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#1404843
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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yeah , I did like the old tree dude and Dark Empire 2 had some decent art in places ,the whole steam ship world etc . Oddly enough , I did enjoy The New Jedi order series , as they finally got back to taking some risks with the IP and moved beyond the Empire /Rebellion conflict and brought in a new threat ( even though Marvel did it first with the Nagai ) after that was when I bowed out , as thee cast of characters became too overblown to follow for me . I did keep up with what happened with Lumiya though and read about the final battle between her and Luke ,as I was a fan of the character from the Marvel series .The Truce at Bakura was another one I enjoyed .

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#1404833
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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^ I loved the first Dark Empire series ,and for the way they handled the Emperors return ,it worked for me better than TROS .It certainly had a surreal touch to it in the artwork ,from the color palette to the recursive imagery of the star destroyers surrounding the planet Byss . ( which was picked up on in TROS ) .I remember being in a comic shop about a year before the first issue came out and seeing The Light And Darkness War and thinking this creative team would be great doing a Star Wars book …in fact , I mistook it FOR Star Wars at first glance .As a huge fan of the original Marvel Star Wars comic ,which was in publication before all of the over explained EU stuff , I was bummed when they stopped publishing it . When the first Dark Empire issue came out , I was ecstatic and bought it on the spot .I would now be getting my monthly Star Wars comic fix after 5 long years ! That first series felt very cinematic to me and indeed it felt like the possibilities of where they could go were limitless .I liked the Tales Of The Jedi comics for that reason as well .Dark Empire 2 and Empires End were a letdown to me though as they got too formulaic and I could accept the Emperor coming back once , but it was overkill after that and he just came off as another carton villain .Then there was the whole matter of these stories later tying in with the Kevin J. Anderson novels …while they had some cool concepts ,the execution was clunky . I was glad that the novel I,Jedi summarized those events more coherently and kept the cooler aspects in without going overboard .I also liked the audio drama of Dark Empire as well as Tales Of The Jedi and Crimson Empire .

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#1404088
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Approaching Star Wars canon
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^ That is kind of how I look at this issue an I never got bothered by the 90’s EU being branded Legends in favor of the new Canon , as it wasn’t really the first time that older material got pushed aside in favor of the new . The original Marvel comics , The Brian Daley novels and Splinter Of The Minds Eye ,as well as the Blackthorne 3d comics were initially considered non canon when the EU concept started in the 90s and it was not until much ,much later that authors incorporated some of that stuff back in and cherry picking from it , much the same way current canon does .I just incorporated it into my own head canon , kept what I liked ,and discarded the rest .Same as I do now .And to the people who vilify Disney/LFL/Kathleen Kennedy etc , for " legends " ,it’s not like those stories no longer exist and you can’t read them , they are readily available in most bookstores , libraries and online shops .If anything , by republishing all of them under the legends banner ,they ensured their longevity and confirmed the importance of them to their fans .They didn’t have to do this and if they so chose , they could have ordered that all of those stories be pulled from stores .I think they made the right decision , as to incorporate them wholesale , would have boxed them in creatively . By the time Disney came in , the EU had become overblown with minutia and retcons .

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#1403457
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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^ not sure about a direct mention , but Lucas did spend some time with Frank Frazetta , who painted the Conan novel cover collections in the 60’s as well as being in the same film school group as John Millius and running a comic book shop .I would hazard a guess that he was certainly aware of the works of Howard . This also brings to mind that I have read articles about the slave Leia costume being influenced by Deja Thoris from John Carter Of Mars books by Edgar Rice Burroughs , another world builder . And down the rabbit hole we go …

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#1403313
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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also , Robert E. Howard deserves a mention in this discussion , he is regarded as the father of sword and sorcery and did a lot of world building for Conan’s world , as evidenced in his Hyborian age essay https://conanthecimmerian.fandom.com/wiki/The_Hyborian_Age Many fantasy authors imitated him afterwards , but never quite captured his spirit . Then there were the many many fantasy film cash grabs that came in the wake of the 1982 Conan The Barbarian film …

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#1402724
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Thoughts on Star Wars Posters
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oojason said:

An unseen archive of movie poster artwork is being published’:-

https://lwlies.com/articles/the-feref-collection-movie-poster-archive-star-wars (mainly Star Wars posters)
 

^ awesome find ! Interesting look into the process , especially how a lot of the artists kept trying to emulate the design elements of the posters for SW77 . I have seen a color comp of the fourth one down online before though .

