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Connor MacLeod

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#1640502
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Worst Dialogue from The Last Jedi
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BedeHistory731 said:

Whining about The Last Jedi is still a big red flag for me. So what, a bad movie came out that didn’t do what you wanted with a character? Move on with your life and just never acknowledge it.

The more I realize it, the more I just wish we never had sequels to ‘77.

Aw, poor you. A topic on a forum makes you wish upon a star for an alternate reality. Sounds like you’re the one that needs to move on with your life. I’m not going to not acknowledge something just to appease you just because you can’t find a safe space for your feelings 24/7. Oh, and I love J.K Rowling by the way so deal with that too LOL

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#1633731
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New Lucas interview 2: 'Insists Unaltered Versions Of The OT Will Never Be Released'
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I think George is out of his mind and the quote from American Cinematographer illustrates how self centered he is and how much he is blinded to reality. He expected the theatrical cuts to fade away. But then relented and released the theatrical cuts on DVD with the GOUT. Therefore the theatrical cuts are NEVER going to disappear because releasing the GOUT was an act that brought the theatrical cuts into digital format to live forever on the net and to be used as a source for fan edits to cut with the special editions, at least until 4K77 came along. My point is that George really thought “no one” would ever see the theatrical cuts again and it would “fade away” but at the same time, he is the reason why they won’t fade away! He’s nuts. And contradicts himself. The theatrical cuts will NEVER be forgotten both because he refuses to release it in HD AND because he released the GOUT which paved the way for Harmy, which in turn paved the way for 4K77. I really think George lost his marbles back in 97.

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#1633729
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Simon Kinberg Star Wars Trilogy
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rocknroll41 said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Well so far he hasn’t done anything for Star Wars or Star Trek for that matter. He was a producer on the Fox X-men series and did two lousy attempts on adapting the Dark Phoenix Saga the second of which he directed, and which closed out the Fox X-men franchise on a whimper.

I guess his name is in the credits of Logan and Deadpool and Wolverine and Lucasfilm wants that kind of cachet. I mean look they desperately want Sean Levy to make a Star Wars movie as well.

Hasn’t done anything for Star Wars? You do realize he was involved in the early story stages of TFA and R1, right? He even got a thank-you credit in both movies. He also basically co-created Rebels, alongside Filoni.

He is not the reason why Rogue one was good. That was mostly John Knoll, Gareth Edwards, Tony Gilroy. TFA and Rebels are awful to me and further proof Kinberg is trash.

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#1633544
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George Lucas should get more credit for "saving Anakin Skywalker" in Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
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I can only speak for me personally, but what significantly redeemed Anakin for me (Hayden’s depiction precisely) was his portrayal in the Ahsoka show. That’s exactly how I’ve wanted to see Anakin ever since I could imagine him from the original trilogy. As a general and a leader, not a nagging, temper tantrum throwing little brat. I haven’t watched the clone wars cartoon in a long time because it’s very offputting to me. It feels too kiddy and the blocky character designs just make me wanna pull my hair out. Now the Star Wars republic comics aka Clone Wars collected volumes by dark horse are amazing and the only clone wars I actually care about.

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#1633541
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Worst Dialogue from The Last Jedi
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I find it hilarious and highly fallacious how people think the message of this film is “let the past die,” as if that was some deep revelatory insight, when Kylo was LITERALLY referring to murdering his own father. Because that was his response to Rey when she asked why he killed his father. So for people to think this kill the past nonsense is great are literally advocating for murdering your parents. Very disturbing.

Vladius said:

Channel72 said:

In my research efforts to reconstruct a history behind the writing of The Last Jedi, I’ve found that Rian Johnson’s portrayal of Luke was a direct result of Rian’s attempt to work within the story parameters he inherited from The Force Awakens. We know that J.J. Abrams wanted Luke to be hiding on some island, mostly because the writers initially didn’t want Luke to steal the stoplight from the new characters. So J.J. Abrams decided Luke would be hiding on some island, but Abrams never really worked out much of the backstory details beyond that, except for the broad idea that Luke was on some pilgrimage to find an ancient Jedi Temple. Presumably, Luke was seeking answers after the disaster that befell his Jedi school, but the whole thing is very half-baked. (J.J. Abrams loves half-baked mystery plots that take place on a remote island.)

