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#1507628
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

Class316 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

Some of the new eps have fire references. Why would they remove from the old ones?

it has to do with the episode Comedians, when it aired a family claimed their son set the house on fire because of that episode he saw on TV (though this turned out to be a hoax) and MTV freaked out and censored prior episodes removing fire references or scenes for future broadcasts and apparently they destroyed the uncensored masters, meaning that they “officially” only exist censored now supposedly

since Sporting Goods is its censored version on Paramount+ (iirc it only aired uncensored once), it seems like that certain edits are baked in to the early episodes now

Or at least the majority of tapes out there contain the edit, and are more likely to be transferred by someone who isn’t particularly aware.

10 episodes were added this week, by the way.

yep I saw, all of them for seasons 5 and 7

any edits to them?

Not that I’m aware of.

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#1507625
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SpacemanDoug said:

Class316 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

Some of the new eps have fire references. Why would they remove from the old ones?

it has to do with the episode Comedians, when it aired a family claimed their son set the house on fire because of that episode he saw on TV (though this turned out to be a hoax) and MTV freaked out and censored prior episodes removing fire references or scenes for future broadcasts and apparently they destroyed the uncensored masters, meaning that they “officially” only exist censored now supposedly

since Sporting Goods is its censored version on Paramount+ (iirc it only aired uncensored once), it seems like that certain edits are baked in to the early episodes now

Or at least the majority of tapes out there contain the edit, and are more likely to be transferred by someone who isn’t particularly aware.

10 episodes were added this week, by the way.

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#1507617
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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Class316 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

Some of the new eps have fire references. Why would they remove from the old ones?

Yeah, I don’t think fire is going to be an issue at all, unless there is difficulty actually finding the tapes, or finding an intern/whomever that’s actually familiar with the episodes to transfer the tapes.

Although Mike has, in the past, requested certain episodes taken out of circulation, I think it has more to do with his opinion of their quality rather than content like fire. Paramount has already shown episodes not included in the Mike Judge Collection, so there’s no indication whatsoever that he’s blocking anything.

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#1507087
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SpacemanDoug said:

it seems they’re not releasing anymore episodes which is a bummer

either they gave up or they’re holding out until all of the episodes can be cleared

Actually it resumes the 12th of October (which probably means 11:59 Pacific time Wednesday). They seemed to stop during the new season.

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#1498329
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.

KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.

Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.

These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).

Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.

so the episodes that are available already, are there any past edits that still apply?

They’re mostly season 7 episodes, and a couple season 4 and 5 episodes. So far, no, not edited. As I mentioned, Woodshop has the cut parts intact. Late Night with Butt-Head has the Letterman portion intact. But those would have been DVD edits rather than broadcast edits. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure if any they’ve posted so far were censored on their original MTV run.

I’m particularly curious about Comedians if/when it surfaces

Well they added Sporting Goods today and it is the censored version, so that is a pretty bad sign.

What was censored?

The original opening scene only aired once: bnb had a lighter and praying mantis. They reanimated it to have two dueling mantises.

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#1498121
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.

KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.

Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.

These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).

Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.

so the episodes that are available already, are there any past edits that still apply?

They’re mostly season 7 episodes, and a couple season 4 and 5 episodes. So far, no, not edited. As I mentioned, Woodshop has the cut parts intact. Late Night with Butt-Head has the Letterman portion intact. But those would have been DVD edits rather than broadcast edits. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure if any they’ve posted so far were censored on their original MTV run.

I’m particularly curious about Comedians if/when it surfaces

Well they added Sporting Goods today and it is the censored version, so that is a pretty bad sign.

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#1497388
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.

KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.

Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.

These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).

Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.

so the episodes that are available already, are there any past edits that still apply?

They’re mostly season 7 episodes, and a couple season 4 and 5 episodes. So far, no, not edited. As I mentioned, Woodshop has the cut parts intact. Late Night with Butt-Head has the Letterman portion intact. But those would have been DVD edits rather than broadcast edits. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure if any they’ve posted so far were censored on their original MTV run.

I’m particularly curious about Comedians if/when it surfaces

Definitely. Comedians is the most famous example, so maybe they’ll pay attention for that one. They are doing some S3 episodes next week, so fingers crossed. So far, they are using broadcast masters (they have the pooled credits from multiple episodes, and you can hear the start of the commercial bumper).

