve always noticed on the film were not corrected (why not…he’s changing everything else?). Some water splashes in the trash compactor were still missing for instance.

In all, it just seemed that some of the colors were too ‘pumped out’ and some places (like when the stormtroopers and Vader start blasting the door of the Princess Leias ship at the beginning) were almost washed out. In ending, the box is flimsy like others had said. So for my initial impression, I liked the added color, just seemed like too much in parts. The sharpness and detail are impressive. The added stuff is still bogus. At least there are the originals to watch

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