I love the idea that being around humans gave Threepio specifically and other droids theories, as it’s totally plausible they would be built like that in order to work more efficiently.
Now the real answer probably is the none of this was really thought about, but since I am a large science fiction fan, I wanted to come up with a true sci-fi explanation.
And IG-88 seemingly was demolished on Cloud City, as you can see him in the incinerator when Chewie finds Threepio’s parts.
By the time of ROTJ, it’s been like 3 years since Boba Fett delivered Han. (At least if we ignore supplementary material like Shadows of the Empire.) So the fact that Boba Fett is still hanging around at Jabba’s palace by the time of ROTJ would seem to indicate some kind of permanent employment with Jabba. There’s also that ridiculous scene in the Special Edition of A New Hope where we see Boba Fett as part of Jabba’s entourage. So we can infer from all this that Boba Fett fights Luke on the skiff in ROTJ because his duties include general security or protection for Jabba.
I recall that George Lucas stated somewhere that, when writing ROTJ, Boba Fett was considered basically just a random goon and nothing more. Strangely, the script for ROTJ acts like many events in ESB never happened. For example, Boba Fett doesn’t recognize Lando, and doesn’t seem to have any relationship with Vader anymore.
It’s weird because in the late 1979/early 1980 promotional material for ESB, Boba Fett was always advertised as working for Darth Vader. He was never associated with Jabba the Hutt. And in the 1978 Holiday Special (Boba Fett’s first appearance), Fett is associated with Vader, not Jabba.
But the A New Hope Special Edition scene from 1997 implies Boba Fett worked for Jabba in some capacity well before Vader hired him in ESB. And of course, ESB itself implies Boba Fett works for BOTH Vader and Jabba (and the “No disintegration!” line implies a prior relationship between Fett and Vader). But the earliest 1978/1979 promotional material emphasizes Boba Fett’s connection with Vader. Yet by the time ROTJ came out, Fett’s connection with Vader was essentially forgotten by the script.
Basically, Fett was originally marketed as Darth Vader’s minion, from 1978 thru 1980 when Empire Strikes Back was released. But then in ROTJ, Boba Fett works for Jabba in some semi-permanent capacity, and his relationship with Vader is never acknowledged.
Very interesting stuff there, I did not think about the special edition scene adding Boba Fett to Star Wars, which means that George Lucas wants him to be employed specifically by Jabba. I hate that, and don’t consider it canon, but still interesting to note.
I’ve always taken the “No disintegrations” line just to imply that Boba Fett is notorious for disintegrating his bounties, not any previous relation with Vader, even though the Holiday Special shows one of course. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think anyone actually refers to him as Boba Fett in Empire? Han goes, “Boba Fett, where!?” in Jedi(which then means he knows him, and has a history with him…) but Darth Vader I know says, “He’s all yours, bounty hunter” instead of his name.
I still find it hard to believe there’s 3 years between Empire and Jedi, did it really take that long to rescue Han? But the idea that his relationship with Jabba was strengthened between films is a plausible theory. Another being he just hasn’t been paid yet, and Jabba is making him protect him if he wants to get his payment.
I was just watching Return of the Jedi again this weekend actually, and I was thinking about Boba Fett; mainly, like why does he stay at the palace? Jabba presumably paid him for delivering Han, so why does he stay? Just for the party? Fine, sure, but then when Luke and co. fight back on the skiff he flies down to help Jabba. Why?
Maybe he’s there because of this idea that he was originally gonna play a larger role.
(I was gonna make this "Why Does Boba Fett Stay? thing into a separate thread, but I saw this and it fit in)
3PO in SW is a lot different than in the sequels. Much more sci-fi/robotic and more monotone. Later he became more approachable and human.
That’s an interesting point. Much of his emotion seems to come from past experiences, which would work for a droid. Like “I’ve forgotten how much I hate space travel” would come from having known it hasn’t been pleasant in the past.