But it’s not clear yet if they’re just pulling whatever they find first, or if they’re paying enough attention to make sure they will be the most unedited versions. Based on what we can see about the episode pairings (the credits, for instance) it isn’t always the first airing they’re using.

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#1497385
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.

KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.

Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.

These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).

Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.

so the episodes that are available already, are there any past edits that still apply?

They’re mostly season 7 episodes, and a couple season 4 and 5 episodes. So far, no, not edited. As I mentioned, Woodshop has the cut parts intact. Late Night with Butt-Head has the Letterman portion intact. But those would have been DVD edits rather than broadcast edits. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure if any they’ve posted so far were censored on their original MTV run.

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#1497341
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
Time

TheHutt70 said:

towne32 said:

TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

Well, the BluRays are definitely the nicest but only about 15 episodes. Do you know if there are plans for any more BluRay releases?
Does Paramount have a release schedule or is it just a wait and see sort of thing?
Do you happen to have a source for the KingTurd V3 set? I’ve had mine for years so I’m sure it’s version 2.

KT is version 2. The above discussion was about making a v3 someday using these new sources.

Season 8 is on Blu-ray because it was made in 2011, digitally, in HD.

These paramount+ episodes aren’t remastered in the sense that they’re scanning any film in HD. They aren’t even using the master analog tapes, but rather specific broadcast masters. So they’re nowhere near Blu-ray quality, but the benefit is that they include the music videos and scenes that would become censored (depending on which tapes they use!).

Oh, and paramount is a wait and see thing. They release Thursday, early morning, every 2 or 3 weeks. 4 to 9 episodes at a time, so far.

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#1497324
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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TheHutt70 said:

Just seeing this thread.
Any updates?
I’ve been wanting to get a comprehensive B&B collection.
I originally just had the King Turd collection… although not V3 that was mentioned above I don’t think… I’m actually not totally sure which I have and it’s not mentioned in the included Word file.
But I also have the DVD rips, Mike Judge Collection (I downloaded these from Amazon with a Paramount+ subscription, Blu Ray rips, etc.

Ok, so edit as I’m typing this.
I just looked it up and there are many more episodes for me to get through Amazon. They have episodes from seasons 4 though 11 using Paramount… I’m acquiring all of these as I type.
First one I got was S04E02 Cow Tipping that is mentioned above.
Definitely much sharper quality than the existing one I had… the Metallica on Beavis’ shirt is much more clear… better colors etc.
Also the file is longer at 11:35 compared to the King Turd copy at 10:49
Although my Amazon (Paramount rip) is only 173 meg compared to the King Turd at 282 meg it is much better.

So has anyone put together a definitive list of all the episodes (I generally follow The TVDB listings)… along with the best current available source?

While I have the full rips of all the DVD’s and BluRays I still have to go through and properly name them and see what to replace with my current King Turd collection.
This is a hard set to put together as some rips/sources have single episodes, double episodes, with/without music videos.

I have put together an excel sheet of all the various best sources. But a lot of the TV captures and tapes used to make King Turd are not publicly available. It’s thousands of files.

But more importantly, the list becomes more obsolete every couple of weeks. We are still in the early stage of paramount uploading the full episodes. We will need to reassess everything when they finally finish, but we have only had a couple dozen episodes released over 5 weeks so far. What they have listed as seasons 9 to 11 are just the Mike Judge Collection DVDs of chopped up episodes.

If you are looking through the DVDs to find episodes that are better than King Turd, I wouldn’t bother. No new DVDs have come out since KT v2. They used the Mike Judge Collection, etc. A few rips have surfaced that can help get rid of logos. But again, we probably need to wait about a year until paramount finishes releasing the whole series.

The Paramount episodes aren’t perfect. Some of the music videos suffer from conversion to progressive scan. Some of the broadcast tapes they’re using have dot crawl analog noise, and so on. But it will give us a lot of material to use for upgrades. It was already looking like we could remove just about every logo, but that should become a whole lot easier in time.

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#1491748
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SpacemanDoug said:

towne32 said:

Fullmetaled said:

towne32 said:

Moiisty said:

towne32 said:

Well Paramount+ went live with their episodes today. The main bad news is that it seems they will be very staggered, with only a few released so far.

