This might be too much, but you could put flashes of Vader into random scenes like in Fight club.
This actually sounds like a really solid idea. Something similar to Kenobi seeing Anakin in his show, or maybe even just a music cue when Sabine gets angry during training.
Does anyone here have the high quality 1080p clip where Rey daydreams of the island while sitting in the desert with the Rebel helmet on? I can’t find it anywhere.
Check your PMs.
could I get this as well? it’s the first I’ve heard of it
After each crawl, we still pan down through space, just to land on the next Star Wars logo, and the crawl begins anew
Including the extended kiss alone makes this extremely anticipated for me. Could I have a link?
Out of curiosity, would it be possible to edit the Hera trial scene to be referring to the Corellia incident? That could allow us to cut Hera and Jacen out of Seatos, but still provide a conclusion for the New Republic arc in the show.
If Sabine has to have the force, they shouldn’t have made her terrible at it in the beginning. The show spend it’s first few episodes basically telling you she’s terrible via Huyang. Instead she should have been able to use it to a small extent from the start, which could have easily been hand-waved away as something she learned how to do from her previous training with Ahsoka.
But that’s exactly what it’s about and why adults have always made terrible Jedi students since ESB. She’s spent her life not using the Force so will be terrible at it because she’s got 20 years of mindset to undo. Then, when it matters the most it clicks for her.
She’s not lifting an X-Wing, she’s accelerating a 70 odd kilo human who’s already magically levitating themselves, the extra dozen or so metres into a slowly moving wide target. That is in no way not possible for somebody who has probably been taught the theory of levitating even if she couldn’t do it herself until then.Maybe they could have focused on her PoV for all this a bit more, but, at the end of the day, it’s not Sabine’s story.
It’s not just that she’s an adult. Luke had extreme potential in the Force and it still took him time to fully unlock it. The problem is Sabine’s prior training is all offscreen, with nothing to back it up from Rebels (and no, training with the Darksaber does not count). And even still, they still bumrush her from barely being able to pull a saber to throwing Ezra through the air in the span of a few minutes. It took Luke at least days of training to get to where he is by the end of Empire and he’s still not great at it. And he has much more potential than her.
They needed to sell it much better than they did. Sabine honestly shouldn’t have unlocked anything this season tbh. It ends in a failure with Thrawn escaping anyway. Let the audience feel the amount of time and effort she had to put into it rather than one single training sequence and some offhand remarks to OFFSCREEN training. The way they presented it, I just don’t buy it.
I don’t get what the issue with it being offscreen is. It’s not like Luke’s five mins of backflipping in a swamp acually explains any of the skills he has in RotJ or The Mandalorian, you have to assume Yoda acually tought him useful stuff off screen.
Sabine has already done the start of the combat training way back in Rebels and I’m perfectly happy with her having had the Force related bits off screen between then and this show. Fits with Luke and most of Anakin’s training (you know, as we don’t see any of the bits between TPM and AotC onscreen).Because we had four seasons of prior engagement with this character where under no uncertain circumstances was it even hinted at that she was Force-sensitive, Huyang calls her “the worst candidate for a Jedi ever,” and it’s obvious she doesn’t have the talent that someone like Luke did. Also, Empire was a film that had to tell a story in under two hours, whereas Ahsoka was a whole TV show and I’m gonna be honest, the pacing is so godawfully slow, they could have easily incorporated more scenes or flashbacks showing her training. The show has to sell to us that someone who has no talent with the Force whatsoever can eventually attain the ability with enough practice and failure, but they present her with the same struggles Luke had, but they’re not nearly the same situation! Luke was strong in the Force, Anakin was the Chosen One, Sabine is neither of those things and that’s an important distinction that the show fails to actually live up to.
Having everything be off-screen and told to us breaks “Show, don’t tell,” first of all, and it’s also a massive leap from her character in the show that this is basically a sequel to. It feels unearned in every way.
