Did they intentionally re-time it to look like the Disney+ SW style?
NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…
ALI…
That is literally the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen in my life… WOW, bravo ALI bravo
Seriously… what happened to all the color before???
The answer is:
As goes George’s hair, so goes Bespin’s sky.
NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…
ALI…
That is literally the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen in my life… WOW, bravo ALI bravo
Seriously… what happened to all the color before???
NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…
ALI…
2019 UHD…
2011 blu ray…
4K80…
The 2006 GOUT DVD…
a streamable video clip of the above scene: https://streamable.com/k0ru7f
Surely that 2011 isn’t real!!! 😂
Does anyone else here know which interview I’m remembering where GL says “the original film/negative/interpositive” was cut up for 97ANH? And the the “original” no longer exists. I’m pretty sure he made it clear but he may have been referring to existing media of that time degrading.
He re-cut the negative, yes. But the trims were saved, not tossed in the trash.
So, he was being honest, on a technicality, that the original negative didn’t exist. But all of its components still existed, just in pieces.
i still can imagine if lucus arts and lucus films releases a undone pre special edition uncut unrated and uncensored super extended verison along with a 1997 special edition style uncut unrated and uncensored super extended verison for the 50th anniversary
Eh?
It’s just like the original except using the takes where Chewy is naked.
They’re going to digitally paint out the bandolier?
Uncensored means uncensored.
i still can imagine if lucus arts and lucus films releases a undone pre special edition uncut unrated and uncensored super extended verison along with a 1997 special edition style uncut unrated and uncensored super extended verison for the 50th anniversary
Eh?
It’s just like the original except using the takes where Chewy is naked.
I’ve heard both companies have gotten notably better with their UHD encodes, though.
Actually, wait, isn’t Sony the company in charge of doing the encoding/pressing of the discs now at Disney? I thought they’d taken that aspect over a little bit ago.
Yes, when Criterion uses FIM, as they did with Eyes Wide Shut.
Sony now distributes Disney physical media via SDS, yes. But I don’t think that implies Sony is encoding the video or even authoring the discs.
None of the studios manufacture their own discs…
Anyway, back to the actuall topic of this thread.
I hope they release the movies in a box set and not separately like the UHDs. Yes, I know they had a “Star Wars Saga” box set, but that had all nine films…
The home video aspect is really interesting to me. We still don’t know WHO this restoration company is, and why they’re using a codename. I kinda/sorta WANT it to be Criterion or Criterion affiliated (Disney has worked with Criterion before. Not frequently, BUT THEY HAVE. And the restoration crews that work on Criterion stuff are VERY FRIENDLY with the Disney folks who do film restoration as well. That’s all a bunch of conjecture and what-if but I also think it would be really, really cool if Disney decided to license an original theatrical trilogy home video release to Criterion.
I know it’s much, much more likely they do it on their own (and they can do it on their own, clearly) but it would be so cool if this was a boutique release, by probably the most well-known/well-respected boutique label. I think it’s a no-brainer it’ll be on Disney+ no matter what (they’ve been sitting on those Vintage labels there forever, LOL)
Either way, I gotta imagine it’s going to be a trilogy set, not a saga set. Especially if they’re trilogy theatrical releases, which I think they almost gotta be.
I would MUCH prefer Disney encoded the disc than Criterion 😅
If people stop replying to rm4747 hopefully she will stop posting.
+1
Anyway, back to the actuall topic of this thread.
I hope they release the movies in a box set and not separately like the UHDs. Yes, I know they had a “Star Wars Saga” box set, but that had all nine films…
I don’t care whether it’s a trilogy or individual SKUs, so long as it’s on my shelf by Christmas 2027!
Nice. They even go against brand and talk about how it was renamed. But again “a once in a generation event” for no reason? It better not be put in the Disney vault afterwards.
They’re going to maximize revenue, which means streaming and disc.
The announcement for now is only about the theatrical event. So that’s what once in a generation refers to.
They must still have the filmout tape which is the completed and finished negative. And the print master used to create cinema release prints. And the later DI which likely reflects the changes made for the 3D release and the 2011 Blu-Ray.
Was the whole negative a filmout, or only the DFX?
I think it’s kind of funny the 1997 edits on home video are stuck on primitive telecine to VHS, laserdisc and vcd. There is no DVD.
Lucas original vision never was on anything of higher quality except 35mm theater prints.
I don’t see Disney preserving those or the theatrical Phantom Menace.
They will do the originals only.
Was the negative of TPM conformed to the Blu-Ray cut?
They also had the option of scanning the separation masters, which are pretty much pristine and don’t fade at all, but that’s more work/time/money and apparently the negatives were still salvageable.