The great news is that they are uncensored (see Woodshop), with music videos, intros, and credits more or less intact. A few nitpicks about some of those things, but generally they’ve released some good material. Cow Tipping has never been released on home video, and only low quality versions were available. Quality looks good, with some dust, specs, and small scratches occasionally present from the film.

These seem to come from broadcast masters. In addition to the Woodshop lack of censorship, there is a trace of the commercial bumper left in Cow Tipping.

Does this mean king turd v3 can be improved with P+ episodes?

Absolutely. They’ve already upgraded Cow Tipping, Woodshop, and Buttbutt Hike with the mere 7 episodes they’ve added. Plus Black Hole Sun and possibly some of the other music videos. Now without channel logos.

This is big, and hopefully many more will be added. It could end up being more about how the sources used to make KT (which I do have available) can patch a few spots in P+.

All 200 eps are supposed to be coming out on it soon enough.

Yeah, staggered this summer. The caveat is that I don’t think Paramount has ever said all episodes. >200 has been said, but that already includes some of s8 (there are 222 including S8).

So, there could be some small wiggle room for a few they really don’t want to air. And maybe a few music videos won’t make the cut. But it should be a ton of good content.

It’s also possible some edits would be baked in anyway to whatever masters they’re using because supposedly MTV altered the actual finished masters themselves in some episodes

That’s the rumor at least. I feel like this kind of information, even when from official sources, can be a bit dubious at times.

But I don’t think it will necessarily be a problem. They’re not scanning the 35mm master of the story portion of the episodes, they seem to be going to the broadcast copies, which makes sense if they want the music video portions (likely edited entirely on video) intact.

So all this means is that they need to use a broadcast version that’s not censored, and there may be a few to choose from. For example, in their Cow Tipping version, you can hear the start of the commercial bumper (this one) before a scene change. And a few different commercial bumpers existed for this episode, so there are probably a few broadcast tapes they could have chosen from, if they’ve still got them all. The same may be true for earlier, edited episodes.

Guess we will see.

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#1490074
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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Fullmetaled said:

towne32 said:

Moiisty said:

towne32 said:

Well Paramount+ went live with their episodes today. The main bad news is that it seems they will be very staggered, with only a few released so far.

The great news is that they are uncensored (see Woodshop), with music videos, intros, and credits more or less intact. A few nitpicks about some of those things, but generally they’ve released some good material. Cow Tipping has never been released on home video, and only low quality versions were available. Quality looks good, with some dust, specs, and small scratches occasionally present from the film.

These seem to come from broadcast masters. In addition to the Woodshop lack of censorship, there is a trace of the commercial bumper left in Cow Tipping.

Does this mean king turd v3 can be improved with P+ episodes?

Absolutely. They’ve already upgraded Cow Tipping, Woodshop, and Buttbutt Hike with the mere 7 episodes they’ve added. Plus Black Hole Sun and possibly some of the other music videos. Now without channel logos.

This is big, and hopefully many more will be added. It could end up being more about how the sources used to make KT (which I do have available) can patch a few spots in P+.

All 200 eps are supposed to be coming out on it soon enough.

Yeah, staggered this summer. The caveat is that I don’t think Paramount has ever said all episodes. >200 has been said, but that already includes some of s8 (there are 222 including S8).

So, there could be some small wiggle room for a few they really don’t want to air. And maybe a few music videos won’t make the cut. But it should be a ton of good content.

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#1490050
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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Moiisty said:

towne32 said:

Well Paramount+ went live with their episodes today. The main bad news is that it seems they will be very staggered, with only a few released so far.

The great news is that they are uncensored (see Woodshop), with music videos, intros, and credits more or less intact. A few nitpicks about some of those things, but generally they’ve released some good material. Cow Tipping has never been released on home video, and only low quality versions were available. Quality looks good, with some dust, specs, and small scratches occasionally present from the film.

These seem to come from broadcast masters. In addition to the Woodshop lack of censorship, there is a trace of the commercial bumper left in Cow Tipping.

Does this mean king turd v3 can be improved with P+ episodes?

Absolutely. They’ve already upgraded Cow Tipping, Woodshop, and Buttbutt Hike with the mere 7 episodes they’ve added. Plus Black Hole Sun and possibly some of the other music videos. Now without channel logos.

This should be big for getting some episodes and scenes that were never available in decent quality, and hopefully many more will be added.

