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#1224727
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4k77 - shot by shot color grading
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" Color and Light

We tend to think of objects as having fixed colors—an apple, for example, is red. In reality, an object’s appearance results from the way it reflects the particular light that is falling on it. Under white light, the apple appears red because it tends to reflect light in the red portion of the spectrum and absorb light of other wavelengths. If a filter is used to remove red from the light source, the apple reflects very little light and appears black. The fact that the color makeup of light can change, means that shifts can occur in the color appearance of objects illuminated by it. Within limits, the brain compensates for these changes in color appearance and we see things as we expect them to appear. But the changes are there nonetheless and can affect the way people respond to objects and environments. "

Growing up with the films, we so easily associate how scenes look based on their brief appearance. We all understand that the Tantive is white, and the death star is gray, and space is black…but when you start to stare at frames for hours weeks and years the subtleties become glaring. In my understanding, Dr.Dre is and has been among the top frame-starers in existence. He welcomes the subtleties as an old friend and constant nuisance. (sips tea)

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#1216758
Topic
4k77 - shot by shot color grading
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Woof.

People say they want freedom of choice, but they really want freedom from choice. Too many options make it harder to decide–but I like each in their own way 😦 It’s like picking one child over the others, It’s just not right.

If only you could wrap it up into one single video file that has a dropdown for “Look” which applies different LUTs on top–that would be revolutionary!
https://i.imgur.com/Ixffj0v.png

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#1216744
Topic
1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
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Handman said:

Thanks poita!

It’s really silly how the 97 SE print looks better in every way from the 77 IB Tech in that shot, other than the glaring green sabre.

I beg to differ.

poita said:

I found the reference in one of my books:
"Massassi hangar, interior: “Thet had one complete X-Wing, a Y-Wing and some bits and pieces, painted ships. SO I took the plate, reduced it, and then put it down in the left centre; then I took the same plate, reduced it even more, and put it in the background on the right hand side of the frame; then I painted around it, just lots of little lights in the back, a couple of shapes, a few hoses hanging down. Youd be amazed how little is on that painting”

What book?

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#1216598
Topic
1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
Time

Found some approx. frames and did some quick matching using Dr.Dre’s ColorMatch tool. Matched the scan to both 4K77 and the Special Edition Projected Color Ref. with a little contrast adjustment. Here are the results:

4K77 match
SE Projected match

Source frames:

poita scan
https://i.imgur.com/tJrgGGx.jpg

4K77 UHD RC1
https://i.imgur.com/6K5d2DD.jpg

SE Projected Color Ref
https://i.imgur.com/FM8kTgl.jpg


I then used the colormatching results and Neverar’s Technicolor Recreation as color references and made a correction for the scan that’s most likely innacurate, but derives from good intention–and boy is this thing CLEAN. Thank you poita!

https://i.imgur.com/gwgwaKR.png
https://i.imgur.com/Uclv5az.png
https://i.imgur.com/sRnOoTU.png
https://i.imgur.com/Spca9Ou.png

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#1215504
Topic
Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan
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NeverarGreat said:

Those look really nice! The extra brightness makes everything really pop. It looks like the shadows are rather crushed though, and some gradients have shifted too green. But overall it’s a big improvement.

UnitéD2 said:

I like it too ! Perhaps it deserves to be a little less contrasty though.

Shuggy said:

Wow. That’s a huge improvement. The younglings shot is gorgeous.

I would add that I too find the look a little dark for my tastes - the colours seem a bit “dirty” to me - but kudos all the same.

Ryan-SWI said:

I think the changes help some things pop, but there’s a lot of lost detail in there.

There’s also some over-exposure in a couple of the scenes because of the altercations, specifically the ‘sand’ scene.

The biggest issue with the OT BDs (outside the obvious altercations) were the crushed blacks and loss of fine detail as a result, I fear a similar case here. I do quite a bit of professional editing and that’s just my opinion, but I think you could achieve the same ‘look’ you’re going for without abusing the contrast and exposure quite so much.

I hope I don’t come off as overly negative or snarky, just giving my opinion!

You did a good job color correcting things to your apparent liking, I’m just commenting on some more technical details (:

I’ve taken all critiques into account and matched the contrast better to what’s present on the discs. I’ve been attempting exports of the film with a few failed outputs, but at the moment I am waiting on a 4TB drive to arrive in the mail because I’m all out of space. (Who knew you could fill lots of TeraBytes just by being a part of these forums:P) When I get it exported I’ll upload it to the Spleen and start a new thread to avoid confusion in this one.

From there you can watch it and provide further input if you’d like, and I’ve already made note of some issues like ghosting from moving objects, but this correction is merely a single grade over the entire film so that I can watch it and not cringe. In the future I expect to do entire scene by scene corrections but for now this is good enough for me.

Collipso said:

can these 35mm trailers be used as reference?

Czech Episode II 35mm Scope Trailer

Czech Episode III 35mm Flat Trailer

Czech Episode I 35mm Scope Trailer

Czech Episode II 35mm Scope Trailer 2

Czech Episode III 35mm Flat Trailer 2

These are great sources, and I’ve had them bookmarked since they were posted. I might inquire about the source file from Rob, instead of settling for a YouTube compression, as they will be great for a scene by scene correction in the future! My current single-grade correction is not based on any sources–just an intuitive “repainting” of the colors built on some custom film looks.

