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#1447115
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Ok , I’ll bite …I loved TFA and still do , for me ,a lot of it boils down to Rey’s introduction as a scavenger on Jakku struggling to survive , while feeling isolated , alone and abandoned and asking why …wanting connection . It’s the same thing that made me identify with Starlord in Guardians Of The Galaxy…many friends and family members of mine have passed on and I feel those same pangs . Whatever perceived flaws some have of her are far outweighed for me personally by the things I just mentioned .This thread will be cathartic for some though I’m sure .The only thing I would change on TFA would be some of the Earth based modern humor and colloquialisms

I loved TLJ even more ,though I didn’t really care for parts of the Canto Bight sequence ,like the arrest of Fin and Rose for illegal parking , I thought that was too goofy as was the hillbilly sounding alien that called for their arrest I also thought their escape on the Fathiers felt more like something out of Fantastic Beasts from the Harry Potter universe and didn’t really feel like Star Wars . ( Nothing against Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts , I enjoyed them , but they’re a , uh , different animal altogether . ) I think the whole sequence could use a trim .The only real good thing that came out of the sequence IMO was setting up Broom boy and reinforcing the idea that anyone can be a Force user and it doesn’t have to be about blood lines . The Rise Of Skywalker flipped on this ,I will let others debate on the logistics of that . Even though I enjoyed some aspects of TROS , It’s a fun popcorn movie that I just kinda shut my brain off when I watch , but that’s about it .

For my own Head cannon , It kind of ends with The Last Jedi for me . It has an open ending and one can assume from what transpired , that the galaxy will be inspired by Luke’s actions and be emboldened to rise up …Kinda what I thought TROS would do when I first heard the title .I could even see a fan editor putting in an after credits scene as a coda , using all of the Ships led by Lando flying in from Tros , with the triumphant John Williams SW theme . The end .

Personally , I think Treverrow’s Duel Of The Fates script would have been the way to go for Episode 9 and I enjoyed reading it as well as seeing all the concept art for it and the fan comic and audio drama that were made from it . It also addresses a lot of issues I have heard some fans talk about , such as Fin actually starting and following through with a Stormtrooper uprising . The biggest plus for me is Rose having a substantial role in it and actively being a participant . The biggest issue with TROS for me was how she got sidelined to the other characters ,especially after all Kelly Marie Tran (Trần Loan ) went through . And yeah , I know she addressed this , but I still thought she deserved better . John Boyega too .

That’s all I can think of right now , suffice to say , I like what I like and feel no reason to argue over it . Experience has taught me that I’m not going to sway anyone who doesn’t want to be swayed . Art is subjective …in the words of the Dude , " It’s just like , my opinion man " , or conversely , " That’s just like , your opinion man "

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#1446040
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Anakin Skywalker's turn to the darkside; your alternatives?
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I can envision some of Anakin’s dialogue in this scenario …" How can we call ourselves the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy , when we turn a blind eye to some of those injustices ?"

Of course , when I initially made this thread , I was thinking in terms as if it were before the prequels came out , but If one has to fit them in , I think this is a good way to approach it .

I was looking through the young adult " Legends " novel called The Rise And Fall of Darth Vader by Ryder Windham a while ago and on page 67 , there is this passage …Anakin -( his thoughts ) " Why won’t they help me free my mother ? It’s not fair ! It’s not right !

Countless times Obi-Wan explained that every Jedi had to obey the directives of the Jedi council , and could never use the Force for selfish purposes. He argued Anakin to consider how freeing one slave on Tatooine might lead to the deaths of others , as some slavers might prefer to destroy their " property " than release them from bondage . The Jedi also had to answer to the Galactic Senate , and for the time being , the Senate had little interest in anything that happened on Tatooine ’

Why do the Jedi have to answer to anybody ? Anakin wondered

I think that would have made a perfect jumping off point for Anakin to argue the matter further .Obi-Wan’s rebuttal in that passage doesn’t acknowledge Anakin’s childhood statement to Qui-Gon , (of which Obi -Wan was not there for )" I had a dream I was a Jedi , I came back here and freed ALL the slaves "

One question I have in all this is , beyond Obi-Wan’s statement , what would be the Jedi Council’s initial dismissal/answer to Anakin’s concern ? Perhaps the Clone Wars erupt during this scenario and take priority over it ?