Yeah, honestly, this is what it is for me. It’s not that some new characters couldn’t have force abilities; sometimes, it can work in the narrative. It’s that Sabine is a terrible candidate from a narrative point of view for me, because it goes against everything we’ve seen. In four seasons of Rebels, she was constantly around Kanan, even training with him at one point; and Kanan (after losing his eyesight) became really in tune with the force. The fact that Kanan wouldn’t realize Sabine had solid force-potential and want to train her just goes against everything we’ve seen, and kind of makes Kanan look incompetent (at least at finding force users; which is weird given how quickly he senses Ezra’s ability). And, more than that, I actually thought it was a really fun idea to have Sabine train with a lightsaber (an homage back to her time with the Darksaber), and to become a non-force-sensitive Jedi (which is what Huyang’s comments lead us to believe she is). So just, from a narrative point of you and a in-world-logic point of view, it doesn’t feel like Sabine should be force-sensitive.
Anyway, digressing a bit, if I had one “wish-list” item for an Ahsoka fan edit, it would just be to remove her involvement with Ezra’s massive force jump. This does two things narratively: (1) it makes her force-pulling her lightsaber the defining improvement in her force powers, which I really like given that her previous struggles were in pulling a cup; and (2) it would help Ezra shine a bit more, showing just how in-tune with the force he has become in his time on Peridia without a lightsaber. As a small bonus, it also leaves Sabine room to grow with the force next season, if that’s where they go with it. Anyone who wants to take on this small edit has my full support! 😄
Kanan specifically says in the episode where he trains her that she could be open to the Force, as is anyone.
I’m convinced we’ll eventually just loop back to the original crawl, somehow.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
Luke is naturally strong with the Force. Sabine isn’t. Nor does she seem to resonate strongly with the ways of the Jedi.
You don’t see a problem, from a narrative point of view, with the idea that anybody can become a powerful Force user, despite having no aptitude for it, and putting in minimal effort?
…I suppose that’s an opinion one could hold.
Yes?
“The Force is an energy field that binds all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
“The Force resides in all living things. But you have to be open to it.”
Practically every mentor character in Star Wars screams that anyone can use the Force, so long as they are open to it. Sabine’s arc is about opening up. The implication that one needs to be naturally strong in order to excel in the Force is antithetical to what Star Wars preaches.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
That’s still not how the Force works. You don’t go from level one to one hundred in a matter of minutes, especially if you’re Sabine and didn’t really learn anything.
Luke went from struggling with a training droid to guiding a proton torpedo into an exhaust port within one day. Sabine went from sensing Ahsoka’s presence to pushing a guy a few feet within a few days.
So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:
- So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
- Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
- Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
- I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
- For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
- Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.
Some great ideas if they can be done well. I especially like ideas 2 and 5. Both Ezra and Ahsoka seemed totally fine with Sabine’s reckless and irresponsible behavior. I was dumbstruck by the lack of accountability! Your idea might help to emphasize her reasons for doing what she did.
Also, I have no issue with Sabine having some Force ability, i.e., being a skilled Mandalorian warrior first and a novice Force user second, but her pushing Ezra like that was just silly and unearned. Huyang was right in pointing out her inadequacy. (When the Force can do anything, and anyone can use it, it makes the most interesting thing in Star Wars completely meaningless.)
I also want to add that the zombie noises that the Night Troopers make is ridiculous—far more laughable than creepy. In fact, the Night Troopers coming back to light was pointless because they didn’t actually pose a threat.
The idea that anyone can use the force is introduced in A New Hope
Main one for graphics would be the Mandalorian ships attacking the cannon. The concept is really cool, but it doesn’t look quite polished enough. I’d start there.
Technically he should look like Vader, armor and all. That’s a hill I will die on.
he’s not Vader anymore, he’s back to being Anakin. the humanity that the emperor hid behind the mask has been revealed.
Yes, but every other character that dies and becomes a ghost, they look exactly as they did upon death. There’s no reason that ghost Anakin wouldn’t have scars, missing limbs, or even be out of his armor, aside from convenience.
It could definitely use some work, mainly with sound mixing and certain graphics, but what you’ve got shows promise! I especially like the Mando cockpit scene, the TIE cockpits, and the repurposed Falcon scene. It definitely makes the scene more impactful, but I think giving each character maybe a second more, and maybe making it so they can be heard more clearly, would give it so much more.
There’s also the issue that most of the Mando characters could be dead or have different ships or armor by this point, but obviously that’s not something you can control lol.
Technically he should look like Vader, armor and all. That’s a hill I will die on.
What do you mean dad bod? He looked fine.