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#1201813
Topic
Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan
Time

As I, and many of you, have been following this thread for a while, there seems to have been a falloff from this project–and lack of progress (from my own perspective). So to remedy that, I’ve spent a while on my own designing some custom film looks for the prequel films.

Here’s are some frames from Attack of the Clones. As it has the worst color out of any Star Wars film I thought I should post these first… for the starting source I used the HD reconstruction of the DVD as the Blu-ray has a green tint and is very smooth, lacking texture. Below each are their frame comparisons. Enjoy!

geonosis-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZ67NNNX

impressive-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JCMFNNNU

death-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZ6WNNNX

sand-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JCMJNNNU

love-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JCM1NNNU

balcony-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZ6GNNNX

lightning-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JCMMNNNU

forbiddenlove-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZ6PNNNX

fisto-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JCMCNNNU

yoda-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JC2JNNNU

younglings-film

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DZP7NNNX

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#1190827
Topic
kk650's Regraded Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi V2 (blanket yellow tint removed from blu-ray)
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I am very fond of the grade for The Last Jedi. It is insanely better than the infamous pink flesh tones of The Force Awakens, and the punchy reds in The Last Jedi aren’t magenta either. I don’t mind the golden “tint” to the film, a lot of the movie takes place during sunsets or while explosions are occurring or host lush golden light fixtures in Canto Bight. It fits the vibe, and personally, retracting that aspect degrades the image. Having its own style is part of the filmmaking process

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#1190805
Topic
Interstellar - ColorMatching BluRay to 70mm
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I’ve been planning on buying the 4K copy of Interstellar. I know MakeMKV has the ability to rip some 4K discs and I have a blu-ray drive in my computer that is supported in the list. Has anyone compared the color timing with the normal blu-ray? I figure once I pick up the 4K version I will make it my mission to complete this project

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#1093099
Topic
Interstellar - ColorMatching BluRay to 70mm
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^…^ said:

Lately I’ve tinkered with few “de-tealized” projects, and learned some new techniques; so, I’ve decided to give Interstellar a go…

The “inspired by 70mm” is a color grading made in Avisynth - no LUTs or color matching; I could make it even closer to 70mm, but in that case there would be white clipping, so I’ve chosen the best compromise, and it works well, it seems:

take a look at the comparison for the whole movie:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/216927

I’ve also compared it to the camrip - that is faaar to be considered a color reference; indeed, “as is”, it’s different (a lot) from BD and regrade; when adjusted (saturation lowered, magenta blanket removed, levels tweaked), it resemble sometimes the BD, sometimes the regrade, sometimes neither… and it happens also for subsequent shots - I suspect the autowhite and/or autogain are involved. But the fact that often is closer to the regrade than the BD, and that some members remembers (pun intended!) the colors in the theater to be closer to the 70mm scan may means it “could” be “right” - somehow…

I’m perfectly aware that it almost never happen that a single regrade setting works for a whole movie, but in this case it seems to work; still to watch it all, but I’ve tested few shots, and they look good; preparing a low def version and I’ll watch it in the next few hours, then I’ll write my conclusions.

This is really cool. I would love to see more of your “de-tealized” workflow I guess you could call it. It does resemble my 70mm cell A LOT, though seeing it’s application to the whole film does make lots of scenes look unnatural. Scene by scene is obviously ideal, and if you can nail down a workflow we can work together and get this thing done pretty soon. I have a collection of around 20 film cells I downloaded all over the internet that ranges throughout the film. They would be okay references.

Seeing as how Dunkirk just came out (Saw it on 35mm planning for 70mm) this would be a good project to continue working on.

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#1086912
Topic
Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
Time

Here are some covers to smooth things over

vexedmedia said:

I’ve been holding on to these covers for quite some time now (about 8 months) and I’ve decided it’s time to let them go.

Based on the Criterion layout, these covers present the Despecialized project without cluttering the front artwork. I went with striking images and embellished them for a unique look. These are inspired by JMoomer’s previous designs, which I became obsessed with and decided to work on some originals. This is a set with a theme, and I have more sets designed with the same layout that have different themes (those will be posted at a later date so look out for further posts)

The covers are made for Criterion Single Disc Cases and are FREE TO DOWNLOAD AND PRINT FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY, which I would greatly enjoy seeing photos of.

! PLEASE KEEP THESE IMAGES OFF OTHER SITES !

I made these for the forum members here and I don’t want to find them anywhere else. If I see them pop up on eBay or other forums, the designs will be pulled and I won’t post any more of the many I’ve made.



However, if you would like a set made for you, I am offering to do so.

** IF YOU’RE READING THIS PASSED JULY 4TH IT’S ENDED

The trilogy set will be 40$, 15$ each individually, all in Criterion cases and with an inside print unique to each film as well.

NO DISCS INCLUDED!

those you will have to handle yourself. Shipping only to United States for now. This is a timed production. From now until the 4th of July, you can PM me if interested. Expected delivery by August 1st.