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#1445813
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Anakin Skywalker's turn to the darkside; your alternatives?
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Mocata said:

From what’s actually shown in the movies I always assumed Anakin enjoyed being aggressive to win battles. He would have naturally grown impatient with the Jedi teachers and taken the easier path. It’s a far more human response to their doctrine. Instead of all that “I need the secret to preventing death” nonsense. The only part that makes any real sense is his anger against the Tusken Raiders. But it falls down because we don’t ever see how that anger gives him more strength, and there are no repercussions. Where is the fallout or his anger towards Obi-wan and the council for letting this happen, or letting the slave trade continue? What does he learn from the experience, did he enjoy killing or see how rage is a powerful ally? It’s basically forgotten instead of being a genuine part of his character development.

^ good points ! Letting the slave trade continue on the part of the Jedi and Anakin’s anger over it could have been great character development ,especially if he expressed his feelings to them towards it beforehand and they dismissed him out of hand and he felt gas lighted as result . What happened subsequently with his Mother and the Tuskens would have made his fall to the dark side, the perfect impetuous for it . He would have been more easily taken in by Dooku’s views , more sympathetic to Qui Gon’s defiance of the council , and Palpatine would have had the perfect route to manipulate Anakin’s conflicted emotions for his own gain and cement the process . I think this is the best reply to my post so far and would make for a great prequel re write .

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#1444652
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The Random YouTube, Vimeo etc. video finds thread for Beyond the OT
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It would not surprise me if Luke at the end of season 2 of The Mandalorian was actually a clone , sent by Thrawn to kidnap Grogu . It would be a perfect Thrawn thing to do . Would also go a long way for me in explaining why something looked " off’ about Luke’s appearance . Maybe the wonky CGI was intentional and the hiring of that fan vfx artist is a smoke screen ?

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#1441935
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

My apologies! I only just now caught that you said original Tron. There’s also a Blade Runner spinner in The Phantom Menace after the original Blade Runner used the Falcon as a building design. It’s pretty cool discovering inspirations, easter eggs, and references.

^ No worries . And it is cool finding that kind of stuff , like E.T. in The Phantom Menace , The droids and club Obi Wan in Raiders Of The Lost Ark and Temple Of Doom , The Ark on the walls of Jabba’s barge etc .

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#1441825
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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^ I caught that in reference to Tron Legacy and always wondered about it , but it was the original Tron movie from 1982 where I noticed these things that I mentioned in my last post and how Attack Of The Clones was probably taking inspiration from Tron 82 .Both the original Tron movie and Attack Of The Clones came long before Rinzler’s making of Star Wars books .

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#1438226
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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I was watching the original Tron movie yesterday and noticed that the solar sail in that movie bears a lot of similarities to Dooku’s Solar Sail in Attack Of The Clones …In Tron , the solar sail also passes by some towers that have a very similar design to structures seen in AOTC on Kamino . The similarities make me think this was intentional inspiration that influenced episode 2 .

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#1436092
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What are the best non surround stereo movies ? ( on home video )
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I just watched Saving Private Ryan on the setup that I mentioned above . The VHS copy I have says it is stereo surround , and while I don’t have a surround sound decoder , and the speaker sources I am using are on a desk in front of me ,as well as a countertop slightly above me , the sound was phenomenal and panned a lot from speaker to speaker with various effects and the tank scenes near the end had a lot of rumbling bass , almost sounding like it was behind me or in the room at times ! So far , this is the best sounding movie I have heard on my current setup .

