Jar Jar Bricks

I guess the difference is that the information that is revealed by the ghosts is never something that could massively change the outcome of the entire plot like what you described. In Luke’s case, it if anything only makes the potential for him to fall to the dark side greater because Vader is able to exploit is newfound connection with Leia. And in Rey’s case, it only provides her further justification as for why she should face her fears.

I will agree that the script writers were definitely only considering the emotional impact of the reveals in this movie, not whether they make sense logically based on what came before.

Yeah but I happen to agree with Hal that Leia piecing together her lineage is insanely dumb. The only way it makes sense is in the context of the novelization where she was already having frequent conversations with Luke’s voice so it’s not a stretch to imagine that he told her - and he knows because he’s omniscient now or something.

Personally, I’d be fine with Luke saying “Because you’re a Palpatine? I had told Leia about it.” But Hal said he doesn’t like the idea of ghosts having that much power over things. I’d push back against that with the fact that it was Obi-Wan’s ghost who all but tells Luke that Leia is his sister so it’s not unprecedented whatsoever. Then again, Obi Wan knew that secret in life, but that’s a mild distinction.

True, but the two are inextricably linked. As Palpatine says, it’s her birthright to rule there. It’s clear that the dark side calls out to Rey (TLJ) and shows her these dark visions because of her heritage. It’s why Kylo Ren doesn’t experience the same things. While it doesn’t make much sense biologically speaking, one could think of it like the dark side as an entity gunning for the rightful heir to the Sith.

I’d say you’re oversimplifying things. The point is the exact opposite of “Leia knew and didn’t care.” It’s the fact that she DID care so much as to return Rey the Skywalker lightsaber and literally say “you are family to me” despite what she’d seen potentially happening in the future. It’s the exact inversion of what Anakin does. Her placing so much hope in Rey is what gives her the strength to push back against that dark fate. It’s extremely powerful stuff.

Whereas the way we currently have it, Leia realizes there is a struggle Rey is going through but may not perceive the exact depth to it. It’s clear that she cares, but who’s to say she wouldn’t be quite disturbed at the idea of Rey becoming Empress of the galaxy? Would her behavior to Rey have changed if she knew the truth of her struggle?

It may not be a big reveal to the audience, but it is to Rey since she is living with that uncertainty of whether or not Leia would judge her for all this. It’s a character development moment, not something to make people gasp.

I’d totally be down to try some of that Zorri stuff, Nev.

As for my previous idea, I just couldn’t help myself - https://youtu.be/MX-HgxqpIQI?si=PbzIctb6tFbibNqA

I believe Hal poked at the line “she still trained me” because at the time Leia would have seen her vision she would have still trained Rey for a year, meaning she couldn’t take back what she’d already given. To that, I say this - fine, delete that line as we currently have it. All Rey needs to say is “She didn’t tell me”.

EDIT: Just realized Rey’s second line could be dubbed over with “She still trusted me.”

krlozdac said:

I was opposed to Leia telling Rey “You are family” from a writing standpoint because I thought it undercuts her journey and I still believe that, but I must say it made me quite emotional hearing that on the scene. Not only for what it means to Rey but because it made Leia feel more alive and present in the movie than ever before.

I would agree with you if not for the fact that Rey is clearly insecure about her self-worth after seeing that vision. Yes, Leia tells her that she is family, but logically that would only serve to make her feel worse about not telling her that she saw herself on the throne of the Sith. She believes that if Leia knew the truth about her then she wouldn’t be saying that.

Which is why I’m mildly miffed that Leia knowing all of this about Rey isn’t in this edit. Something like “Leia saw your vision, too” from Luke on Ahch-To. But I can live without it I suppose.

EDIT: Just remembered that we might be doing this for the new Rey Nobody edit so I might just be able to splice this change into v4.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

One thing we definitely need to do that’s nagged me ever since Restructured is that we are clearly recycling reaction shots of the pilots from later on in the firing sequence. We really just need to mirror the two reaction shots to make them less similar as done in the following example I made - https://youtu.be/gzdKcd_XxnA?si=rcfaDCOoxcvnEc3j

I’d also swap the reaction shot order to make it even less apparent. So Poe first and then the other dude.

