Swazzy

Does a Web-DL of this version even exist yet?

spleaterzeldax said:

TonyWDA said:

Swazzy said:

Glad to have confirmation it was considerably darker on film…

Well, remember, after a scan, you can color-correct and grade the visual elements in whichever way you want. The new 4K may be film-sourced and a few points darker than the preexisting HD transfer, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s what it looked like on original theatrical release prints. What you see in the 4K is likely a regrade to give a film a slightly newer look. You’d need to track down an original 2004 print and have it projected to know what TSSM more or less looked like in theaters. My memory of the print shown at SVA in 2018 is that it looked identical to what’s on the home video releases, but even I’m beginning to question that because it’s been so long since I’ve seen the darn thing.

Swazzy said:

Are you certain this is how it looks with HDR, or is there a HDR grade that was supposed to be applied but wasn’t in these screenshots?

On an actual HDR-enabled display, it’s only a touch brighter than the screenshots I posted, which are tone-mapped SDR snapshots of the new transfer. But you’re still more or less seeing how the new version looks.

The regrade makes it look older

Have to agree, you can see in all my squabbling over the ‘original’ colors in this thread throughout the years, the one thing I was sure of was the dimmer color palette, whites appearing as grey and boosted saturation to compensate for that. It’s been 20 years since I saw the movie in theaters but it does line up with what I remember. I would not see it again for another few years on DVD, where it looked more vibrant and like the regular cartoon than I remember it looking. I’m sure most people prefer the digital master, and it’s likely how the movie was always intended to look, but I appreciate having the filmic version as well (if only by way of some haphazard Nick executive decision to simply get a 4K version out)

TonyWDA said:

Well… it’s dimmer. Unlike the DVD and Blu-ray releases, the HDR version is a film-sourced transfer, matted to 1.85:1 with some of the colors dialed up. (Note the colors on the eyes of Mr. Krabs, Plankton, Gary, and Patrick’s pants.) I still need to check the rest of the HDR version and see how it compares to the original transfer.

Well dang…this is more or less what I was trying to accomplish a decade or so ago lol. Glad to have confirmation it was considerably darker on film, the way I remember it being in theaters. Are you certain this is how it looks with HDR, or is there a HDR grade that was supposed to be applied but wasn’t in these screenshots?

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Is anyone up for this challenge? I would if I had a powerful enough Editing PC for it. I really would love something like this after tonight’s episode. It’d be the same deal as chronologically LOST, split up into ~50 minute segment ‘episodes’. Obviously a lot would be unchanged since none of the three properties don’t rely a ton on flashbacks, but I’d love if there was a quick and easy way to watch all of the story in order.

Hey hey hi could I get a link for your prequel trilogy edits? About to start a marathon. Greatly appreciated

Thanks to the new availability of a CAM rip and theatrical trailer scans provided by Notelu and bslatky respectively, I’ve been able to more concretely approximate how this thing looked on a print:

The colors still need to be tweaked for accuracy, but all in all this gels with how I remember the theatrical presentation.

I bought this same trailer years ago and never got around to scanning it. Nice to finally see.

This was very enjoyable, and I have few criticisms outside of some minor quibbles. Namely, some of the transitions: I think you had left the establishing shot of the Senate before cutting back to TCW, after which then goes to the interior of the Senate with Palpatine at his post. Also things like Obi saying “who could have done this?” which would then normally cut to Anakin killing the separatists, now cuts to Asokha. Not exactly a mistake, but a removal the visual dovetail that existed in the base film. Sometimes the score contradicts itself during some transitions. However other times the transitions are seamless and I genuinely was caught off guard when the film had switched tracks, so to speak.

I think it is made better as a text with the inclusion of the TCW characters, the humanization of the clones through Rex and the pacifism displayed by Asokha that the jedi dogma keenly disregard in adjacent scenes. Darth Maul’s presence also helps tie the film back to the first episode thematically.

What would really bring it together is a companion fan edit that makes AOTC & the preceding necessary TCW episodes two acts of one movie.

Still coming back to this one every now and then. I think the look I’m seeking is less complicated than I made it out to be, however I’ve made some headway with after effects. I really think there is some added definition, and even more of a ‘nautical’ feel, with the filmic glaze over the image:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/JMFB1NNU

Hal 9000 said:

I couldn’t make this up: there was only one person in front of me in the theater (far from a packed house this morning), and when it was revealed that Rey was a Palpatine, he muttered something under his breath, got up, and left.
I stifled a laugh and let it out once he was far enough away.

JEDIT: God damn all these Star Wars… please don’t make me do it…

Episode 9: A complete restructure

“It’s the same Rise of Skywalker you know and…know”

To quote a familiar critic: “Yep, that’s what all of this was leading up to: nothing”

Convenient that what used to be the analogue for the OT is now for the ST. As if they both serve the same literary purpose in a discordant manner.

I’ll grant the Last Jedi was concerned with decontructing the mythos in a way that maybe could’ve moved things forward. I cannot grant that to the other two.

Broom Kid said:

I don’t agree it undoes ROTJ’s conclusions any more than the onward march of time “undoes” the actions (and the meaning behind the actions) of the people who fought (and died) for things in the past.

When the allied powers won the war and created a peacetime, History didn’t continue with Zombie Hitler reinstating the Axis Powers tenfold and starting World War 3 in the 1970’s

After viewing this film, I would like to formally apologize for any railing against the Last Jedi I may have conducted in the previous two years.

‘There’s nothing left to say, the saga is dead to me now, you know.’

‘The saga is over anyway, you know. Convenient.’

JawsTDS said:

Finally, some 4K screencaps of THE PHANTOM MENACE, without the HDR grade. Looks super DNR’d, just like the Blu-ray.

Not sure what ‘without the HDR grade’ actually removes but it didn’t look like this at all when I streamed it on a 4KTV

Harmy said:

Mandalorian is “out there” in 4K HDR, so the drm has clearly been broken on day one, so I think for those of us who won’t get D+ until 2021 (and believe me, if I could get it now, I’d be the first in line), someone will put the new masters out as well.

I know in your most recent video you explained why Despecialized won’t be progressing very much for now, but has this Disney+ business changed that at all?

“Damn near monochrome” I believe is exactly what Verta said about the Reliance media restoration.

To call them Special Editions is to be defiant of the notion that films altered decades after completion are the de facto versions.

I also watched TPM, it looked fine but for some reason the saturation was extremely blown out during the scene of the council testing Anakin’s force connection. Maybe it was my TV settings but it was a total outlier.

The color changes are appreciated, but otherwise this is pretty embarrassing.

I’m not, sorry. Great work on this project though.

What Plinkett did was give an extremely fleshed-out voiced to the many who were already predisposed to hate the films. The issue then is that the critical thinking has already been done for the majority, so all future discussion is corked from the get-go. It’s hard to contest in favor of those films when the points being parroted en masse (over-abundance of computer graphics, poor direction/framing/blocking, letting the pop-culture dictate the over-importance of the major subjects i.e. Vader) are bulletproof. Even if there’s still a wealth more to discuss, a feature-length assessment is enough for most people.

Obviously it’s going to be a niche consumer product when it’s mere existence is scrubbed from the popular consciousness by the powers that be, and therein lies the problem that projects like Star Wars Legacy seek to resolve. Most people aren’t deciding not to watch a Star Wars without prosthetic CGI addenda and superior color/picture quality, because they’re not even aware of the option.