When writing TLJ, Rian Johnson tried to make sense of Abrams’ half-baked plot point of Luke hiding on the island. Rian apparently decided that the best way to explain Luke on the island was that Luke didn’t want to be found, and purposely cut himself off from the Force. This idea was pure Rian, as Abrams initially had Luke using the Force at the end of Force Awakens, levitating some boulders while meditating. Rian Johnson asked Abrams to remove that scene so TFA would fall in line with TLJ. Everything else follows from there.

Now, Rian’s idea for Luke sucks. But it’s not like Rian was working off a blank slate. Rian inherited this stupid scenario from J.J. Abrams, with Luke hiding on an island for under-explained reasons. In my opinion, Rian’s idea only makes it worse and isn’t even compatible with Force Awakens, because (A) it doesn’t explain why Luke would have left a map and (B) it doesn’t explain why Luke went to an island with an ancient Jedi Temple if he wanted to be cut off from the Force and die. It’s also hilarious how Luke is wearing these pristine white robes like a venerated Jedi Master in J.J. Abrams’ version, but in TLJ, Luke immediately changes into his less dignified bum clothes after Rey arrives. Luke’s change of wardrobe signals that a new director has arrived on the island.

But whatever, the point is, we can retrace the historical steps that led to The Last Jedi turning out the way it did, and it clearly has little to do with some malicious plan to damage Star Wars, and more to do with horrible story-telling decisions that probably seemed like good ideas to the people involved at the time. That said, Rian Johnson at the very least must have been aware that what he was writing would be very controversial. He probably thought it would be worth the gamble and trusted his instincts, not wanting to repeat the same old Jedi training scenes from the Original Trilogy, and believing his script would be vindicated and praised as bold, innovative and original, and most importantly, unpredictable, with many “twists” that defy pre-conceived audience expectations about a Star Wars sequel, much like Empire Strikes Back.

TLDR: J.J. Abrams vomited out a typical low-effort mystery box script that exiled Luke to a remote island for half-baked, under-explained, out-of-Universe reasons, and Rian Johnson just ran with it and added his own personal angle as an auteur, thus turning Luke into the depressed asshole we know and love. It’s not what I would have done if I inherited J.J.'s mess of a story, but then, Disney doesn’t care what I think.

Here’s the thing. There are many creative things you could do with that setup. Like you said, you could say Luke is trying to figure out why his academy got destroyed and how he could change things for the better. Hence why he would go to the first Jedi temple, to learn about something the original Jedi knew that was lost over time. Maybe he was researching a way to beat Snoke and he didn’t want anyone else getting in danger while he was working, but it didn’t pan out. The idea I came up with when I first saw TFA was that Luke was afraid of his own level of power - he was at the point where he had so much mastery over the Force that he was tempted to use it in ways that would lead him to the dark side. (A sliver of this idea sort of gets used where he’s afraid of Rey’s power and he was afraid of the power he gave Kylo Ren, but it’s immediately dropped.)

What Rian CHOSE to do with that setup reveals a lot about his own opinions and worldview, especially given, like you said, it doesn’t make any logical sense either.

Exactly! I find the notion and rationale that Rian had to depict Luke the way he did because of Abrams’ set up in TFA to completely illustrate Rian’s lack of imagination and piss poor ideas. Luke should have sought out the Jedi temple to discover a way to defeat Snoke, who initially, as seen in the Rise of Kylo Ren comic, was disfigured at the hands of Luke. LOL. Disney rebooted the canon and failed with continuity just in 2 years of their trilogy. Because now we know all the Snoke clones look disfigured. Ridiculous.

Anyway another line of dialogue that just rubs me the wrong way is when Maz Kaneda recollects the code breaker and replies to c3po saying “sounds like he can do anything,” with her stroking her gun saying, “oh yes, he can…” in a sexual manner, and then Finn and Rose trade looks like something taboo and kinky is being conveyed. Disgusting to say the least for giving me that image of the code breaker and Maz having sexual relations…

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#1609024
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Are you glad Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney or do you wish he hadn’t?
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Mocata said:

Connor MacLeod said:

Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making.

Fair. Nobody who saw Red Tails and Strange Magic was calling him a visionary. It’s just that people love to think about how great things that they don’t have could have been.