I like that first idea a ton, DZ.

One thing we definitely need to do that’s nagged me ever since Restructured is that we are clearly recycling reaction shots of the pilots from later on in the firing sequence. We really just need to mirror the two reaction shots to make them less similar as done in the following example I made - https://youtu.be/gzdKcd_XxnA?si=rcfaDCOoxcvnEc3j

I wouldn’t be opposed to something that sets up the dyad in a subtle way. Arguably it’s already used by Rey because she is able to resist Kylo’s mind probe and see into his own - they share this dyad even at that point, but it’s weak. That’s how she suddenly knows how to mind control. Granted, this edit tries to reframe that as her tapping into the dark side to learn it. But why not both?

I can’t seem to think of another place where their connection could be made more clear. I’ll give it some thought.

I had originally omitted Snoke’s line about bridging their minds but I’ve since decided it’s best to keep it there since that’s the whole twist of the movie.

What we decided to do is change TROS’s line in Ascendant so that Kylo says they’ve become a dyad in the Force, not that they just are one. That way Snoke still bridged their minds, but he didn’t realize he was jumpstarting a latent connection between them.

Fair enough. Honestly my goal here more than anything is to help create the definitive version of the Kenobi flashback scene so edits of Episode 2 like this can use it properly.

Isn’t there glow on Anakin and Dooku when they’re fighting in the dark? Ah, but that’s only when it’s dark. Not sure why Disney exaggerated the glow so much in a room with so much sunlight.

Worst case scenario we can head canon it that when a lightsaber is on training mode it glows brighter. But that does seem counterintuitive.

I’m ready to get to work on whatever Nev wants in terms of AI lines. We definitely need to replace Poe’s line about Ilum because it used the outdated method of using an audio book as a source.

Hal 9000 said:

It wasn’t something I updated, and it sounds good to me as I just double-checked.

It’s definitely a headphones thing then. I’m sure it will sound fine on a speaker because it did the last time I watched it.

This could just be me, but “We’ve become a dyad in the Force” doesn’t sound as smooth as it was in v3? I could just be misremembering this, however.

Good to hear!

It would have been cool to have had access to the voice to voice feature back when we were working on v4 so everybody on the forum here could have contributed their actual voices to the final lines. Ya know, instead of me generating the same line hundreds of times in a row haha.

Good news is that I don’t think it would have resulted in a better-sounding line necessarily, it just would have been faster to get what we wanted. Plus, it’s quite similar to what we did for the civilian fleet.

So unfortunately we are unable to remove the background noises of the lightsabers. And because of that those lines would have to be created by someone who can do a good Anakin impression. But as you said, you aren’t interested in disturbing Hayden’s performance. So our only option would be to find a better way to isolate his lines in those places.

However, as a proof of concept, here are his first two lines de-aged:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1arnygZfBjcmIBnS9OKvi1Wm-ftnx-PWX/view?usp=sharing

Burbin said:

The vision Rey has in the cave in TLJ could also be seen as the Force telling Rey she has no real parents, she sees only herself.

This stuff writes itself lol.

But yeah Kylo would definitely want to emphasize the potential dark side of her destiny, the trouble would be doing that without having him lie in such a critical moment. Even Vader doesn’t lie to Luke. I tried a new line in my previous comment, but anybody else can take a crack at it, too.

hinventon said:

If it’s stated that Rey was chosen by the force to bring balance, I feel like there’s less risk of her turning to the dark, so maybe drawing some connections with Anakin being the “chosen one” and still turning would be interesting.

Exactly, this is what I was trying to nail down with the dialog. The moment still needs to be a big scary reveal for Rey. With everything that she goes through in the film (being drawn to the dark side), her being told that her upcoming decision will essentially decide if the galaxy would be plunged into darkness or back to the light is a HUGE amount of pressure. It gives her a reason to go to Ahch-To. Her thinking could be that if she never has to make that decision the galaxy would be better off without her.