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#1490031
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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Well Paramount+ went live with their episodes today. The main bad news is that it seems they will be very staggered, with only a few released so far.

The great news is that they are uncensored (see Woodshop), with music videos, intros, and credits more or less intact. A few nitpicks about some of those things, but generally they’ve released some good material. Cow Tipping has never been released on home video, and only low quality versions were available. Quality looks good, with some dust, specs, and small scratches occasionally present from the film, on the SD/analogue masters.

These seem to come from broadcast masters. In addition to the Woodshop lack of censorship, there is a trace of the commercial bumper left in Cow Tipping.

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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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SpacemanDoug said:

I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form

A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references

It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes

Yeah. We can only speculate on exactly how things exist in the archive, what has usable copies, etc. Comedians has been broadcast uncensored in later years on VH1, so who knows.

As for Mike, you’re right that he is perhaps the biggest critic of the early years, before the characters were well established. He requested they stop airing some, and obviously left a ton off the DVDs. I recall his stance is that a third are great, a third are ok, and a third are awful.

But if Paramount are showing 200+, his cut list will be much shorter than ever. At least for whole episodes.

We know very little about Paramount’s plans, but there should definitely be some upgrades, and there will definitely be a lot of work still to do.

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#1482979
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Beavis and Butt-Head S03E35 - Incognito (Reconstruction/Restoration)
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Hey - been a while since I’ve posted here. Hope you all are well…

This is a logo-less restoration of Incognito, with intro, commercial bumper, and remade music videos and end credits.

Quite a few BNB episodes have not been released on DVD. Incognito is one of five episodes that has not even had a VHS release. And, unfortunately, the available sources we have for this one are quite poor. The digital recordings we have are incomplete or (as is the case for VH1 Europe) covered in large logos.

While Paramount+ will be showing ‘remastered’ episodes this summer, it’s not clear what that means yet. Getting all of the music videos and censored scenes would be great, but it seems unlikely. And a few episodes, including Incognito, are still likely to be left off entirely (fingers crossed, though).

This project is a test for removing network logos using multiple sources, with the intention that this method can used to restore whatever gets left off of Paramount+. I’ve used Dr. Dre’s excellent color matching tool to mask the logos.

Thanks also to the people who have kept amazing archives, going way back to creating the KT collection, and the recordings that have come about since. See the main sources used here:

The European VH1 DVR is the best source available. Unfortunately, it does have frame blending from the PAL conversion, so this is never going to be perfect. A VHS recording from MTV UK has the same blending (likely in the PAL master), and has been used to remove the large VH1 logo. To remove the top BNB watermark, a lower quality MTV US VHS needed to be used. Dre’s color matching tool was used better match to the VH1 version. Music videos were rebuilt from better quality videos, and the BNB logo and text were redone. The end credits were rebuilt using the correct background sequence to improve their quality.

Available on the spleen and whatnot.

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#1334763
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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adywan said:

I noticed that the on the uhd discs for ANH & ROTJ they have hardcoded subs for the alien language parts, while the foreign language versions have these sections without hardcoded subs , via seemless branching. Going to be a pain in the ass for editors wanting to use them as a source. I don’t know if the blu-rays are the same though.

Not too much of a pain if people are informed that 800.mpls gives you hardcoded subs. At least the clean versions are on the discs.

The 4K prequel discs are the same way. Rise of Skywalker is not, and doesn’t seem to use the standard typeface for forced alien subs.

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#1334429
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Info: All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes
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Stotchy said:

Can’t agree with you there. The whole choice of colour grade in the Disney versions across streaming and discs is pretty terrible. “Dark and desaturated” was clearly the brief. Particularly in Empire and Jedi.

The silver lining is that unlike the 11SE, all the color information is there so with some tweaks it can really be improved.

I’ve got the discs on hand now. They could be improved, no doubt (contrast, namely). Though I haven’t looked at Empire closely yet, and I suppose Jedi looks a bit desaturated. I’ve mostly examined and compared ANH, which looks decent color-wise, on the 1080p disc.

Of course, you’re right that the best purpose these will serve is as a source for future work. Nothing resembling the clipped magenta catastrophes.

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#1334008
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Info: All Star Wars films released in 4K HDR on Disney Plus: 2019 SE with more changes
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PressFireToPlay said:

Tried to watch this on Disney Plus the other day and wowsers, why is the image so dark? The only HDR thing that pops out is the white of the performers eyes, but I at least expected it to have a normal brightness. Just looks dirty and dark, appreciate this might tie in with it looking like it’s set during WW2. Used universe etc.
But it’s definitely not the way the films were originally made. Very disappointed.