They did scan the Separation Masters. And used them as a primary reference for color and fade correction.
They probably scanned the three separation masters in 4K since they were only interested in the color, planning to combine them later and use them as a reference for grading the OCN. But if they did that with the three masters, I think it would have been faster to scan the three separation masters in 8K, combine them, clean them up a bit, and release it. The separation masters together are a literal, identical copy of the OCN, without the extra grain, since they are black and white copies with finer grain, inked with ink. But all in all, what they are doing is incredible: restoring the original from the degraded OCN to the digital realm, this time in good condition, using miraculous techniques, effort, a large budget, and the most modern and refined techniques since the concept of a “digital master” existed for those restorations of classics. We’ve seen The Wizard of Oz, Lawrence of Arabia, and Blade Runner restored for preservation, respecting their legacy, and now it’s Star Wars’ turn.
But even still, they’re second-generation. Right?
That is to say, yes, but you don’t notice it. Being black and white films, their grain is finer than that of a 1970s color film. In fact, when YCM Labs made their corrected IP, which was used as the master for the 97SE, ultra-fine grain color films already existed. Therefore, in 2004 they wouldn’t have needed to use OCN to restore it so poorly in digital, since they had a perfect print, a literal copy of the negative without necessarily worse quality for being second generation, and with the SE additions and changes that George liked so much.
If this were true, they’d always use the seps and not risk wear on the negative.
While they’re an extremely high quality second-gen copy, they’re still going to have some degree of generational loss…
George is the same one who has insisted on using the negative whenever possible
I don’t mean just Star Wars. Look at almost every major studio 4K release. Seps are only used in modern transfers when the negative is irreversibly damaged.
that doesn’t change the fact that the separation masters together are a literal copy of the OCN
So is an IP from that same point of view. Both are second gen. I don’t get your point.
Ted Gagliano states: “You know the original negative will fade, so you can turn to the separation masters; it’s the record of what it’ll look like and it’ll last forever. So the negative you make off your YCMs should be just as good as the original negative.”
He said this in 1997. I could see this being true if your goal is making release prints that are another three gens away. But for a 4K digital presentation—which did not exist in 1997—I’m doubtful the statement holds.
They also had the option of scanning the separation masters, which are pretty much pristine and don’t fade at all, but that’s more work/time/money and apparently the negatives were still salvageable.
They did scan the Separation Masters. And used them as a primary reference for color and fade correction.
They probably scanned the three separation masters in 4K since they were only interested in the color, planning to combine them later and use them as a reference for grading the OCN. But if they did that with the three masters, I think it would have been faster to scan the three separation masters in 8K, combine them, clean them up a bit, and release it. The separation masters together are a literal, identical copy of the OCN, without the extra grain, since they are black and white copies with finer grain, inked with ink. But all in all, what they are doing is incredible: restoring the original from the degraded OCN to the digital realm, this time in good condition, using miraculous techniques, effort, a large budget, and the most modern and refined techniques since the concept of a “digital master” existed for those restorations of classics. We’ve seen The Wizard of Oz, Lawrence of Arabia, and Blade Runner restored for preservation, respecting their legacy, and now it’s Star Wars’ turn.
But even still, they’re second-generation. Right?
That is to say, yes, but you don’t notice it. Being black and white films, their grain is finer than that of a 1970s color film. In fact, when YCM Labs made their corrected IP, which was used as the master for the 97SE, ultra-fine grain color films already existed. Therefore, in 2004 they wouldn’t have needed to use OCN to restore it so poorly in digital, since they had a perfect print, a literal copy of the negative without necessarily worse quality for being second generation, and with the SE additions and changes that George liked so much.
If this were true, they’d always use the seps and not risk wear on the negative.
While they’re an extremely high quality second-gen copy, they’re still going to have some degree of generational loss…
The physical release is obvious but They will most likely just release the ULTIMATE ORIGINAL boxset after all 3 films have been released in theaters + another year of waiting. And since ROTJ came out in 83, that would mean the boxset wouldn’t see a relase till 2034 or 5. Which would be in 9/10 years… Or They could release individual boxsets for each film after the theaterical release along with bonus content from that movie as a bonus dvd. Or they might only include the deleted scenes and bonus material in the ultimate collection to make people actually buy all 3 films bundled up again; Just this time it’s justified since theres extra content for each movie.
They’re not going to sit on them that long. They will release a box set before Christmas 2027 or I’ll eat my shoe.
I think the variety of online attention it received since it originally leaked on Reddit probably led to them announcing it. After that leak it was repeated by a variety of pretty mainstream websites. Pretty much impossible for one person to take credit for it, except the person who originally discovered the ALI YouTube page and downloaded all of the clips.
