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#1184398
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Possessed said:

Assuming Lucasfilm did the right thing is a risky game.

lol, ya that’s sadly so true. Can only cross fingers. I thought I read somewhere that they’d stored everything properly after the scan/edit. At the end of the day, the editors were professional cinematographers, working with a piece of history, and their own legacies despite the misguided leadership and direction at the time.

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#1184094
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Williarob said:
I’m pretty sure the LPP used for the SSE is a duplicate, so it’s 4(?) generations away from the negative.
SSE = Original negative -> Interpositive -> internegative -> Positive print -> duplicate -> HD print scanner.
4K77 = Original negative -> color separation matrices -> Positive print -> 4K print scanner
Bluray = Original negative -> 4K print scanner.
It would be really nice if Disney/Lucasfilm could dig up one of those original IPs and create a new 4K scan

Awesome points and great sequences. Ya so the '77 films were even more generations lossy. Btw, isn’t 4k77 source primarily an Eastman print? My main point to the question tho, is that Harmy’s (90%+) look and tech are really the same as a modern film, and SSE is really a repo of how we viewed films in 1977. Two very different looks. So which you prefer is really what you like or what you’re watching for. If watching for an authentic 1977 film experience reproduction, then you’ll probably favor SSE, but if you want a modern 2017 film look, then you’ll probably favor Harmy’s.

I assume Disney will dig up the 4K neg scans and reconstruct the original with the “specialized” bin cuts once they complete the Fox acquisition. Actually they probably already have done it, or are doing it. But it wouldn’t be in their interest to disclose or discuss until the acquisition is complete. But ya, they probably will/should do a new 8K scan from the orig negs. Hopefully after Lucasfilm butchered the negs for SE and bluray, they at least stored everything in an archival state. I assume they would/did.

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#1184041
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Cthulhunicron said:

Anyone else think Harmy’s DeSpecialized version looks better than this? The silver screen version is still cool to have, but I prefer watching the Despecialized edition.

Ya, I think it depends what “look” you like, whether a modern “off the negative” look or a more traditional theater print look. Some people prefer the modern “1st gen” “lossless” hi-res and high DR look of the blu-ray which Harmy’s is based on, whereas the SSE is far more true to the way the movie actually looked in the theater in 1977 - and some people want and prefer that nostalgic look. 90% of Harmy’s is the blu-ray version which was scanned from original negatives (specialized), not from prints, then digitally cleaned up by Lucasfilm and re-color graded which is pretty much how all modern film-shot movies are now viewed both in theater and at home - so it’s as close to “lossless” and a master print as you can get. In 1977 no one saw the movie in this fashion, they saw the “lossy” 35mm (and a few 70mm) prints - the positive print process while still produces a great viewing product does lose some resolution and DR and adds noise. The SSE is scanned from 35mm LPP prints with some 35mm Eastman stock as well, cleaned up, and color graded. So as SSE is one generation removed from the original negatives, it’s not going to be “as” sharp and perfect and have the same DR as the despecialized Bluray source. So Harmy’s looks subjectively “better than the original theatrical release”, I would say Harmys has a more “modern” and more 2017-like released film-shot movie look and SSE looks basically exactly like the 1977 theatrical release. It will be interesting to see how Harmy’s compares to the 4k77 release when it comes out.

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Info: 16mm SP Star Wars non-Scope & 16mm LPPP Jedi Scope Theatrical Prints on Ebay
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Just thought these were interesting for here. Haven’t seen any full reels for sale on Ebay before.

1977 Star Wars 16mm Kodak SP Theatrical Print $4k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Feature-STAR-WARS-EPISODE-IV-A-NEW-HOPE-1977-George-Lucas-original-/281886839902?hash=item41a1c3d45e:g:IgEAAOSwbdpWXVbN

This original 16mm theatrical film print is mounted on 2 x 2000’ reels and printed on Eastman SP color film stock. Sound is excellent. This is an Excellent Condition print (a few occasional lines). No Vinegar Syndrome. Print has original lab heads, countdowns and leader on both reels. All titles, front and end credits included as well 20th Century Fox logo. Both reels were viewed by seller and guaranteed to be in condition as described. Print runs beautifully. This is NOT a scope nor adapted scope print.

1983 Jedi 16mm Kodak LPP Scope Theatrical Print - $7k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Feature-STAR-WARS-EPISODE-VI-RETURN-OF-THE-JEDI-1983-Gorgeous-LPP-SCOPE-/281892263373?hash=item41a21695cd:g:jdMAAOSwZ1lWee~M

This original 16mm theatrical SCOPE film print is mounted on 2 x 2000’ reels and printed on Eastman LPP low fade Estar (Polyester) color film stock. Sound is excellent. This is overall an Excellent Condition print and would be rated Near Mint or better except for the few lines mentioned below. Highly rare to find in LPP and SCOPE!

No Vinegar Syndrome. Print has original lab heads, countdowns and leader on both reels. All titles, front and end credits included as well 20th Century Fox logo and the PG rating notice at the beginning. Both reels were viewed by seller and guaranteed to be in condition as described. Print runs beautifully. This is an original theatrical scope print you will need a special lense to view this film.

Detailed condition:
Reel 1. About 1 splice. Lab head says, "Del 193969-Dom Estar Interneg #5.
There is a thin green emulsion line on the right side of the screen that begins when CP30 enters Jabba’s lair. It runs for 5 minutes then disappears. Another green emulsion line, this time on the far left side of the screen begins when Luke visits Yoda. This line runs for 22 minutes till the end of the reel. Please note aside from these lines the print is virtually flawless.

Reel 2. About 2 splices. Occasional minor green emulsion line that runs 1 or 2 minutes at the most. Minor black hairlines that are infrequent. Minor moment with a flash/spot. Overall, very excellent!

Please note I have not used any Film Renew (or similar type agent) or a film cleaner on this print. A cleaning and/or conditioning may enhance the viewing experience and integrity of the film.