Honestly, those weren’t bad films. They were competent movies. Lucas is talented. I have more respect for Red Tails and Strange Magic than the prequels. at least 1 and 2. I feel his priorities changed significantly in the prequel era; he cared more about just “telling the story” and getting it done expediently and playing with digital technology, rather than trying to make “good cinema.” I honestly feel like he could care less about being a good film maker, and just wants to be a creator in general.

I think some people who wish Lucas was back feel this way because in the prequel era there was no social media. A lot of the antagonistic feelings from the fans can be attributed to this “interaction” between the fans and Lucasfilm employees on social media. Back in the prequel era if something sucked, you just said it sucked and the film maker (Lucas) just moved on. I really miss that believe it or not. And Not just with Star Wars but the industry as a whole. Now Lucasfilm employees can actually respond to the fans and when they do, all I see is all the $$$$$ Disney is losing because of this necessity to “fight back against the haters.” Very bad business model. I’ll never understand that. Disney should just shut up and either stay the course or implement corrective action. Don’t communicate with the fans about there negative feedback. No good will come out of it. Because if you say, “we’re sorry and we’ll change”, you’ll lose the people that liked the initial product, and if you say we won’t change, you just lose those customers because you are not adhering to their criticism’s. I produce products myself and when I get hated on I simply say “Thanks for your feedback”, even when I believe 1000% in my product and disagree with the hater. You know why? Because all I think about is this guy’s $$$$ and how I want him to give me another chance at his $$$ even if I believe in my product and I am not changing anything.

But again, every time I watch Andor or Rogue One or Mandalorian 1 and 2, I’m happy Lucas sold it

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#1609023
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Worst Dialogue from The Last Jedi
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JadedSkywalker said:

I kind of like the mocking tone of Luke talking about laser swords, and it’s time for the Jedi to end.

The only real dumb line to me is kill the past. But Kylo is Sith wannabe, so it does make sense.

As for Rose line about winning through love and not hate, it comes from an idealist. A woman who lost her sister. A woman who lost her family fighting the first order. I don’t hate it as much as people reacted to it.

Yes, Rose is an idealist. However, I feel she never learns from the error of her ways. In particular when she generalizes everyone at Canto Bite as being the worse people in the galaxy, saying EVERYONE there got rich selling weapons to the first order. She never discovers that this was an irrational and unrealistic outlook and generalization (only Finn does when DJ shows him the owner of the ship they stole also sold weapons to the Resistance). I would have loved to see Rose react to that fact, not Finn!

The same could be said about Holdo in regards to not learning from her error. Poe gets “taught a lesson” by Leia saying, “She [Holdo] was more concerned about protecting the light then appearing as a hero,” (another awful line of dialogue) but Holdo doesn’t learn anything. The movies tries to make her out to be a hero. But her terrible leadership and lack of communication caused the death of hundreds and I’m suppose to look at her like a “hero.” Nope, sorry. Critics like to tear down Rose Tico. But I’ll take Rose any day over Holdo. Any day. Holdo and Jar Jar are my least favorite SW characters.

That being said, Rose’s line about “This is how we’re going to win this war; Not by fighting those we hate but by saving those we love,” sounds like something from Attack of the Clones. Simply awful. Especially considering that’s what Finn was doing; trying to save the resistance. It just reeks of some foolish hippy idealistic fool nonsense. And her inferring that she “loves” Finn when she just met him is Attack of the Clones levels of cringe. It’s hilarious how Finn dissed her ROS.

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#1608909
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Worst Dialogue from The Last Jedi
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Servii said:

I don’t remember a lot of the exact dialogue, but Luke’s line of how “Do you think I came to the most unfindable place in the galaxy…” was kind of clunky. Plus Rey’s line that went like “Master Skywalker, we need you to bring back the Jedi because Kylo Ren is strong in the Dark Side of the Force,” or something like that.

My least favorite line, though, is Rose calling Finn “a selfish traitor,” just because of who she’s talking to. Finn was a child soldier who’d been raised his whole life in a soulless military machine. He had never had a chance to live a normal civilian life. Then he goes and breaks out of his conditioning, runs away, and despite his fear of the First Order helps destroy Starkiller Base and save the Resistance, and then he even stands up to Kylo Ren himself.