And yeah, we don’t want it to be that she is THE chosen one, because then she’d know she will make the right choice in the end. Rather, she is chosen by the Force to determine the future. And she should be well aware of how much death and destruction Vader caused.

Also, does Rey have a dad if she’s chosen by the force? Do all chosen ones have no father like Anakin? Rey seems to insinuate that she had a father, but she could just be assuming that. Probably not super important but worth thinking about.

Somebody can head canon it that Rey was an immaculate conception if they want, it could be that Rey’s “dad” just started dating/married her mom after she was already pregnant or after she’d been born. So he’d be her step-father.

EDIT: I think I’ve got his line squared away - “Because he saw what you could become. You don’t just have power. You will decide the fate of the galaxy… The Force chose my grandfather. You’re chosen for his legacy, light… or dark. What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’ve become a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one. We’ll kill him. Together. And take his fleet.”

Dayum I could actually get behind that Burbin and I’m partial to Rey Palpatine.

What you described would be perfect for Kylo to say to her in their “reveal” scene in the hangar bay.

“Why did he want to kill a child?”

“Because he saw what you could become. You don’t just have power. You will decide the fate of the galaxy… My grandfather was the chosen one. You were chosen by the Force, too. What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’ve become a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one. We’ll kill him. Together. And take his fleet.”

EDIT: This way you could also keep his line “the dark side is in our nature” later on since they’re both linked to the same man technically.

It isn’t something that AI would create 100% though. It’s more like applying a voice filter to the preexisting performance.

Hayden’s voice could probably be fixed - it would just take quite a bit of effort.

We’d need to rip the center channel of when he’s speaking from other parts of the film and isolate his voice with AI. Then we use that as source material for a voice clone. And then we input his lines from the Kenobi scene into the new ElevenLab’s feature. His lines would then sound like his younger self and be delivered exactly how they were originally.

But yeah that’s a lot of effort for only one piece to the puzzle. The camera work is always going to be out of place.

SpenceEdit said:

timdiggerm said:

SpenceEdit said:

I’ve decided to release two versions of AOTC, exactly the same except one will include the flashback scene from Obi-Wan Kenobi and the other will not. I’ve thought a lot about this, and I personally feel like having the scene is like slotting in a missing piece of the script, something that always should’ve been there. However, I can’t ignore that no matter how much tinkering I do, it will never feel like it’s completely a part of this film, as it was filmed 20+ years later than the rest of it. Some may be more bothered by it’s inclusion than others, and I’ve made a lot of changes beyond that that people may be interested in. So it’s going to be available with the scene (my preferred version, and the one I’ll personally watch) and without it.

Have you done much in making it look worse, so it fits the rest of the film better?

The problem is mostly that the cinematography styles don’t match and the actors are visibly two decades older.

Aren’t you using the deep fake version?

101 words is too many for a crawl. Ideally it should never reach 90 words as none have thus far.

I think what we have for the first two paragraphs has been locked in for a long time now. There’s really no sense in even touching those. As for the final paragraph, I actually appreciate how it mirrors The Phantom Menace’s crawl. Any additional links we can add to the prequel trilogy in this movie are very welcome because they clearly tried to distance themselves from those until IX.

Besides, as our good pal George would say: “It’s like poetry. They rhyme.”

I don’t want to start shouting in the house for that line and have my family think I’m crazy but my preliminary tests are pretty darn good. I just need to collect Poe lines from the required scenes and have the background noise stripped using RL’s isolation software.

Ideally, there are also other people on the forum here who might sound more like the actors. It mostly just depends on your inflections, though. But my microphone quality isn’t the most fantastic out there. I’m completely reliant on NVIDIA Broadcast AI tools to make it sound good.

Looks like you can now use your own voice in ElevenLabs on any of your previously cloned voices to guide the generation. Should make creating new lines pretty straightforward. I’ve done a fair bit of stage acting before so I should be able to handle this.

If I recall correctly, we wanted to fix Poe’s line about Ilum and add something about not wanting the sacrifice of the Republic to be in vain - in order words give a reason why they go in for another attack run on Starkiller.