However, hanging around humans so much would likely result in him potentially becoming more human, if that’s the way he was programmed. He still keeps a bit of a robotic nature though (In Empire he says Luke is clever “for a human being, that is”) and he really mainly cares about himself(see the whole third act of Empire, when he’s complaining about being on backwards as Han is being frozen alive)
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And other droids for that matter. I was just thinking about this watching other sci-fi stuff like the Logan’s run show for example, with the android character REM, who is shown to have some form of feeling despite being robotic. (Much like how Spock acts, though it makes sense for him, being half human)
Then I was thinking about how in Star Wars, Threepio worries and frets a lot. Fear is an emotion, something one has to have feelings to, well, feel. I know people will argue Star Wars is more fantasy than true science fiction, but I’ve always argued that point. Thoughts?
Rubber Soul is fantastic. I’m partial to Michelle on that one, and I agree In My Life is top notch Beatles. What’s everyone else’s favorite album? Considering the album as a whole, I’d say Sgt. Pepper. (Also because it contains my favorite song, A Day in the Life)
I agree with pretty much everything Caston said; I’d pick the sequels too. I don’t “like” any of these; but my favorite movie after the originals is the Force Awakens(It’s much lower though), and I like that way more than I like any of the sequels. The middle episode is the low point for both trilogies, and it’s an insanely low point.
The prequels are more damaging overall also, for the reasons mentioned above(the stupid changes made in 2004 to better “fit” the originals with them) and just the fact they were supposed to be the important backstory. Episodes 7,8 and 9 can very easily be ignored. But like it or not, Empire has Episode V in its opening and VI in Jedi. (Depends which version you watch for SW, even prior to the special editions)
Also, I really hate how George Lucas tried to reframe the saga as “The Tragedy of Darth Vader” when the originals were clearly written for Luke to be the main character. This isn’t a big thing for which trilogy I prefer, merely a reason I hate the prequels and what they did to the series.
Both trilogies ruin a lot of characters, so I’m not sure which is the biggest offender. My head tells me the new ones, but because the prequels take place before the originals, I’m inclined to say those.
Has anyone heard those rumours of Disney being so bankrupt now they’re considering selling back? HIGHLY doubt that would happen but I’ve seen some articles on it.
I forgot to add “with George’s blessing.”
If he’s still okay with how everything looks 26 years later then that’s probably how the cgi shots will look forever. I doubt he wants to bother with it anymore.
Ah, okay, sorry about that. Not sure, since he seems to be constantly changing his mind. Would he have kept cutting one second out of the Greedo scene if nobody said anything? That’s another question, because he really doesn’t seem to care much about what the fans think(If at all).
I know that has nothing to do with your question on effects, but it seems a relevant point to bring up. It is weird though why he said the 70s/80s effects “bothered” him for so many years, but the 1997 cgi dinosaurs don’t? Of course this is the same man who through Jar Jar Binks, Dexter Jetsker and General Grievance looked good.
On the Jabba matter: I like the mold of the '04 version better, but the colors look better in the '97 one. They’re both dumb and shouldn’t be in the movie. It’s really hard for me to imagine that as the same character we see in Jedi.
I also remember wondering if the special edition would be considered the official version going forward but seeing that first TPM teaser on Entertainment Tonight in November of ‘98 pretty definitively answered that question for me.
Do you think LFL/Disney would ever commission ILM to do a complete re-do of the SE? Re-rendering the ‘97 cg shots at late 2000’s / early 2010’s quality would not only be cost-effective but also wouldn’t exceed the resolution of the ST and the cg wouldn’t go from ‘99 to ‘05 quality only to revert to ‘97 quality for modern viewers watching the saga in official order for the first time.
Before you say “but what about ‘04 Jabba?”, well, I still think the ‘97 version looked better.
I highly doubt that would ever happen. Kathleen Kennedy’s often misunderstood quote of, “I wouldn’t touch those, they´re his” (or something to that effect) means LFL under Disney wouldn’t make any new changes to the movies. It does NOT mean they would never release the originals. That isn’t changing the movies, that’s giving another cut which has existed for over 40 years.
Whether it’s a great movie or not; I don’t think I’d say it’s great but I do believe it’s a great sequel. This may sound like a dumb thing to say, but I’ll explain what I mean.
I feel it’s exactly what would have happened to Sheriff Brody after the experience he had in Jaws. I love the scene where he yells for everyone to get out of the water, and various other “false alarm” moments because of the trauma he’s experiencing. My favorite part is when he tells the board meeting he knows what a shark looks like and he doesn’t intend “to go through that hell again!”