As someone else pointed out to me, Disney currently streams the SDR grading if you play back the movies on a non HDR device (last year, they just streamed the HDR whether it worked for you or not).

The color and contrast really is quite nice for the specific SDR version (and the 1080p disc, it seems).

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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Rodney-2187 said:

These new 4K HDR discs are the best I’ve seen these movies look and sound by several orders of magnitude.
I eagerly await the next Harmy Despecialized!

The D+77 and D+80 releases are quite great if you don’t mind less than 100% despecialization (some recomped shots, etc).

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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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sade1212 said:

towne32 said:
I’d love to apply the HD color to the UHD image, but I’m not sure how feasible this is.

There are versions available from the group SWTYBLZ which are 2160p 10bit SDR, created by applying a tonemapping algorithm (“using tripple mixed Hable-Reinhard-JJ per scene+frame analysis algorithm”) to the HDR UHD Blurays. They’re not quite 100% identical to the official 1080p SDR colours, but they’re certainly very close, and are very useful if your UHD Blurays don’t look right on your TV for whatever reason.

Looking at the screenshot previews, it seems like these are faithful presentations of the HDR grading converted to SDR. I think this is probably good for anyone who is completely unable to display HDR encodings.

But they capture the seemingly darker grading of the new HDR releases. The official SDR, based on the new Disney+ streams and the blu-ray.com screencaps, are bright, vibrant, and saturated in comparison. I’ve yet to get my discs, so I can’t confirm with the direct comparison on those.

Edit: the mkv previews do look good.

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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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oojason said:

sade1212 said:

oojason said:

‘Is Disney+ Good Enough? Star Wars Trilogy 4K Blu-ray Review’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLco4P72TA

All the footage he uses in that video is the 2011 Blurays, based on the colours, no? Seems somewhat misleading.

Are you sure mate?

It may be worth asking him if that is the case - just to confirm, either way?

(He is quite active and helpful in the comment section of that video - so you should get an answer)

I can’t say for sure about all the shots, but some of them sure do seem to be.

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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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sade1212 said:

towne32 said:
I’d love to apply the HD color to the UHD image, but I’m not sure how feasible this is.

There are versions available from the group SWTYBLZ which are 2160p 10bit SDR, created by applying a tonemapping algorithm (“using tripple mixed Hable-Reinhard-JJ per scene+frame analysis algorithm”) to the HDR UHD Blurays. They’re not quite 100% identical to the official 1080p SDR colours, but they’re certainly very close, and are very useful if your UHD Blurays don’t look right on your TV for whatever reason.

That’s interesting, thanks. Looks like they’ve done 8 bit and 10 bit versions of all the films.

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pat man said:

towne32 said:

Darth Robin said:

The 2020 blu-rays should look like the Disney+ SDR right? Here’s a few comparrissons I found featuring those. Though only in 720p.

https://slow.pics/c/Yxh8oi3h

https://slow.pics/c/Z1WkOdb9

https://slow.pics/c/UzUGdmBf

The blu-ray.com reviews is the only place I’ve seen screenshots from the blu-rays though. I think it defenetly looks like an improvment over 2011.

What Disney+ SDR? They stream the HDR, don’t they? Does it play a properly encoded SDR version on incompatible platforms? It certainly didn’t at launch. IIRC it just looked washed out for people.

It seems to play the HDR fine on my TV app now, though.

But yes, the new 1080p discs seem to have nice color, based on the blu-ray.com reviews that have gone up so far.

They’ve put the SDR on there not that long ago. I don’t have anything HDR. The D+ Stream had better colors when I re-watched some bits a few days ago. Before the colours used to be washed out.

P.S: I did not change any settings on my displays. Color, Brightness, ect.

Well I’ve taken a quick look at the Disney+ ANH and AotC on a 4K device in SDR and wow, the color really does look great. At launch, the device simply failed to display the HDR copies properly.

My disc copies should arrive tomorrow. I was thinking of doing a first SE eatchthrough in many years, but I’m not sure I’d want to watch the HDR version. I’d love to apply the HD color to the UHD image, but I’m not sure how feasible this is.