thecolorsblend

People complain about the second Death Star and how repetitive it is without really thinking about what it means. Think of the psychology that goes into building a massive space station which gets destroyed so you build another fairly similar one. The entire purpose is to destroy entire planets. So that's major hubris and major bloodlust. How does that not match up with everything the Emperor did and said in ROTJ?

I used to really enjoy the prequels and put them on a par with the original trilogy... but then TPM was re-released and I had to reconsider that.

01- Empire
02- A New Hope (a very close #2)
03- Jedi

04 to 06- The prequels (DISTANT #4 to #6; it's pointless to rank them beyond this)

-- Top Five Star Wars Predictions
Qualifiers- over the next five or so years;
Sequence- unranked;

Original/unaltered movies- All six movies will be released in their unaltered forms sooner rather than later. Lucas already did the big Blu-Ray release. Disney doesn't have much to exploit with yet another re-release. Plus, they know the demand is out there.

Original/unaltered fans- Abrams and Disney will go far out of their way to appeal to fans of the oh-riginal trilogy. They want them back in the camp. Because of that, I'd be surprised if there's much reference to the prequels in the new movies apart from big picture stuff.

Casting- Hamill, Fisher, Ford, (Billy Dee) Williams, Mayhew and Daniels are all coming back. John Williams? Your guess is as good as anybody's. As to Episode 7, people will probably enjoy it but it likely won't become the new Empire. It won't become the new Phantom Menace either though.

Expanded universe reboot- This is shakier. Could be wrong here but all the games, novels, comics and other things are too unwieldy. Plus, Disney will want to rebuild Star Wars from the ground up. Why wouldn't they? My bet is Disney will rebuild the EU from scratch using the original versions of all six movies as their base canon. It's kind of inevitable if Episode 7 includes Chewie (who's dead in current continuity).

Fan Edits- Disney will eventually drop the hammer of God on people producing fan edits and other derivative works. It's how they've always rolled in the past. If you dig alternative cuts of Star Wars, my advice is to get 'em while you can.

- Runners-Up
Qualifiers- Even less likely than the above;

Scorched earth reboot- Delete the prequels too. Disney may think (with some justification) that they could do a better job of telling Vader's history. Modern audiences are very well acquainted with the idea of reboots. This could be a sellable concept. If it comes to this... yeah, I would actually expect the Disney prequels to be better than George's.

Holiday Special- Lucas only reluctantly acknowledged that the Holiday Special exists. Anybody care to wager Disney is more willing to laugh about it? After all, it's another Blu-Ray to sell and it's not like it's *THEIR* screw up...

TheBoost said:

It was a typo, which from now on I will always refer to a typographical boo-boos, or TBBs.

^ The Morrison substitution isn't even done very well. Morrison sounds confused and puzzled with each line reading rather than declarative and menacing like Wingreen did. The whole thing might have been a less bitter pill if the performance wasn't the complete opposite of what it should have been.

TheBoost said:

thecolorsblend said:

People have such short attention spans nowadays that the annual dose may be in the franchise's best interests.

Do they really? There was four years between the last two Bond flicks, and it's not as if people forgot who he was. 

It will be 13 years since the last Star Wars movie, and I think people recall the basic plot.

People have such short attention spans nowadays that the annual dose may be in the franchise's best interests.

Baronlando said:

Unfortunately this always feels like these guys need to justify the existence and importance of their gig. Not that they don't care or aren't talented, but man. Last year when they did the press for the bluray, at home theater forum, Matthew Wood went on about how harsh and hissy the 77 movie sounded, it was almost verbatim the way they talked about SUPERMAN years earlier, basically if a modern audience heard the old mix your ears would melt, and TERMINATOR is about to come out with the same issue.

eiyosus said:

Ugh.  I don't even peruse many forums, but I'm already getting sick of everybody saying Marvel will get the SW comic.

The last two pages read like an unfunny drunk text/trolling web page.

In other news...

DuracellEnergizer said:

This picture sucks. No, more than that, it fucking sucks. It defiles the entire EU - past, present, and future - with its very existence. This picture wiped out the dinosaurs. Every murderer who has ever existed has been retroactively inspired by this picture. When this picture was created, the cosmos compensated by introducing entropy into the universe. And, more than anything, it proves that God doesn't exist, that even if He did exist, He would be purely, unambiguously - even from His own point of view - evil.

If I got banned from a forum, I'd take the hint.

NeverarGreat said:

I know that these books basically began the EU, but I am simply bewildered that so many people say that Zahn understands Star Wars better than Lucas. Zahn never tells us anything new about the Force, doesn't really force any of the primary cast to change, and recycles much of their dialogue from the movies without insight. Thrawn and Mara Jade seemed to be the only characters that he cared about, and the books shine in their tactical and military subtleties, but that's about their only strength.

