Finally got my hands on 1997 ESB in HD. Thanks to trillary dump for the movie reconstruction!
So that I’ve made my cover based on 1997 VHS. Gold and Silver version…
That cover looks amazing dude! You planning on making them for ANH and ROTJ?
That it definitely will. My point was simply that there’s little point to 4K when even the 1080p Blu-Ray has more fine detail.
I think the reason that 35mm film is scanned in 4k so it captures the most amount of film grain not so much for its detail since it’s expected to have a softer image than the original negative.
Well, have you at least finished it yet? I already have HD Special Editions of the first two movies and I am really wanting a copy of your preservation of the Special Edition of ROTJ to complete the trilogy. Thank you.
V2 has been done for some time now. Pm me if you want a link.
Hi all! Just looking for a link to Return of the Jedi 1997 Special Edition HD Reconstruction - would be the perfect Christmas gift!! Thanks in advance
Will this version be released on the 'spleen?
I didn’t have any plans on uploading to the 'spleen myself but if anyone wanted to do that themselves I don’t have a problem with it!
I’m only going include the “Skywalker Saga” films. My list changes every time I marathon the films but this is my ranking as of now. Just for some context I was -1 years old when TPM came out so the Prequels were always a part of Star Wars when I got into it, which is why they are probably ranked too high.
- The Empire Strikes Back 10/10
- A New Hope 10/10
- Revenge of the Sith 9/10
- Return of the Jedi 8/10
- The Rise of Skywalker 7/10
- The Phantom Menace 7/10
- The Force Awakens 6/10
- The Last Jedi 4/10
- Attack of the Clones 3/10
(“Relative to its budget, Attack of the Clones is the worst movie ever put to film.” -Rich Evans)
I just got out of the theater about an hour ago. I did go into the film with some spoilers from the leaks, not all (i.e. force healing, Rey Palpatine, Rey’s yellow lightsaber).
On paper I thought a lot of the plot details sounded pretty bad and seeing the RT score made me think that this would be a terrible film. But after seeing film, I found most of the plot points that I already knew about was fulfilling and entertaining. So the moral of the story is go see this movie and form your own opinion about it 😃
I think that this movie would benefit from being longer since it is trying to do so much within its runtime, but I still enjoyed it nonetheless. My ranking for the Sequel Trilogy as of right now is TROS, TFA, TLJ.
No need to apologize! All good things take time and patience 😉
Do you know if the final version will be BD compliant?
If it’s the theatrical version I seriously doubt it would be a different master than has been used in the past, so the edge enhancement will likely still be an issue.
Is it possible it could be a 35mm telecine?
You probably already know and took care of this since you were very thorough when talking about your last version before using Hal’s work as a source, but just a quick reminder since you didn’t mention it in your post - the Wampa scene and the Emperor scene also require a different source than Hal’s custom SE.
Yeah I should’ve mentioned it. I used the 2004 version for the Wampa and KK5SO’s version had the original Emperor
Just finished using Hal’s Custom SE and KK5SO’s version (for unaltered cloud city scenes) and I must say, DrDre did a great job on the color grade! I’ll have a link available for it tomorrow.
Any thought of authoring your 97 reconstructions to blu-ray?
Yeah I have thought about it but I wouldn’t know where to start if I were to make menus for them. I usually just put the mkv into tsMuxer (I think) to create a Blu day iso without any menus just the film.
I’ll do just what Ash said, give me a few days to throw this new version together and hopefully that’ll turn out better!
Is there going to be color correction? Harmy said Adywan’s version was very Gout like in color which is incorrect for the 1997SE.
I wasn’t planning on doing a cc since I really like the completely white Hoth scenes, but if I were to replace the Hoth scenes with a regraded Blu Ray source so it’s slightly blue again, would anyone be more interested in that?
Weren’t these ESB and ROTJ 1997 preservations meant to be accompaniments to Harmy’s existing ANH 1997 preservation?
Yep that’s right. I have no intentions of doing ANH, Harmy and Team Blu have perfectly fine preservations!
Some screenshots comparing the changes (using LD and Blu Ray screenshots not from this preservation):
Hi everyone after doing a restoration of the 1997 version of ROTJ (very close to being 100% completed) I thought I’d make a more accurate version of ESB 1997 based off of Adywan’s great work. Adywan’s ESB 1997 kept in a lot of changes that were made in 2004 that bothered me (mostly all of the Falcon’s cockpit shots being left cropped) so I threw this version together in a couple of days. This preservation is in 720p unlike Adywan’s version which is 1080p, so I would say that if you don’t care about the changes that I made here, go ahead and get Adywan’s since it’s higher resolution.