After all that, Finn didn’t owe the Resistance anything, and he wasn’t officially a member, anyway. It was entirely within his rights for him to leave so that he could start his life over as a civilian. Rose’s admonishment seems like Rian Johnson wrote it with a different character in mind, one who hadn’t experienced what Finn had.

Excellent points. I felt Finn was such a wasted potential.

I also don’t like the line, “Every word in that sentence was wrong.” By Luke. This one sounds like it was written by George Lucas himself. How can every word in a sentence be wrong? Ridiculous nonsense

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#1608825
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Worst Dialogue from The Last Jedi
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“Hope is like the sun. If you only believe it when you see it, you’ll never make it through the night.”

BARF!🤮

This is one of the lamest, tree hugging, hippy, karen things to say in the most hopeless situation. Imagine your comrades are dying all around you. Your superior officer doesn’t tell you the next course of action, and instead tells you this lame fortune cookie trash. Poe was very restrained because I probably would have executed purple hair lady.

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#1608204
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Approaching Star Wars canon
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Yes, it would be better if there was no absolute canon. Every attempt at a canon contradicts itself and there is no other series that has been retconned into oblivion as SW. It’s ridiculous. I can’t take any of these new books/comics/ games seriously anymore. Ever since ROTJ with Leia being Luke’s sister star wars has been retconned because she was not originally intended to be the sister. Not to mention how Lucas regularly contradicts the Clone Wars books/comics with his cartoon show which is hilarious because it really shows how much contempt he has for the readers and writers. There should only be a “canon” on a story by story basis. This mess is what happens when you let hundreds of writers play in your sandbox only for Lucas to exploit the work for $$$, then turn around and dismiss those stories just to tell his own, which was infinitely inferior. The best attempt at a consistent canon was between 1983 and 1998. After ROTJ and before the prequels. It was pretty consistent then.

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#1608199
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Are you glad Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney or do you wish he hadn’t?
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Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making. The prequel movies sucked but the books, comics, and games were good. In the Disney era, the movies/tv shows are hit or miss and most of the books/comics suck. It’s the same: a mega corporation is running star wars and its like playing the lotto when seeking out a product with artistic integrity. I wish it was more like the 1983-1998 era. That was a magical and special era. Star Wars felt like it had a focus more on quality than quantity and Lucasfilm didn’t feel like a mega corporation like Disney, it felt more like an independent company like New Line Cinema. Until the prequels came out, then things got really kiddy (Yes, i’m aware of the ewoks movies and shows from the 80’s but that was nowhere near as mainstream as the kiddy prequels and clone wars cartoon and the massive marketing behind it)

I do think the “culture war” nonsense that current Lucasfilm employees constantly spew makes me prefer the prequel era because it’s just pathetic and has nothing to do with Star Wars and it’s annoying. I want to escape to a galaxy far away, not Portland. But that has more to do with behind the scenes stuff and not the actual products

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#1608195
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Anyone else think Empire Strikes Back's Special Edition is actually better than the Theatrical Cut?
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The SE version of ESB is the only one I can watch the whole way through. But the stock footage of Vader arriving at Death Star 2 trying to be passed off as Vaders star destroyer is laughable and a little insulting to the most devout fans. Nevertheless it’s great to see Ian as Palpatine but I miss Boba Fett´s original voice. But if I had to choose I’d pick the theatrical because it is a monumental film and historic.

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#1608062
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Which was the better prequel? Kenobi TV show or Prequel Trilogy?
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Channel72 said:

^ Yeah, Andor is uniquely awesome. Was it worth all the other crap that came out of Disney acquiring LucasFilm? I don’t know, maybe. I think the Sequel Trilogy was the most damaging byproduct of the Disney acquisition. The Disney+ garbage is ignored easily enough, but the Sequel Trilogy actually mattered because it was the last time the OT cast would be available. And in my opinion, the Sequels turned out to be a complete mess and a major wasted opportunity (not that George Lucas necessarily would have done any better).

I agree. I think it’s best to ignore the PT and ST entirely. But I think I abhor ST more because of what you stated, the wasted opportunity to use the OT cast wisely. Also Disney had every opportunity to make something better than the prequels. They didn’t. They both suck.

