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- #1521951
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- Falling Down - 35mm opportunity (a WIP)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1521951/action/topic#1521951
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A new opportunity to get this scanned.
Overall good condition 35mm print on eBay. 3 days left on the bidding.
A new opportunity to get this scanned.
Overall good condition 35mm print on eBay. 3 days left on the bidding.
It will be interesting to see what the colors end up like for JP on this project here.
I have a JP print in hand (which I am running another 4k project for, see other thread) and I can say that the earlier (nothing to do with the new 4k project this thread is about, talking about the original JP 35mm project done in HD) 1080P project versions 1 and 2 (assuming my copies didn’t get messed with and re-encoded in wrong colorspace or something and are the proper original files for the project) colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so. I will also say that the colors are a bit different than I expected. The yellow and red on the jeep are not quite as ultra-saturated as I expected and the red is a touch different shade than expected, although a good bit moreso than on the 1080P original project files I have, and a lot of the vegetation isn’t a rich green but more of a bit kinda yellowish less greeny green (the old project has that too, just even a good deal moreso less saturated for the red on the truck and pink shirts and the green, while also not deep, rich greeny green, is tinted a different way and a bit different than what I see on the print on hand). I don’t know if the print I have on hand even has full richness or not. It seems decent, but I’m not sure it’s quite a week one print. But hard to say, I only did see JP in 35mm back in '93 and only digital ever since so I really don’t remember that sort of detail. After prints get shown a lot, they tend to lose a bit of contrast and saturation and the highlights and brights sometimes get more blown out and run together in a weird way, from what I recall from the 35mm projection days, when you’d often see quite a change from first week or showings to showings a month or two later if they never got a new print. Anyway, the one I have in hand, all the same, still might be richer and less faded than the one scanned for the 1080P project (assuming it’s not just the scanner used or the grading making the difference, which could be). Whatever the reason, the 1080P original project looks a bit dull and faded and with somewhat different tint to colors compared to the tiny bit of the 35mm print I have in hand I just peeked at. It’s really a fair amount different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this print and it’s project end up comparing to mine as well as to the original 1080P project.
I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. The files almost have a look like they were made in P3 or something but treated like they were REC709 primaries sort of deal, but it might just be the particular print, the scanning or grading. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project, there’s a lot great about it!)
How does this scanned clip compare to your print?
Nice one Eggplant! Your scan is more correct then the 35mm scan of the movie available. Hopefully one day we can get it better scanned.
Is that version actually available though? To normal people who cant get membership to those private trackers. If it is then cool but I made this specifically because I couldnt find it after searching for ages.
Btw, all those people asking if this is still available, it might help if you send me a message and actually ask for it. Why should I chase after you to give you a link?
Understand exactly, I’m with you.
Yes, version 2,0 is on Blutopia.
But, you made a good option for those not in the private sites.
FYI. This may be a bit wiseacre but there is a 16:9 version called 2.0 released from the same guys that made the Open Matte version.
Good news. Cast Away print is now 100% scanned and is currently being rendered.
A sample will be sent out to all donors and then awaits a fully rendered 1.85:1 and Open Matte version to be enjoyed in all its glory.
Maybe a bit late now, but for everyones knowledge:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324240305678
It looks clean and with good colors.
Guys is there anyway I could download this Open Matte version? Every link is dead, the torrent is without seeders. I’m a die hard fan since 93, actually a filmmaker myself and seeing JP in Open Matte would mean the world to me. Please!
Blutopia has it.
Count me in, $15.
Good news. We have now obtained the cinema Dts files from a member over at Fanres.
Well done seb, you have funded this well, I hope this goes underway forgive me that I can’t donate as I have to pay for hard drives for my own project, but I am excited for the final release.
Thanks Monsieur Hulot! No worries, that is understandable. Also, glad to see your Temple of Doom project come ashore.
I’ll throw in $15
Thanks Parzival91! Added.
In for $15!
Thanks ZackR! Added.
Mark me down for $10. Also, “WILSON!”
Thanks trillary dump! Added.
I’ll pledge $10
Thanks Gryfun! Noted.
In for 15$.
Is this open matte 4:3? What are going to see? Matted and unmatted?😃
Great, thanks Freedomland. Yes we will release both. 😃
I’d like to pledge $5. It’s not much but I hope it helps.
Thanks FilmD00d! Noted.
An update. The film rolls are now purchased and are now being sent for scanning. I have pledged $ 170 to the project. This means that we are soon more than halfway to fully funded. Now only $ 240 remains. I will wait to contact anyone who has donated until everything is fully funded.
This looks really exciting, I’m considering donating – would the final scan be the open matte as seen in your screenshots/sample scans?
Glad to hear. Yes we will release it in Open matte and also a 16:9 version. If there are many who donate and who are more interested in Open matte then we prioritize it first.
Thanks craigbillet!
Added.
I’d donate 5$, if you take small amounts?
Of course. Thanks Jerclayv2! Noted.
Thanks Soupdrinker0. Added to the list!
I can donate $20
Thanks 3Maters. Noted!
Is 2K a cost issue, as 4K offers all the pixels whereas 2K picks most up.
It’s 800 CZK per reel (Czech currency). It’s roughly 30 EUR per reel, depending on the exchange rate.
Compared to a 4K scan which would be around 100 EUR per reel.
Cast Away is one of many Zemeckis best works and must be preserved.
Bluray itself is a decent transfer but it is a typical home video release and not as it looked on cinema in 2000.
Costs for this Russian print plus shipping is around $300.
Additional cost for the scanning will be around $236.
Total estimated cost: $530
Scanning will be 2K in 12-bit linear uncompressed DNGs and will be supervised and graded by TomArrow.
Since this print has Russian dubbed sound, we will synchronize the DTS-HD MA track and hopefully in the future add the cinema DTS tracks.
If the project is fully collected, it will be started immediately as we ensure that the purchase of reels is shipped directly from the seller to the scan facility.
This preservation project will be shared with donators.
Pledges
$340 - Sebkarlbjork
$50 - TomArrow - DONATION RECEIVED
$25 - Soupdrinker0 - DONATION RECIEVED
$20 - 3Maters - DONATION RECEIVED
$15 - Kynch (fanres) - DONATION RECEIVED
$15 - Freedomland - DONATION RECEIVED
$15 - ZackR - DONATION RECEIVED
$15 - Salle - DONATION RECEIVED
$15 - Parzival91 - DONATION RECEIVED
$10 - Trillary dump - DONATION RECEIVED
$10 - Gryfun - DONATION RECEIVED
$5 - Jerclayv2 - DONATION RECEIVED
$5 - craigbillet - DONATION RECIEVED
$5 - FilmD00d - DONATION RECEIVED
So far
$545/$530 FULLY FUNDED!
Update - June 15
Nearly there. Only $410 left to get this project fully funded.
As you already know, the film reels are from Russia and contain Russian dubbed sound. I just want to convey that it is also a US movie reels that is on sale that includes Cinema DTS CDs. That being said, the Russian film reels are good enough for our purposes. If we are lucky the seller might help us with a digital copy of the discs, for a coin. Fingers crossed.
Update - June 17
An update. The film rolls are now purchased and are now being sent for scanning. I have pledged $ 170 to the project. This means that we are soon more than halfway to fully funded. Now only $ 210 remains. I will wait to contact anyone who has donated until everything is fully funded.
Update - June 21
Good news. We have now obtained the cinema Dts files from a member over at Fanres.
Update - September 29
Good news. Cast Away print is now 100% scanned and is currently being rendered. Sample inbound.