- Main source: Hal9000’s Empire Custom SE
- KK5SO’s Custom SE
- 2004 HDTV
- Harmy’s Despecialized ESB v2.0
- Harmys Respecialized ANH (for “A long time ago” title card)
- ESB 1997 LD (for one shot that is zoomed in on only for the 97 version)
- Used Harmy’s Respecialized ANH to replace the Episode II style “A long time ago” title card in the 2004 version (and was still present in Adywan’s version)
- Used a clip from a 1997 LD capture to replace the shot of Luke’s feet stuck in the Wampa’s cave since it was zoomed in on only for this version
- Used Harmy’s Despecialized ESB to replace all of the zoomed in Millenium Falcon cockpit shots (except for one shot that was zoomed in for the 97 version)
- Used Harmy’s Despecialized to replace all scenes with lightsabers since they were redone for 2004 (and were still present in Adywan’s version)
- Used Harmy’s Despecialized to replace scenes on Bespin where Han’s shoulders have shadows on them which creates the illusion that he’s wearing his vest (shoulders were digitally lightened in 2004)
- Used Harmy’s Despecialized to replace scenes where the Imperial rank badges on some characters have been digitally re positioned (2004 change)
- The entire film has also been synced to the cinema DTS and LD 5.1 track
There are still a few things that are 2004 changes that are still in here, but they are just re composited elements that look almost identical to the 97 version.
Pm me for a link (it’s a 20gb file so it’s a megalink this time)
Thanks Jason! I’m really happy with how they turned out, especially the discs 😃
Hey I thought I’d throw in my Blu Ray art for the 97 SE Trilogy. I scanned the box art from my widescreen VHS tapes and arranged them to fit Blu Ray. They should look a lot better when they’re printed out and not on a screen.
Disc art is here: https://imgur.com/a/b8NoKFR
Color correction is underway thanks to another OT user that I’ll keep anonymous for now! I also caught a couple of mistakes thanks to DoubleOFive’s comparison. 4k83 will be used for the Rancor scenes and for Luke talking to Ghost Ben on Dagobah since they were changed in 2004 and not 1997 like I had originally thought.
I also made blu ray covers and disc art for the entire 1997 Trilogy using scans of the VHS boxes.
Disc art is here: https://imgur.com/a/b8NoKFR
Yeah, it would definitely be more accurate to fix the color on the 2004 HDTV lightsaber shots than to use the Blu-Ray. However…were the lightsabers in Jedi actually ever recomposited before the cores were replaced in 2011? I seem to remember that only being the case for a few shots in ANH, with ESB and ROTJ’s lightsaber composites being untouched in 1997…
I compared the HDTV and Blu Ray and didn’t see any differences in the rotoscoping. And I should’ve phrased that better, the majority of the lightsaber shots are from 2004, but the three or four shots of the sabers having those blown out neon cores and clipping were swapped by the Blu Ray.
UPDATE: I have officially finished the v2 of this project using all new sources (listed above). There are now theatrical subs, DTS synch, and improved sources. I want to give special shoutouts to ZigZig and Schorman for helping me out!
Zig was kind enough to purchase PAL and NTSC laserdisc sets, capture the scenes I needed from them, add in the TB and Gkar broadcasts, upscale all of that using SuperResolution, and finally merge all of them together using the “PANup” method (https://forum.fanres.com/thread-25.html) to get the best possible quality out of all of the SD frames. It basically gets pseudo-HD frames out of it, and in the words of Larry David, it looks pretty, pretty, pretty good!
Here are some screenshot comparisons (the third screencap is especially impressive!):
Instead of having the sources switch midshot, I just had Zig’s footaage replace all of the planets celebrating since it’d be too jarring to have it switch without a cut. So as of right now everything is finished except for color correction, the film is color timed to the 2004 versions (minus the botched lightsabers, those shots are replaced by the Blu-Ray). At first I was thinking of getting this color corrected to DrDre’s 4k83 LUT, but now I’m leaning towards learning to make my own LUT based off of the Gkar release and applying it. Hopefully that’ll get done soon!
I have a link for v2 at the ready so PM me if you’re interested!
Can’t wait until I can have my complete box set with theatrical-97-04-11 and revisited all together. For now other reason then I totally need 5 different ways to watch the same movie
I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants to make a box set like that! I’m actually trying to make three multi-disc boxsets for each movie like the Blade Runner box set!
One thing I noticed was that you used the Theatrical “A long time ago” text, instead of the newer version that appeared in the Special Editions and prequels. However, upon further inspection of a '97 PAL DVD and '97 Laser Disc, for some reason the new text was only added to Empire and ANH, and Return of the Jedi still has the theatrical text, so your reconstruction is still accurate.
Huh I didn’t even know there was a difference! I’ll have to use 4k83 to put the theatrical text back in for V2. Thanks for sharing that info!
Also that’s weird that they forgot to update the text for ROTJ
Subtitles are finished thanks to Schorman for helping!