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#1607919
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Several BR/DVD players can't access second layer
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I think you might have bought bootlegs that were not burned correctly. It is the only logical explanation and there are a lot of bootlegs posing as the GOUT because they are easy to replicate and always high priced because there is always a demand for the theatrical cuts.

I own these and they play perfectly on both my 4K players and both my blu ray players.

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#1607918
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In what ways "Revenge of the Jedi" and Leigh Brackett's Empire Strikes Back different from what we got?
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Roobyoo said:

The other hope Yoda speaks of is Luke’s sister Nellith, who has been trained in the Jedi arts at the other side of the galaxy. Leia was just a princess / love interest.

To me that is the thing I would like to have seen the most. I very well love Vader being Luke’s father, but the Luke/Leia thing… it still bugs me.

It was contrived. Totally forced and jarring. And Carrie Fisher´s reaction in the movie was underwhelming (even she admitted this in The Making of Return of the Jedi book). Nellith would have been way better. Fortunately the EU did some interesting things with Jedi Leia.

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#1607917
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Which was the better prequel? Kenobi TV show or Prequel Trilogy?
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Channel72 said:

It’s really hard to compare the two. They’re so radically different, created in different eras, different formats, different motivations (well except for money, that’s a timeless motivation). As an experience, the Prequels are better. The Kenobi show is just kind of depressing. Disney got really cheap on us with the production value, and seeing fan-fiction where sad Ewan McGregor fights Halloween-costume Darth Vader at a construction site off Interstate 95 or something is just, well, sad.

As a general rule, both the Prequels and Disney+ Star Wars suck pretty hard, but the Prequels usually suck in more bafflingly “fun” ways, whereas Disney Star Wars just sucks in boring, depressing ways. Like, an example of the Prequels sucking is like “George Lucas actually wrote an entire Star Wars movie that didn’t even feature adult Anakin!” or “Obi Wan Kenobi rides a cartoon lizard while using a glowstick to poke a cyborg on a unicycle”. Whereas, with Disney, you get “lightsabers behave like baseball bats, everything is poorly lit, the cinematography is vomit, the music is boring and unmemorable, there’s like 3 new main characters that nobody cares about, all character development is replaced with Dave Filoni Rebels cameos, etc.”

You didn’t like Andor? Disney has made a lot of trash but I think it was worth passing it to them just to get Andor, Rogue One, and Mando Season 1 and 2, which are easily better than any movies or tv shows from the prequel era.

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#1607723
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What is your main way of watching the Original Trilogy?
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For me, it all depends on my mood. Sometimes I want to go for full nostalgia, like when I was a kid and watched it on VHS, so I’ll watch the GOUT. Other times, I want the best visual quality for the theatrical cuts so I’ll watch 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83. And other times I’ll want that Blade Runner Final Cut approach and watch the first half of Star Wars in theatrical 4k77 and then switch to the 2019 4K disks for the second hour to skip the awful Jabba Scene but fix the lightsaber FX on the Death Star and see the new FX of the Trench Run, then I watch the entirety of ESB in 2019 4k disc, and for ROTJ watch 4K83 since the SE of this movie is pretty much an abomination for me with Jedi Rocks, Vader’s “Noooooooooo!” and for Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw.

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#1607720
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George Lucas should get more credit for "saving Anakin Skywalker" in Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
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Channel72 said:

Everything in the Prequels is like a bare-bones, skeleton of a story. All the details - all the “connective tissue” - was all filled in later by people who are not George Lucas.

What was Palpatine’s plan in the Phantom Menace? Who knows! He was doing some shady shit with some Trade company to get elected President, that’s all that mattered. Why did the Separatists want to leave the Republic? Who cares! Taxes maybe! Or something! Maybe they were sick of Palpatine’s tacky office furnishings. What about Anakin’s great friendship with Obi-Wan? You know, basically the entire dramatic basis for making these movies? Who cares! It happens mostly off screen. We’ll fill it later with some EU “multi-media” projects or whatever. What really matters is General Grievous has enough screen-time to justify all those ILM man-hours and electricity cost of 3D rendering, and to meet projected sales figures for Grievous toys.

I agree. It’s such a shame. I wish instead of having to rely on books like Darth Plagueis and the ROTS novelization that these were the actual movies…written by competent writers. Instead we got live action movies that feel like cartoons and that don’t feel like they even belong in the same universe as the OT