Ideally, you could use that one Tales of the Jedi scene, and use visuals from the movie to have them talk. Don’t really know how feasible that is, though
This is going to be a really tough edit isn’t it! As many have said, the footage is there to make an amazing movie, but Filoni always makes it difficult to cut elements because one scene always leads to the next!
I’m not too keen on the idea of opening with episode 3. The presence of a crawl does give a lot of freedom regarding where you start the story because it’s free exposition. However, there will be way too much for the crawl to achieve in order to explain the state of the galaxy, the map, Thrawn and the Sabine/Ahsoka relationship. I think there are elements of episodes 1 and 2 that we need to see.
I think this edit is going to have to be done “back-to-front”, which is what I used to do with my Clone Wars edits. Figure out where you’re going and then figure out how you got there. So what I’ll probably do is edit together 7 and 8 as the final act and see what threads need a start point.
In terms of act 1, one idea I’m floating is to have Ahsoka already in possession of the map, which will be explained in the opening crawl. I’ll still open with Baylan and Shin rescuing Morgan, but then cut to Ahsoka arriving on Lothal. Then I can reinstate the scene where Morgan sends Shin to Lothal. That should all bring in act 1 at 45mins and streamlines things.
We open on the Republic cruiser and the story then moves to Lothal before heading to Seatos.The real battle I’m having with this edit is episodes 3, 4 and 5. It’s so difficult to get those episodes edited down. Has anyone got suggestions of how to remove Ashoka’s stupid space walk? It would be easy if she hadn’t changed her damn outfit! Grrrr
Thanks for all the input. I’ve sent the link to those that have requested it.
Smudger, I think a lot of episode 3 could be cut out, namely the dog fight. Have the starfighters arrive, brief battle in space, and then dive down to Seatos. Don’t include any of Ahsoka’s cockpit scenes, on account of her outfit change. Then, have them lose them in the Purgil, and land. Cut to Baylan sensing them, and then cut to the beginning of 4. If you really need Huyang’s explanation of the hyperspace ring and purgil, you may move that to another scene, as his dialogue is very easy to move, due to not having a mouth.
Also, I still think most of the Jacen content can be cut from 5. Him showing up as Ahsoka wakes up is plenty explanation, it leaves with the audience knowing as much as Ahsoka does. You can intercut the WBW scenes with Sabine’s scenes on Peridea.
4 kinda needs to stay the way it is. I guess you could cut the saber fights down a bit, but honestly they’re some of the best parts of the episode.
Egh, I’m not particular on Ahsoka and Sabine’s falling out either, but it’s instrumental to their relationship in this show, especially Sabine’s decision at the end of 4. Besides, it’s been 10 years. A lot can happen.
I do think that the celebration on Lothal scene should be kept, it introduces the audience to Ezra quickly and will free up the crawl for other details. We’re already asking the audience a lot, assuming they haven’t seen Rebels. Cutting the first two episodes out is gonna strain it.
Now, this may seem presumptuous, but I feel like that’s one of the easier things possible. Once he decides to stay with Jannah on the Destroyer, we get a montage of hologram message playing on FO Destroyers, using AI voice lines and his model from Battlefront with a hologram filter over it.
I didn’t say it would be good, but a mockup should be possible. I’m tempted.
While I get that, I worry that it does gloss over Ahsoka and Sabine’s falling out. If we open on them together, and Ahsoka training her, the impact of them having stopped training isn’t quite as apparent.
Could I please have a link to the rough cut?
I think we could keep Jacen being the one to sense her, just have that info be conveyed after Ahsoka wakes up. I agree he’ll likely be a major character going forward, but his force sensitivity has already been conveyed earlier in the series.
With episodes 5 and 6, I get the feeling you could very easily cut out most of the Hera and Jacen subplot, as well as the New Republic arriving on Seatos, and instead intercut Ahsoka’s WBW journey with Sabine and the others on Peridea? That way, once Ahsoka rides the whales, the witches alert Thrawn about it. I think it could make it a lot tighter, and we could reduce the Jacen subplot to an expository line. I also feel you could cut out the New Republic arriving, and have Ahsoka depart with no interruption. If they are still on Seatos and that becomes a plot point, you could easily slot in their arrival after Ahsoka leaves.
Could I please get a link? This sounds fascinating.
Nev thats absolutely fantastic, I hope that can be implemented.
A bit less instrumental, but I wonder if we could sneak any Easter eggs in the Jedi texts.