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#1265012
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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rodneyfaile said:

Valheru_84 said:
I wouldn’t classify Rey, Holdo, Rose or Phasma as strong characters per se.

Rey-
She is an exceptionally strong person. Her life on Jakku has been hard, but she is still kind to others. She believes in doing what’s right. I attribute her success using the Force to her character. She has demonstrated a strong will and determination. Where we’ve seen others profess that it cannot be done or complain that life isn’t fair, she always believes in herself and her ability to overcome the challenges. Just because she perseveres through adversity, doesn’t mean she hasn’t experienced it. From her abandonment on Jakku and hard life of a scavenger, being pursued and captured by Kylo, seeing Han killed and Finn badly injured, the unwillingness of Luke to train her, further rejection from Kylo. She just keeps going. She is like the star QB. It doesn’t matter if the previous play went poorly. There’s no time to dwell on that. Just line up and execute this play. Just play this down, and then the next. She makes the people around her better.

Holdo-
I have no problem with her not wanting to sit down and explain every decision to a recently demoted Poe. You think an Admiral feels obligated to hold everyone’s hand and walk them through everything just to get their approval?

Phasma-
She is a villain, but is a very strong character. She commands the respect of those around her and is an intimidating foe. She makes a lot out of the limited screen time we get to see her.

Rose-
Here is a post I made previously regarding Rose:
Rose Tico holds the entire movie together.

At the end of The Force Awakens, Finn had made some progress, but this arc was far from over. He cared about Rey enough to overcome his fears and accompany Han and Chewie to Starkiller in an effort to rescue her. But he wasn’t honest about his reasons for going. He exaggerated his knowledge of Starkiller because as he told Han, he was just there for Rey. He didn’t care about the Resistance, or their cause.

Finn meets two people in The Last Jedi who have a profound effect on him. Rose is in agony over the loss of her sister, yet is still holding to her ideals and devoted to the Resistance. She has lost everything but will simply not quit. Then in stark contrast he meets DJ who has no convictions at all. Finally the light bulb comes on and Finn takes a side. He faces off with the embodiment of his greatest fear in Phasma and pronounces himself “Rebel” scum. He is fully on board now and is a different person by the time they reach Crait.

Finn is so gung-ho, in a display reminiscent of Poe’s previous unwillingness to follow orders, he tries to take on the First Order all by himself. Rose saves him because she believes the way to win is not by throwing your life away, but by living to fight another day, obviously informed by the loss of her sister.

Poe learns to respect authority before he can be in a position of authority and a true leader. Rey goes from seeking to identify herself through others to being comfortable with who she is and understands her place in the galaxy. There is just so much character development and wonderful storytelling. The Last Jedi is a great movie.

^Very well articulated and I especially like your take on Rose being informed by the loss of her sister . That is something I did not consider until now , but it makes a lot of sense to me .

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#1264494
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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that’s the thing though ,she starts TLJ in a place of doubt , " I need someone to show me my place in all this ." In the end ,she has cast that doubt aside .She literally has no time to doubt or question her abilities in the moment where she lifts the rocks or people will die . I am not sure what you meant by it happens off screen . If you are referring to her thoughts , I suppose that could be the case but I don’t see how that is relevant . other than comparing it to Luke expressing doubt about lifting the x-wing . And having her use two hands would be to weaken her character in my opinion .

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#1264488
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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I had a thought about Rey lifting the Rocks at the back of the rebel base on Crait …there are real world examples of people having enough adrenaline flow through them and enabling them to do superhuman feats like lifting cars in an emergency to save a trapped child etc. I believe it was something like this with Rey , everyone she held dear was trapped in that base and in immediate peril so adrenaline rush +the force =superhuman feat x 10. She did not have time to hesitate or think about whether she could do it or not , unlike Luke when lifting the X-Wing on Dagobah in a safe and controlled environment .She believed she could do it , and did not stop to question it . okay , inevitable rebuttal in 3…2…1…

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#1264414
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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how many female members are on this site ? If you are lurking out there , please feel free to join and comment . Though I can’t speak for everyone here ,I would very much welcome your feedback .See, this is now the 21st century, and the boys club is over and the no girls allowed signs have been removed from the treehouse …

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#1264413
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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yotsuya said:

I would say the universe is full of them. We really only get two in the OT, Leia and Mon Mothma, but both are obviously people to be reckoned with. But all the EU and comics I’ve read, from the Brian Daley books on are full of more. I can’t think of a single classic stereotype out there. Plus we end up with Mara Jade and Jaina Solo. While the ST has wiped all of them out, Qi’ra is awesome. Jynn is great but with flaws (she doesn’t shape the story until the mid-way point). Hera and Sabine are great and get some nice depth over the series. And I think everyone has been faithful to Carrie’s portrayal of Leia.