I didn't see what the big deal was at first. It became more of a self defense situation than it had before. So what?

The good news is I was only 17 and who the hell knows anything about anything when they're 17?

dabest13 said:

Reserve PT characters and planets for spinoff movies.... (Clone Wars between II and III, Jedi Purge between III and IV)  This can leave a door open for the actors like Sam Jackson and Ewan to stay associated, and maybe "right some wrongs" with additional spin off movies.... (a clone wars movie with Hayden and Ewan expanding on the relationship and making me care more would be ideal) 

SilverWook said:

TFN has banned him several times already.

SilverWook said:

I used to think perhaps Anakin would live a double life as Vader for a time. (Perhaps undermining the Jedi from within?) The sith(?) armor and voice being his disguise. After the lava planet duel, it becomes his full identity, as Palpatine would need Vader's established reputation to get things done.

I was pro-SE until I saw the GOUT DVD's. After that, it's been OUT; no apologies, no excuses, no regrets.

It wasn't until the Blu-Rays came along with their latest round of changes to bring things more in line with George's "original vision" that I became anti-SE.

Does being pro-OUT and anti-SE make somebody a purist? Dunno. But that's where I am.

adywan said:

thecolorsblend said:

^ Then why the hell did you bring it up?

Because he is an attention seeking troll

I liked that the Jedi had strayed so far from their ideals. It would've been easy to keep them on the straight and narrow and portray them as victims but Lucas set up Yoda, Windu and most of the others as architects of their own destruction.

Love it or hate it, TPM changed how films are made. Usually movies would have "effects sequences". It was a new thing to have effects used in pretty much every shot as part of telling the story.

In advancing digital filmmaking so much, Lucas unintentionally set up an almost airtight counter argument for sticking with traditional film.

"There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere." Ham-fisted but it gets the point across. It supports my argument about morality in Star Wars. I've never understood why people say it's filled clear cut good guys, clear cut bad guys and all that. It's maybe superficially true in ANH but Empire and Jedi blow that out of the water and the prequels continue the gray morality. Ultimately, the long term victories in Star Wars mostly come from compassion, self-sacrifice and love rather than force of arms, political ideology or whatever else.

^ Then why the hell did you bring it up?

People need to get the hell over it. McCallum was a line producer, a production manager. He didn't involve himself much (if at all) in the creative decisions of Star Wars. It was simply his job to keep the productions on schedule and on budget. Of course he was going to talk up Lucas and the movies in interviews. Exactly wtf was he supposed to say? "This movie is the biggest lump of crap on a stick without the stick since Grease 2 or Jaws 4 but you should still totally go see it"?

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, I like the idea of an SE, and I do like some of the changes, but an SE should only be that: a special edition. It should not be the only edition.

Don't change anything; just watch the prequels last (which is how "it was originally intended" anyway) and let the narrative take care of itself. Not showing Anakin becoming Vader defeats the entire point of the prequels in the first place.

The Jedi Purge is (or can be) a big subject. A bounty hunters movie set between ROTS and ANH that follows the extermination of the Jedi could be good. For that matter, any kind of bounty hunter movie might be cool, Fett or not. No reason to think the Empire wouldn't pay bounty hunters to keep an eye out for Jedi, after all.

I may be a lone wolf (esp on this forum) but I think an Episode 0 prequel that shows the first Sith/Jedi war and how the Jedi came to be associated with the Republic could make a cool movie too.

A Qui-Gon and young Obi-Wan movie might be fun too. It could tell the story of how Obi-Wan came to be Qui-Gon's apprentice. Or not, it could also be something else. Same goes for a Yoda/Dooku movie.

Not sure if this is an indicator of how things will go under the new regime but I made and posted a custom Facebook cover out of an Empire Strikes Back poster on my fb. This was a few days ago. I logged in yesterday and noticed it had been removed from my page.

I also made a Facebook cover out of a Star Wars/ANH Hildebrandt Brothers painting and posted that last night. I logged in a while ago and noticed it had been removed from my page.

Neither image had been deleted; they were visible in my cover photo album. They simply were not visible from the main page.

Anybody care to bet that Disney lawyers are responsible for this? Insecure pricks.

Wexter said:

Is this even a serious question? How about the same reason we haven't yet cloned a human being? Because it doesn't seem right. Basically the Clone Wars were about Republic pitting their artificially manufactured disposable human beings against the armies of disposable machines. And everyone was so degenerated that it didn't even strike them as a moral dilemma. Now if "Clone Wars" (which was established as soon as Episode IV) was in fact about this dilemma - and the bad guys would be in favor of such policy - that would make an interesting conflict.