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#179368
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Vader and Dark Empire Emperor Clones?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/179368/action/topic#179368
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This was my thought trail on it...

If Anakin knows that the Emperor has an unlimited supply of his own clones that he can transfer into at any time, then it would be one way that the Emperor was so powerful that Vader wouldn't just double cross him right off the bat. And after the whole badly damaged body thing, Vader would be wanting to learn the secret of the cloning and the body switching thing from him. Another reason not to kill him. But then these things get pushed back out of his mind for whatever reason and he stops thinking about trying to overthrow the Emperor until he meets Luke and finds someone else powerful enough to help him.

Anyways, that's not that important, but just how the "shaft scene" changes in this context. I think Vader's redemption is probably the best in all of the Star Wars trilogy and I would hate to introduce any new aspects that would lessen it. So, is Vader's moment less cool if he knows he is only buying a few moments of time for Luke and the Rebellion? If he knows that he has only set the Emperor back a little? He doesn't have the heart to tell Luke just how powerful the Emperor is?

Anyways... I like the idea that the Emperor is trying to achieve immortality in this unnatural way when the Jedi receive immortality just by being Jedi. I don't think it's quite put that way in any of the Dark Empire stories... but the subtext is kind of there.

Matt
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#179120
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Vader and Dark Empire Emperor Clones?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/179120/action/topic#179120
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3) What if Vader was hanging out with the Emperor this whole time on the promise that one day he would be ready to force transfer himself to a healthy clone the way the Emperor had been doing?

Then it was pretty stupid of him to toss the Emperor down an air shaft. When your boss has achieved apotheosis and offers the chance at immortality, you don't throw him down air shafts.


I mostly meant that between the time he becomes Vader (in the suit, more machine than man) and we see him again in A New Hope, that he may have been working towards transferring into a body. I have a problem with Anakin's acceptance of the Dark Side and Vader's allegiance to Palpatine as depicted in RotS. I'm digging here for a potential reason for both of those.

Obviously he's given up on both those things when he gives (bad pun warning) his "master" the shaft.

Matt
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#178989
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Vader and Dark Empire Emperor Clones?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178989/action/topic#178989
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A little EU question for everyone here:

1) Did/could Vader have known about the Emperor's Clones as described in Dark Empire?

2) How does that change Vader's actions at the end of RotJ if he knew that he was (most likely) only destroying a clone and not the evil that is the Emperor?

3) What if Vader was hanging out with the Emperor this whole time on the promise that one day he would be ready to force transfer himself to a healthy clone the way the Emperor had been doing?

I think that's it. Mostly #2, though.

Matt
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#178957
Topic
<strong>The &quot;ADigitalMan Special Editions&quot; DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/178957/action/topic#178957
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I'm still looking for someone to PiF the Dual Layer stuff to me. I had someone lined up, but it seemed that I couldn't get anything in the mail from him no matter how many times he tried. I do have a DL burner, so if someone sends me the resource files on two DVDs, I CAN do the merge. Not a problem. Anyways...

Please PM me,
Matt
P.S. And of course, I will pay it forward as well.
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#174106
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Lucas and CGI in the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/174106/action/topic#174106
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I get tired of people who complain about CG only because it's CG. And if they can tell that it's not real, then it totally has failed.

I just showed the wife Clash of the Titans. For those you that don't know (all 1 of you, I'd assume) it was Ray Harryhausen's magnum opus. It has as much stop motion SFX work as Attack of the Clones has CG. And for the most part, aside from the impressive footnot to movie SFX history, it's unwatchable. On one hand, it's impressive what they actually could do without computers... on the other... you can't believe that people actually think they would prefer this to CG in movies today. There seems to be a lack in education (or extreme nostalgia) in people wishing that they could go back to before CG. Well folks, this is it! Was it great for the time? YES! Is it great today? NO! Please, if you will, compare the 1933 with the 2005 King Kong. (The less said about 1976 the better) You can't honestly tell me that the CG in the new one left you longing for the more realistic stop motion of 1933. I think, as Kong well demonstrates, that one of the actual "drawbacks" to CG is its inconsistency. That is to say, one minute it will totally fool you into thinking it's real and then the next it doesn't. You are shaken and the 4th wall is broken (to quote ADM). I think earlier SFX techniques didn't have this problem only because they were never convincing enough to fool you long enough for the change in perception to occur. I think it's the change that's bothersome more than the actual quality in SFX. The 2001 Final Fantasy movie was this way for me. Never claiming to be totally photo-realistic, it was jarring that some scenes would appear to be right before it would drop back into that quasi-cartoon look.

Having said all that... A lot of movies do push the technology way beyond the limits. But the ones that don't (Jurassic Park, Abyss, Titanic, Matrix, T2, etc..(IMO)) are getting perfection out of a tool that could never be replaced in their movies. The additions to the OT in the SE for the most part are worthless distractions and are a good example of bad CG. And I would not trade muppet Yoda or Jabba for anything.

In summary, there will always be good SFX and bad SFX. There will always be new techniques. CG is the way forward and I hope like the rest of you that it continually gets better and better. But it is the best SFX technology that there has ever been.