Hope you enjoy the designs and the coming covers.

-VM

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#1086153
Topic
Blu-Ray and other HD box size STAR WARS covers
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I’ve been holding on to these covers for quite some time now (about 8 months) and I’ve decided it’s time to let them go.

Based on the Criterion layout, these covers present the Despecialized project without cluttering the front artwork. I went with striking images and embellished them for a unique look. These are inspired by JMoomer’s previous designs, which I became obsessed with and decided to work on some originals. This is a set with a theme, and I have more sets designed with the same layout that have different themes (those will be posted at a later date so look out for further posts)

The covers are made for Criterion Single Disc Cases and are FREE TO DOWNLOAD AND PRINT FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY, which I would greatly enjoy seeing photos of.

! PLEASE KEEP THESE IMAGES OFF OTHER SITES !

I made these for the forum members here and I don’t want to find them anywhere else. If I see them pop up on eBay or other forums, the designs will be pulled and I won’t post any more of the many I’ve made.



However, if you would like a set made for you, I am offering to do so.

** IF YOU’RE READING THIS PASSED JULY 4TH IT’S ENDED

The trilogy set will be 40$, 15$ each individually, all in Criterion cases and with an inside print unique to each film as well.

NO DISCS INCLUDED!

those you will have to handle yourself. Shipping only to United States for now. This is a timed production. From now until the 4th of July, you can PM me if interested. Expected delivery by August 1st.

Hope you enjoy the designs and the coming covers.

-VM

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#1078994
Topic
Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
Time

ronwlim said:

confusedgambler said:

Ronwlim,

We understand and no need to explain or to justify your prices. Sharing your files with everybody was more than generous.

Believe me, if I was in this for the money, I could keep making these. I stopped at the initial five I offered 18 months ago. I have a wait list of 8 names if I ever decided to make more.

DIY! It’s the most satisfying. Google how to burn discs and make your own box. There are so many tutorials on methods on YouTube.

-Ron

I can attest. It was smart to price them as such because I inquired those 18 months ago and it deterred me enough lol. Inevitably I designed and learned to print my own covers and discs as well, and I am very pleased with that. It has led me down a path of creating custom blu-ray covers for most of the films I own to fit in uniform Criterion cases. If I had just let someone else do everything for me I wouldn’t be as satisfied. I’ve even looked into making custom menus because I just want something different than the excellent work njvc has already done. And that’s the point of making your own set, is the unique quality and personal responsibility. Take pride in doing things yourself, there’s nothing like learning something new!

-VM

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#1078990
Topic
Neverar's A New Hope Technicolor Recreation <strong>(V1 Released!)</strong>
Time

NeverarGreat said:

Another scene in progress. Just 7 or so minutes of footage left for this film.
Tarkin
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/210595
(The second comparison is between my correction and Despecialized 2.5)

Okay changing those Luma values for Tarkin’s skin does a hell of a lot for this shot! There’s so much more depth between Tarkin and the background compared to the flat look of Despecialized. Fantastic work as always!

-VM

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#1070535
Topic
Interstellar - ColorMatching BluRay to 70mm
Time

Here are some other interesting comparisons between the trailer and BluRay to hold you over.

BluRay
BluRay

Trailer
Trailer

BluRay
BluRay

Trailer
Trailer

BluRay
BluRay

Trailer
Trailer
(notice the more yellow skintones, and hair in the trailer. Has a slight green hue which they pulled out for the BluRay)

Of course trailer colors are never final, I don’t believe the final film looked EXACTLY as the trailer does but it presents the obvious fact that the BluRay does not represent what was played in theaters.


For your viewing pleasure


I took this frame from the BluRay:
BluRay
…and this 70mm cell I found:
70mm-cell
…and matched the BluRay to it to result in something wonderful!

Corrected_BluRay

The cell has a slightly warmer tone. Do you like the warmer tone? I kept with the cooler whites but either I’m okay with!
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/208132

-VM

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#1070534
Topic
Interstellar - ColorMatching BluRay to 70mm
Time

^…^ said:

It looks great!

I wonder if the LUT works well also with other scenes; may you post some examples?

I’m sure that a fully corrected version of the film will have to be done on a scene by scene basis. I plan on using images of the 70mm frames people received with their Blu-Ray copies as a reference for each of the scenes. If you would like to help me hunt as many images down of the 70mm frames that would most helpful (make sure it’s a reasonably large image). You can PM me what you find or paste links here I suppose (I want to refrain from endless posts of images here) and that will save me the trouble of searching everything myself.

For the moment I will apply the LUT to other scenes and see what that looks like, but I don’t think it will serve other scenes quite the same.

-VM

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#1064104
Topic
The Original Trilogy restored from 35mm prints
Time

poita said:

Looks like it will be Resilio Sync, just trialling it with a small group at the moment to see how well it works.

Here are a few seconds though, would like feedback on if any problems have been introduced during the cleanup.

https://we.tl/0CCRECNNvc

Looks absolutely fantastic. The Grindhouse LUT may not be far off from what this scan needs for CC. I am very pleased with these results!