I’d be surprised if their original plan was to announce this today.
It was a very short blurb on their website with no details, and it seemed like they were just trying to get ahead of the leaks.
Very much seems like something they’d announce with more fanfare usually, like at Celebration 2027 (maybe the home media releases will be announced there?)
They haven’t announced Empire or Jedi yet either. Maybe those are planned for 2030 and 2033 in theaters? Hopefully we don’t have to wait that long for the home media releases…
If be shocked if they weren’t released in a boxed set. That’s the Star Wars home media MO
Clearly not, because the color grading on all previous home media releases has been way off.
First of all, if those releases look bad it’s because they didn’t use color references, not because they didn’t have any, the 2004 release looks awful because George was out of his mind
Bingo. It’s never been about available elements. It’s been about either how George wanted them to look or didn’t care how they looked.
I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.
What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.
I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.
I’d be surprised if LF doesn’t have an actuate color reference in their archives.
What is with the magenta push on the UHD? It looks like a Blu-Ray that re-used a 90s timed-for-CRT DVD master.
Detail: ALI…
Detail: UHD…
Well, it’s important to note that this shot was digitized in 2K in 1997 to add the rope holding Han, so the UHD not only includes that shot with a clearly lower resolution, but also suffers from excessive DNR for the 3D conversion, which caused the image to lose detail.
Yeah, the point of the comparison is that this isn’t sourced from the UHD. Or you’re right, it would also have quality loss. Also good to note that the 97 filmouts also had fake digital grain added on top to disguise the new CG! So yeah, doubly worse…
I don’t know why you say “digital fake grain was added.” This shot was scanned, digitized, had CGI added, and was reprinted. If there’s supposedly more grain, it’s because of the reprinting. Although, back then, films had very fine grain, so no detail was lost when reprinting a film a second time. In the case of the enhanced shots in Star Wars, they look “worse” because they were rendered in 2K.
No, they had fake grain added onto them aswell… even in '97.
https://youtu.be/RMzif1D0nyAWell, I think it refers more to the completely computer-generated shots, like the CGI shots of the Battle of Yavin, the CGI arrival on Bespin, among others, but the existing shots that were altered already had grain, and when reprinting, the natural grain of the new film did its thing.
I’m sorry, why are we making assumptions here? In the full video he says this was done to both new and “changed” shots. There are many original shots that appear to have had more grain in them in the SE evidenced by the need of more aggressive DNR…
I wonder if the terrible, dated quality of the SE shots had more to do with Disney going back to the Original than any kind of principle. Ironic, given the supposed intent of the SE, that a 4K transfer made with modern tools of the OOT will look better than one of the SE.
Detail: ALI…
Detail: UHD…
Well, it’s important to note that this shot was digitized in 2K in 1997 to add the rope holding Han, so the UHD not only includes that shot with a clearly lower resolution, but also suffers from excessive DNR for the 3D conversion, which caused the image to lose detail.
Yeah, the point of the comparison is that this isn’t sourced from the UHD. Or you’re right, it would also have quality loss. Also good to note that the 97 filmouts also had fake digital grain added on top to disguise the new CG! So yeah, doubly worse…
I don’t know why you say “digital fake grain was added.” This shot was scanned, digitized, had CGI added, and was reprinted. If there’s supposedly more grain, it’s because of the reprinting. Although, back then, films had very fine grain, so no detail was lost when reprinting a film a second time. In the case of the enhanced shots in Star Wars, they look “worse” because they were rendered in 2K.
No, they had fake grain added onto them aswell… even in '97.
https://youtu.be/RMzif1D0nyA
So when the 4K transfers came around, I guess George decided he was over it, and just said, eff it… freeze it all!
First of all I want to say this is all great fun and I’m not trying to “gotcha” anybody, but in the 4K clip compilation the dirt/dust that got through the Reliance 4K restoration seems to match that of these “ALI” clips, which isn’t helping dispel my theory that these are sourced from the UHD, re-timed (often appealingly so!), sharpened and re-grained. Just to highlight a few, comparing grabs from the D+77 and the vid Sonny Hale posted:
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No I don’t always have this much time on my hands, but today I did lol. Thoughts?
Breaking news: local man finds out about baked in film artifacts. More at 11.
Little Nemo is our only hope!
Hey guys, I’m not trying to “gotcha” anybody, but I think that 4K77 is just the UHD, but color timed and regrained! And these two sources were created almost 40 years apart! TN1 are such hoaxers omg.
This is all such great fun…
That’s the smoking blaster!
Ummmm given Reliance and this would both be sourced from the OCN… why wouldn’t we expect the dirt to match?