^Yes ! even Carrie herself , who assisted with the script to The Last Jedi .

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#1264276
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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yeah , The original Zahn trilogy was great and Mara was a good character ( though I suspect that Zahn borrowed heavily from Shira Brie in the original marvel series when creating her ) . As for Leia being a damsel in distress , She turned that trope on it’s head and actually ended up taking charge ,“into the garbage shoot flyboy !” and during the swing across the chasm , she blasted her fair share of stormtroopers.plus, she is the best shot out of all of them …she never misses throughout the OT.

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#1264262
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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^ and of the examples above , Leia is still the only one in the OT that had more than approximately one minute or less of screen time . I thought the deleted female pilots were from Return Of The Jedi and not the original film .Oh ,and I would add Nomi Sunrider from the Tales Of The Jedi comics to the list of strong female characters…http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nomi_Sunrider

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#1263861
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Strong Female characters in the Star Wars universe
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Anakin Starkiller said:

There’s no such thing as a strong female character; only a strong character.

good point . I am going to leave the title of the thread as is though as I feel female characters in Star Wars movies were grossly under represented in the OT…Leia being the only main female character , and it’s nice to see this changing and seeing more of a female presence to give more avatars for the female audience to plug themselves into .

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#1263837
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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exitzero said:

Originally, GL himself said the timespan was three years between each movie. Then, when Secrets of the Empire came out, the time between Empire & Jedi was changed to one year.

That always bothered me, as Yoda told Luke he had to stay with him to complete his training. Then Luke went off on his own and was able to do 25 years worth of Jedi training (Obi-Wan was knighted as a Jedi Knight at 25) in one year all by himself. He also tells Luke that only a fully trained Jedi can face off with Vader, then tells him in Jedi he has to confront Vader to be a Jedi Knight. I know it’s all because when Empire came out the plan was to do 6 or 9 movies, and then Lucas had to wrap it all up in one move.

There’s a great video on Youtube where a guy tracks down all the old articles about Star Wars being a 9 or 12 movie run. There are quotes with Lucas and Gary Kurtz talking about Luke’s sister being a completely different person on the other side of the galaxy. She was to get her own trilogy and then Luke and his newfound sister would team up to fight the Emperor. There was also talk of Luke killing Vader and taking his place, and his sister would bring him back to the light side. It’s a very interesting video if you can track it down.

^ yeah , this is why , even if it’s not canon , I prefer to go with the notion that 3 years elapse between films , especially between Empire and ROTJ . It gives more time for Luke to develop his powers on his own ( you can see the progression in the old Marvel comics ) and when he shows up in ROTJ his being an Uber powered Jedi is not such a stretch compared to 6 months to a year between movies . And people harp on Rey for these reasons …

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#1263673
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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^ that was what was established in the Legends canon , not sure if it has been contradicted yet . it is not stated how much time passes in the films themselves . as an Original Marvel Star Wars fan , I always considered the three years between movies in real time to be the time elapsed . but that is my personal preference.

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#1263670
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Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue
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RogueLeader said:

joefavs said:

This. When your relationship with Star Wars consists largely of railing against Star Wars, you’re doing Star Wars wrong.

^^Agreed, joe!

Which is sort of my gripe with stuff like Star Wars Theory and his fan film. I love fan films, and Lucasfilm has been doing Fan Films awards for over a decade. It’s definitely supposed to be a thing of love for the franchise. But what ST Theory has done feels like it is coming from a place of hate for Lucasfilm. A big thing of his, and other YouTubers like Geeks and Gamers, is that they constantly criticize the new movies and Lucasfilm, and basically ST Theory makes this as a way of saying “The new movies suck, THE FANS can do it better.” And naturally a ton of comments are like, “This is SO MUCH BETTER than The Last Jedi.”

And of course people still criticize Lucasfilm and think it is crazy that he can’t make any money of a fan film. Of course he can’t, but now they are the villains when people have been making fan films just for the love of the franchise for decades with no complaints.

And like this video Darth Muffy shared with us. It has like 1 Million views. I guess critical clickbait gets the $$. But monetized criticism has, in my opinion, generated negativity in entertainment in general.