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#1435461
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Last movie seen
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tonight I watched Raiders Of The Lost Ark on VHS , in honor of the 40th anniversary this weekend , and then I watched Batman Returns on VHS . My sound system at home is very unconventional …I currently have a 4head HI-FI stereo VCR hooked up to 2 CRT TVs , a 19 inch ,which is hooked up through coaxial and a 13 inch tv/vcr combo hooked up through rca jacks . I have computer speakers hooked up to the smaller tv through the headphone jack and from that , I am running a male to male aux cable to a Sony boombox with a bass reflex sound system . The 19 inch tv has a 2.0 sound bar hooked up to it and is sitting on a desk below the smaller tv .

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#1435460
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What are the best non surround stereo movies ? ( on home video )
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CourtlyHades296 said:

The 1994 VHS and Laserdisc of Jurassic Park is the theatrical Dolby Stereo mix. The scene where you see the T.Rex for the first time moves the theater even in the Laserdisc’s PCM stereo.

^ Thanks for the tip , I will have to add that to my collection. I just watched Batman Returns (1992) on VHS and the sound was awesome on it . According to wikipedia ,It was the first film to be announced as released with Dolby SR-D technology (later known as Dolby Digital.

For clarification , My sound system at home is very unconventional …I currently have a 4head HI-FI stereo VCR hooked up to 2 CRT TVs , a 19 inch ,which is hooked up through coaxial and a 13 inch tv/vcr combo hooked up through rca jacks . I have computer speakers hooked up to the smaller tv through the headphone jack and from that , I am running a male to male aux cable to a Sony boombox with a bass reflex sound system . The 19 inch tv has a 2.0 sound bar hooked up to it and is sitting on a desk below the smaller tv .

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#1435068
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What are the best non surround stereo movies ? ( on home video )
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This thread is intended for people to cite examples of movies that have great stereo only sound, which do not require an av receiver or other equipment to be enjoyed at home, and to articulate their opinions on why , and can include older media formats as well . I am an avid collector of VHS , so have a particular interest in this topic .

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#1435066
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

screams in the void said:

^ This current discussion reminds me of the whole " Ring Theory " that was going on a few years back , I gotta go with HelloGreedo on his take on it here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM

To which I rebuke with this video essay by Rick Worley. He shares quotes from George that back things up that show the Ring Theory is true. It’s definitely intentional as you can even see it in The Clone Wars.

https://youtu.be/vqnjzVX8EKA

Here’s also a shorter video that addresses the idea.

https://youtu.be/Btp1BoGbuiM

Even Disney Star Wars does it. Albeit without understanding context a lot of the time and deliberate copy and paste.

https://youtu.be/Lrr1-T4Z_Wo

^ In regards to the first video you linked to , cherry picking and subjective editing and commentary do not prove something to be true and the maker of that video is analogous to those he points to who are doing the same thing .

In regards to the second video , a great deal of those story points in Empire are a greatly attributable to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan ,who also was a screenwriter on The Force Awakens …I think he understood context just fine . The video also points to Terminator 2 as an example of ring theory ,which HelloGreedo mentions that a ton of other films do and that it’s not hard to spot these things if you are looking for them .

In regards to the third video…of course their are parallels ,as HelloGreedo mentions that a ton of other films do and that it’s not hard to spot these things if you are looking for them, even The Legends EU did these things like closed loops and circular narratives ,as does Star Wars under Disney , which Those Rebels clips in the video are a part of .

All this said , there are things that I like about All of the Star Wars films and things I don’t ,which is a whole other topic on its own .

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#1427173
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The new Star Wars comics - general discussion thread
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ZkinandBonez said:

jedi_bendu said:

screams in the void said:

while I am not a big fan of the current Marvel Star Wars comics , I do find this interesting

Out of curiosity, what do you generally not like about them? Most of the reaction I’ve seen to Marvel’s sw comics has been positive; the recent Vader and Kanan comic series in particular are really popular.