There’s not even a payoff for the Mr. Potter character. When I saw it, I was like “WTF movie, aren’t you even gonna give me the pleasure to see the “evil” Mr. Potter get punishment?”
I know this is a really old comment, but I just had to reply. You’ve got to watch the SNL “lost ending” of Wonderful Life from the 80s where everybody goes to give Potter what’s coming to him. It’s hilarious.
I love the movie, I watch it every year, so I was sad to read your hate for it. But even though I love it, I felt this way about Potter too, especially when I was younger.
It’s really spooky to read Lucas’ threat on the 1995 VHS set that it would be the last release of the original versions; and that chilling Jim Cummings-narrated “One.Last.Time.” commercial.
Nobody with a brain would have thought he actually intended on that.
Jaws 2 is a great sequel.
No plans to actually watch the movie today, but I’m rocking my classic Jedi poster shirt, and maybe I’ll put the soundtrack on later.
(Happy birthday Frank Oz too!)
I watch classic shows weekly for the regular TV season. I watch some different shows during the “off-season” if you will (shows I might not want to spend a whole season watching, or just things I can’t fit in the schedule).
So like, 25 I guess?
(I’ll watch some shows during the day throughout the whole year though.)
Yeah, that’s one of the things that really sickens me to think about that they used the classics as just a test that they could do certain things with implementing computer effects onto film. Then left them that way for (now) over 25 years.
If those directors had actually watched Jurassic Park they’d have heard Ian Malcolm say,
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
I guess they didn’t pay attention to that part.
My favorite pro-Prequel argument is “But the Prequels have even more practical effect shots than the OT!” I mean, who cares about the concept of percentages?
This is the absolute DUMBEST argument I’ve ever seen about the Prequel Trilogy. Because nobody stops to think that’s just because there are more effects in those movies in general. Like saying Revenge of the Sith has more model sets than Citizen Kane; like c’mon.
(I haven’t seen Most Wanted)
Big Muppet fan, hoping to reignite this thread.
-The Muppet Movie
-The Muppet Christmas Carol
-The Muppets Take Manhattan
-The Great Muppet Caper
-The Muppets (2011)
-Muppet Treasure Island
-Muppets from Space
Follow That Bird, the Sesame Street movie from the 80s would rank pretty high it we included that.
I’d have to go with release order now that I’ve finally gotten around to seeing Crystal Skull. I was thinking it couldn’t possibly be as bad as I’ve heard…
I love Temple of Doom; I really don’t understand how anyone could not. It’s one of the most fun movies I’ve ever seen. Actually(and I’m not thinking too hard into this) it may be the most just unadulterated FUN movie I can think of. (Meaning the story isn’t why you love it, though the story’s fine, it’s that the movie’s just so damn fun to watch; not a turn-your-brain off movie, but you don’t have to think too hard to just sit back and enjoy)
(So I don’t have to list them but I will)
4.Crystal Skull
The sides of 1995 VHS packaging for the movie we now know as ANH has a logo that says “Star Wars” and says “A New Hope” in small letters while ESB and ROTJ say “Star Wars” in small letters and have logos that say “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi”. Otherwise, ANH was marketed as just “Star Wars” until the 2000 VHS release.
Yes, I know, I’ve got those tapes actually. What I meant about the 2000 tapes was it was the first release to present “A New Hope” as being just as much the title of that movie as “The Empire Strikes Back” or “Return of the Jedi” on the case.
Interestingly enough, even though the logos all look the same, even in the 2004 DVD commercial, the announcer names the movies as “Star Wars: A New Hope”, “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi”
Now I wasn’t alive at this time, but from talking to people who were, it’s my understanding that even though the “A New Hope” title was on the movie since 1981, no one actually called it that until the late 90s at THE VERY EARLIEST. Seems like it was more when maybe the 2000 VHS came out.
Ah, Star Wars day. The day the non-Star Wars people join in on the discussion. And that makes me think of arguments that can arise with so-called “Star Wars fans” (TFN type people)
What’s the craziest argument you’ve gotten into with someone about prequels, special editions or something of that sort(with someone who has a different perception of what SW is).
I’d like to make this just real-life face-to-face arguments, so no internet/forum arguments please.