FLAME ON!

Matt
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#164351
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On Christianity
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164351/action/topic#164351
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Our knowing of history doesn't take away anyone's free will. Now we can look back at someone and say definatively what they did. This doesn't mean that they didn't have options that they didn't take.

For example: Judas. He had the opportunity to not] betray Jesus. But he didn't choose that. We know that now. God and Christ knew it then. He still had an option before him. He chose unwisely.

I like to use this analogy:

Say that I'm your math tutor. I am your only instructor and you are my only student. One day, I prepare a test for you to take. I hand a copy of it to you and you begin on the test. While I am waiting for you to finish, I take a fresh copy of the test and amuse myself by filling in the answers how I think you will. I know what you know and what you don't, so I know exactly how you will attempt to solve each problem. Not only do I know which questions you will miss, but I know how you will screw up. I happen to finish the test before you, so I go ahead and grade my copy of the test. You got an 87. I mark it in red pen and put the test face down on my desk and decide to go home for the night. I tell you, before I leave, that you can look at my copy of the test for your score once you finish with the test. You don't believe me, but you find that I was 100% completely correct. Did I make you fail? Did my foreknowledge of your failure somehow influence you? Is my judgement fair? Did you earn your grade all on your own?

I always like Sci-Fi movies where they say that there's one past, one present but multiple futures. What is the future but someone else's past? How could there be more than one future, then? More than one possible future maybe. But there will be only one future. Just like there is only one past. And just as someone who is in the present can know the past, someone who is more than time can know the future. Without influencing it.

Xhonzi
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#158569
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Idea: Sifo Dyas removal from AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158569/action/topic#158569
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Well, the Jedi don't know that Jango Fett is with Dooku until after Yoda has used the Clones to attack the Seperatists. Since they work so successfully, and are actually under the control of the Chancellor who has Supreme Powers now, there really isn't much they can do. They are losing their control, civil war is on the brink and they are desperate.


I thought they'd know that Fett was bad as soon as he attacked Kenobi on Kamino. Or when he followed him to Genosis and he attacked him again. I still can't imagine that the Jedi wouldn't be suspicious. Especially once they knew that Dooku was a Sith. Didn't someone else say that the sith were known for their tricks and deceptions. It's just weak writing if you ask me. Yoda or Windu would have suspected and I think Kenobi would have definately figured it out. Heck, he knew Fett was bad news when he connected him to the Bounty Hunter that was trying to kill Padme.

Xhonzi

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#158493
Topic
<strong>The &quot;ADigitalMan Special Editions&quot; DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158493/action/topic#158493
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I'm really interested in getting my hands on some Dual Layer versions of at least the OT. Can someone who still needs to pay it forward PM me to work it out. Of course I will Pay it forward also and already have some people lined up.

Xhonzi

Edit: Let me extend my plea to those who already paid it forward but want to take pity on my poor soul.
And yes, I do have dual layer burning ability.
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#158485
Topic
Idea: Sifo Dyas removal from AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158485/action/topic#158485
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This is the thing I never got about the whole clone/Sifo Dyas plot:

Why the Jedi don't have a problem taking on an army that has dubious origins at best that was cloned after THE EVIL BOUNTY HUNTER Jango Fett who was hanging out with THE EVIL SEPARATIST Count Dooku.

Fett tells Kenobi that he takes orders from Tyrannus and then he leaves and goes to kick it with Dooku. How did they at least not think that something was up with that! And shouldn't Fett have been like, What the Heck?, when his own clones show up to kill him? But I guess he was already dead by then. So nevermind...

Xhonzi
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#158476
Topic
Lucas Did Not Think about It
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158476/action/topic#158476
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I had a terrible thought:

The O-OT will come to DVD 2 years after everyone migrates to HD-DVD (or whatever). Then everyone will have to start complaining that it isn't on next gen DVD and we'll be right back where we started.

Anyways, someone mentioned T2 and other movies where multiple versions have been released on DVD... The irony to me is that I think most people like Extended/Director's cuts and view them as superior versions of the films when they're given a choice. (not everyone of course, but most in my understanding) Take Lord of the Rings for example... You don't see a lot of websites devoted to watching the original Theatrical Versions. Both versions are out, people are given a choice, and I think a majority choose the Extended Editions. Maybe it has something to do with the EE being better... (instead of O-OT > SE-OT) But I digress...

Xhonzi
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#158472
Topic
&quot;You don't know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master&quot;
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158472/action/topic#158472
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
I doubt he seriously thought about taking his master out again until Luke came along.



Doesn't Anakin/Vader lay that old "Join me and we'll rule/overthrow the Emperor" on Padme right at the end of RotS? It's an interesting concept since I don't buy Anakin's fall at this point. I can't imagine that the Dark Side has really taken hold of him already and I don't see why he would really feel a connection to Palpy since he DID just find out that he has been manipulating their friendship for sooo long. Anyways, so if he went into it thinking he could overturn the Emperor (and the Dark Side for that matter), but kinda gets stuck on hold... then I could buy it. But why he waits for 20+ years to do it doesn't make sense. So, I guess you can't have it both ways.

Xhonzi