I don’t know. At least growing up I was oblivious to the prequel bashing. I was able to enjoy the movies outside that bubble for the most part. I hope kids nowadays aren’t having that problem, like being told they’re wrong for liking these new movies. But I feel like a sizable audience for these kind of videos are preteens/young adults, so they are growing up in a warzone of arguments. It sucks that a lot of my memories of these past few years with the new movies have been filled with negativity like this. Even going to see TFA and TLJ in theaters with friends, some of them just complained the whole time. They couldn’t even let anyone else enjoy it. I’m definitely just going to go see IX with my father, since we’re both happy with these new movies.

Sorry for the rant. Just get tired of this stuff man. I know this has little to do with the point of your post, Muffy. I think Rey could’ve been written a little better, but I just think the whole Mary Sue argument is a tool haters use to justify their disdain for these new movies.

^this . +1 ! I also think it is pretty gracious of Lucasfilm to have allowed fan films to even be made and to not have come down very hard on fan edits as well . I worry that these people bashing the films constantly with clickbait videos will eventually ruin it for everyone .Sharts Of The Past .er , I mean Shards, has indeed been presented with a we can do it better attitude imho.

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#1263608
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I guess I am in the minority …I have really enjoyed a lot of modern 3d movies over the past ten years . I like how it is more about depth and the feeling of being able to reach into the screen . Reminds me of the old view master reels but in motion . I saw the 75th anniversary edition of the Wizard Of Oz back in 2013 in Imax post converted this way and it was amazing . I really got a sense of the scale of the sets and the Matte paintings and felt more immersed in the world . I prefer this to the old analog 3d where shit just popped out at you and looked like cardboard cut outs , with a few exceptions …I did enjoy StarChaser The Legend Of Orin , but even then , I had to kind of squint sometimes to make it work .

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#1263337
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Thoughts on Star Wars Posters
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thank you , I think so too ,and I would not call the Special Edition Struzan Posters crap , regardless of the mixed up photo references . They are very good compositions and all three together make a nice triptych that encapsulate the spirit of the whole original trilogy . It is also a design concept he carried over to the prequel posters . I like the Phantom Menace poster best out of the prequel posters , the Attack Of The Clones poster is ok in my opinion and I found the Revenge Of The Sith poster underwhelming . All are drawn well but I prefer the Revenge Of The Sith Video Game poster …https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462553/ to me , it seems more epic and dynamic .I do prefer the original OT posters over the special edition though , the ones represented on the original vhs releases .

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#1263327
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Spuffure said:

I’m not trying to be sexist, but to be fair I honestly never liked gender-swaps. I get it, it’s supposed to make women more equal to men, which is a great thing, but they’re surpassing equal by stealing from men. Honestly, it’s better to make original female characters, y’know? What if they made Wonder Woman Wonder Man or made Ripley from Alien a man? It wouldn’t really work.

They’ve feminized Doctor Who and Ghostbusters already, and now I’ve heard that Dorian Gray’s getting a feminist remake, and on top of that, I heard of this new movie that recently came out called Ladies in Black

actually ,there is a Wonder Man , he has been around since the 60’s…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Man

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#1263326
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Star Wars <strong>News</strong> - articles that may not have enough interest for their own threads...
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ray_afraid said:

screams in the void said:

oojason said:

a Star Wars Fan Film competition… (with various categories and sections)

https://www.starwars.com/star-wars-fan-awards

'Welcome to the Star Wars Fan Awards 2018, the ultimate celebration of Star Wars fan creativity! We want to honor the many ways that fans express their love of a galaxy far, far away – including everything from fan-made films to cosplay and beyond.

So if you’re most impressive, we want to see what you can do. Create and submit your own Star Wars work for a chance to win a Star Wars Prize Pack consisting of Star Wars-themed merchandise and a commemorative trophy!

Check out the full range of categories below. Submissions open July 18 and close September 17. Audience Choice award voting opens November 2 and closes November 13.

An expansion of the Star Wars Fan Film Awards, a longstanding Lucasfilm tradition, the Star Wars Fan Awards will highlight the unique talents and gifts of the Star Wars fan galaxy. We would be honored if you would join us.’

 

An OT•com Index for ‘Star Wars Fan Films / Shorts’ projects & threads on here (and then scroll down).

 

wow , just noticed that on the section of the site that says ,create a work of art , there is a cropped version of the Tom Jung theatrical poster of 77 Star Wars where they altered the Image of Vader .strange .

Is it still up anywhere? I’m curious.

have not been able to find it …am wishing I had made a screen capture of it now .