If you don’t mind me butting in;
This all depends greatly on who you ask. Some people really hate the new SW Marvel comics with a passion, while most people I follow online seem quite indifferent to them. I personally stopped paying attention a while ago, finding it to just be too much and not being too impressed overall. Don’t get me wrong, some of it’s been great. I actually think Charles Soule’s Vader series is up there with the best SW comics of all time, but the rest has been quite average I feel. There might be a generational thing as well, and/or a feeling that the tone of the new comics aren’t all that consistent. I tried reading the Aphra series, and while it was fine enough, I just never got the hype. It just seemed kind of dull to me. As for the main series following Luke and the other OT characters, it just doesn’t fell like the OT at all, and the characterization feels off to. It lacks that old serial charm, and instead feels like it takes itself way too serious. Maybe that’s why the Vader series has worked so well (though I personally thought he art in the first run by Larroca was pretty bad).

I also think that the new comics, regardless of what you think of the art, writing, etc. feel so much more pointless nowadays. Before there were multiple cartoons and live-action series the EU existed in novels and comics, yet both of these mediums feel more like filler than anything of consequence, so that might be a factor for a lot of fans as well.

^ yeah , I agree with most of this ,and I will add that most modern comics don’t really do much for me when they are 5 to 6 bucks for a single issue that can be read in five minutes as opposed to the original Marvel Star Wars which had narrative captions that enhanced the stories for me . Same goes for most of the 80s comics I read . Back then , four issues were the equivalent of a full movie for me , as each was about a half hour read . Plus , they had the benefit of doing things that movies can’t really do ( kind of hard for me to explain , for the best idea of what I am talking about , read the book Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud ) .

What turned me off the most about Marvel’s current Star Wars comic was Luke having a lightsaber duel with Vader immediately after the original movie and then later seeing that Leia gets frozen in carbonite right after Empire Strikes Back . Both of those strain credibility to me and I feel Luke and co. would not have gone back to Cloud City that soon .

I did enjoy some of the exploits of Dr. Aphra and her murderous droid companions though , The Han Solo comics were pretty good as well as the first Lando series . The Vader series overall though , I can take or leave as I still think he is over used and has more impact when he shows up sporadically .

Out of the new stuff , I think I enjoyed Shattered Empire the most and the art in that was great . The worst of the new stuff I have seen would have to be the adaptation of The Last Jedi . While I loved the movie , the comic looked like it was drawn by a 5 year old . The covers were decent though .

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#1427112
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Anakin Skywalker's turn to the darkside; your alternatives?
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This is a purely subjective thread for those who wish to speculate on alternate reasons for Anakin’s fall to the dark side ,in contrast to how it played out in the established prequel trilogy . I am especially interested to hear from people who saw the original unaltered trilogy at the time of their releases in the late 70s and early 80s .

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#1427108
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The new Star Wars comics - general discussion thread
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while I am not a big fan of the current Marvel Star Wars comics , I do find this interesting . If true , it would go a long way for me in explaining why something looked " off " about Luke at the end of season 2 of The Mandalorian …https://www.denofgeek.com/comics/star-wars-luke-hand-luuke-skywalker-thrawn-the-mandalorian-season-3/?fbclid=IwAR1Ku2ZRFV7EpnNFrvXu8UwN52nx5HbN9QA6YJRnVUaGw_6egqQYtq5FxA8

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#1424043
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<strong>2006 GOUT</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2006 GOUT DVD discussion thread
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JadedSkywalker said:

There is a pan and scan of the definitive collection master. What do you think they used for the 1995 vhs set. Although the only pan and scan version on Laserdisc happened in Hong Kong. And of course beyond Dark Jedi’s preservation of the VHS release there is no DVD, especially not official retail.

does that pan and scan of the definitive collection have the gaffe with the blue tie fighter lasers in TESB ?