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#1402613
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Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
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Great article Bonez ! This is worthy of being a Star Wars Insider article , and it feels like one to me . Very enjoyable read . One thing to point out though , there was a first edition of A Guide To The Star Wars Universe that came out in 1984 , by Raymond L. Velasco , which was really one of the first times that things got detailed explanations ,Star Wars Poster Monthly not withstanding . I saw the guide in Waldenbooks in 1986 and bought it and still have it https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A_Guide_to_the_Star_Wars_Universe , though it did not give as much explanation of every single aspect as later publications. Also , when it comes to Surrealism ,the visual language is most apparent to me in the Dagobah cave scene in ESB and most especially the vision Rey has in TLJ with multiple versions of herself going off into infinity . That is the artistic principle of recursion ,inherent in the works of surrealist artists who defined the term surrealism , Salvador Dali , Max Ernst ,M.C. Escher etc . and it is spot on .

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#1401975
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Rodney-2187 said:

There’s a difference. Lando and the Ewoks did actually did change as events moved along. They were actual adversaries that became allies. Rose and Holdo didn’t change at all, they changed the main characters views. Finn learned from Rose and Poe from Holdo. To me TLJ is about learning from failure. Decisions aren’t always black or white, there’s a whole lot of gray.

^ " The greatest teacher , failure is " -Yoda . That is indeed the central theme of TLJ . I had a teacher , decades ago in art school ,who taught his students this exact principle ,which is one of the reasons this theme resonates so strongly with me . As for Luke being an antagonist , I would say it was Rey being the antagonist in the beginning of TLJ . Luke just wanted to be left alone , Rey antagonized him . In the end , Luke did the right thing ,heeding Yoda’s final lesson .

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#1399345
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Star Wars GOUT DVDs - is it still worth buying them?
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I bought these when they came out in the individual sets that were packaged with the Dark Horse reprints of the Marvel adaptations of each film . I still have the comics and the dvd’s themselves , but no longer have the cardboard boxes they came in . They are worth buying as collectibles and display pieces . I wish I had waited a bit and got the Best Buy tin pictured in this article https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-dvds even without these extras , the dvd’s make great display pieces by themselves .Just take out the inserts that have some relatively rare movie poster art on them , and slip them under the protective plastic on the outside of the case .This way you can cover up the lackluster photoshopped movie poster remakes on the front .

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#1398440
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What do you like about the EU Pre-Disney?
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the original Marvel Star Wars comics

Al Williamson classic newspaper strips and collected color dark horse comics of same .

Tales of The Jedi series ,dark lords of the sith and it’s audio drama ,the sith war and redemption

truce at bakura

original thrawn trilogy

droids animated series and Boba Fett cartoon from the holiday special

Rebel Mission To Ord Mantell audio drama and original Han Solo novels , as well as the A.C. Crispin Han trilogy

both Clone Wars animated series

original radio dramas of the ot , on par with the films and sometimes even better

Hand of Thrawn duology and Outbound Flight novel

x-wing rogue squadron novels and comics ,the phantom affair being the highlight .

Dark Empire 1 ,the other 2 were terrible imo . I could accept the emperor coming back once ,but it got ridiculous after that ,and I thought it was handled far better in DE 1 than TROS.

Crimson Empire comics and audio drama

The New Jedi order novels . After these novels , the main EU story beyond the films became too over bloated for me and I had a hard time following it . When I need to read a dramatis personae on every character before starting to read , it gets a bit too much . I know the new jedi order started the trend , but it got way too over blown for me after that .