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#196828
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Info: True Romance - Tarantino re-edit
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I tried editing this out once, also trying to use the music Tarantino specified for scenes in the script that Scott didn't use. (Most notably killing Zimmer's terrible Main Titles).

The biggest problem is that:

there is no real way to fit in Tarantino's ending, and many of his transitional devices between acts have been removed.

I'd love to collaborate with someone on an edit of this, though.

PS- it is EASILY his best script. Pulp Fiction is made up of deleted scenes from this script...
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#196827
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Idea: Torn Curtain - a fan edit?
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I have copies of the score recordings, and though an actual mix would be impossible without a score-less track (excluding those scenes which presently play with only FX and no score) a dvd with alternate isolated scores would be possible.

I just don't really know how to do it. If someone would like the raw materials, let me know. I'd love a copy of that.

I also have a copy of 'Hitchock Notebooks' which included a cue list, if I'm not mistaken, which would come in very handy when doing the syncing.
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#192834
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My Re-Edits of The Pink Panther: 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again - Extended' (Released)
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Doesn't the 'Closeau arriving home with groceries' sequence connect directly (With overlap) to the scene from Return?

Also, if I'm not mistaken, there is an exterior scene which is from the old movies, then cuts to people in a car following a body double, which was reshot -- but the rest of the sequence is 'real'
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#191433
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My Re-Edits of The Pink Panther: 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again - Extended' (Released)
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re: encluding cut footage / extended scenes:

I would love to see that edit; I though to make it when reviewing Trail (particularly the sequence from Revenge, with the shopping bags) and the one on the street, etc...

It also recently occured to me to re-cut the movies excluding the stuff that's just Edwards taking advantage, and telling his own story; staying rather with the Closeau gags.

Strikes Again, in particular, strikes me as a movie which would gain considerably from judicious trimming of the scifi Herbert Lom subplot.

And yes, I have a copy of the Romance of the Pink Panther script. PM me, I suppose, (and I'll just have to figure out how PMing works!)
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#182163
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Idea: a 2005 King Kong edit...
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I feel like the only way to give the movie crutches is to make Kong scary.

When he's rampaging through NYC, we should be AFRAID

when he's holding Anne Darrow, we (and SHE) should be scared.

If there's no way to accomplish this, even if we cut the jimmy stuff (which is seemingly there to mitigate the racism of the natives) and the other fat, it will only draw more attention to the movie's mediocrity, rather than helping to raise it above it.
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#110966
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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This is what I had thought Lucas should do after II came out: introduce a character similar to Vader, a Jedi, about whom Obi-Wan's ANH backstory could be accurate, and let us think that it is HIS remains Sidious finds and restores into Darth Vader.

The Tone Poems, I just realized, are no doubt a good source for dubs. Beyond which, if we REALLY want Grevious to be Maul, we can probably get the guy who did Maul (or if both are being re-recorded, I know where we can find some great voice talent.) All a shame, cos i love Grevious' voice.
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off-topic: there were always dicrepancies between the movies. If anything, the new portrayal of Vader as weak helps to gel those. The biggest one is the opening scroll of 4 saying that destroying the death star could 'restore freedom to the galaxy' and then they do, and 5 opens (it is a dark time for the rebellion.' what? The Emperor destroyed the senate, and lost his death star, thus losing his control via the regional governers. This is something easily solved by adding in the opening scroll that it is a time of chaos in the galaxy, with everyone struggling for control, the empire struggling to reclaim its grip, and the rebels on the run. (ie, just saying 'the galaxy has been flung into chaos' implies a lot more about revolutions and their results, etc) and we will imagine this chaos all occuring offscreen during ESB. I think this would be effecive.

Any thoughts?

Alas, if only there were a way to erase quigonjinn and make obiwan the protagonist of 1, which would make him the protagonist of the prequel trilogy.
And free candy. Free candy would be quite nice as well, I think.
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#110964
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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TEXT COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD:
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If you read the original draft of Revenge of the Jedi, by George Lucas, it will be clear to you that there is a 'rule of two' and the emporer is cutting Vader out...

Additionally- to settle this Dooku issue -- it is obvious that he needs to be less black-and-white and more charismatic. Unfortunately, it is obvious that he isn't Sidious. Also, we don't have the key 'Lost 20' scene which would make the whole story work. As such, suggest leaving orange saber, but dub 'Sifo-Dyas' as 'Lord Tyranus' and re-insert the final scene... to reveal that he who is running the droid army in fact creating the opposing army. This will, I think, be quite a suitable ending.

...also, the Yoda fight in Episode II needs to dissapear in its entirety.
Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Also, you didn't seem to address the fact that Yoda himself must have been a Dark Lord of the Sith in order to have had knowledge of the rule, as it was put into place AFTER they were wiped out... and that comes from George himself.

Who cares what Lucas said? As far as the movies themselves are concerned, you have to assume that there was some interaction with the Sith at some point after the 'rule of two' went into effect. This only makes sense, given we don't even know the reason for it inside the movies.

And the proof is in the pudding -- because Yoda knows it.

It would make a lot of sense to make Dooku the good guy even in Sith, who captured the villian finally, only to be killed...

We must be able to get audio of Christopher Lee saying something like 'no, you don't understand, he's..' (over his shoulder) then a quick cut to palp 'kill him!' and the head comes off.

Also, if we cut out anakin killing the tuskens (go off on his his expression and the twisty violins) then the mediocre scene with him and padme where he confesses isn't just a confessions.. it will be more powerful, because it's a revelation.
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and when Emperor in ROTJ says 'everything has been going according to my design' this should not simply be a revelation of the plot of that film, but of the whole series. (This is aided by something many don't like, namely the midichlorians. You can even leave them in, if you cut out the references to it being in the bloodstream. Just make it an observation made about he has strong midichlorians, and that its possible he was fathered by the midichlorians. There's a slim chance it can be made to work, for people picky about microscope jedi)
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#110961
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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Sad to say, because I love it, but the Yodafight in Episode III just doesn't belong in the movie.

Once the Jedi are betrayed, we should have AT MOST 30 minutes left... not over an hour. It's only there because it belonged in ROTJ and Lucas couldn't do it at the time (for obvious practical reasons) and wanted to stick it somewhere. We also spend 20 minutes wasting time (read: changing the message in the jedi temple etc) simply to get to that fight scene. Which, again, doesn't belong. [Aside from the fact that we need obi-wan to 'think as you you did' re saving anakin]

Re: Revenge of the Sith... we know the jedi wiped them out...

because we know that they want revenge for SOMETHING, and we know that the jedi are their enemies, and say they are extinct, and we're not stupid. It doesn't need to be spelled out. Beyond which, Fall of the Republic does kinda, how do you say, spoil the ending?

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Well, I think you can leave Maul as Maul in the first film, because doing so allows for the 'REVEAL' when the camera pans in tight on Greivous eyes. I think using a simple audio editor, you can alter GG voice to a lower, slower tone that will be closer to that of Maul's, but yet different enough as was Vader's. The whole point is to shock the viewer when you get close up and all of a sudden, he is Maul underneath. Even change the blade colors to Red for his sabers and leave the other Jedi's alone.

I too, would like to know what this Obi-Wan edit in the OT is about. :grin.

Since Grevious has no lips, you could redub the whole thing (much though I like his voice.. maybe someone can get in touch with Matt Wood) and have him talking through the final obiwan fight and reveal himself, or claim revenge.... adds to name rots...

You could re-dub the 'you must realize.. . you are doomed' 'oh i dont think so' climactic moment of their fight to a revelation as to his identity.... even so far as to dub obiwan (as his mouth is off-screen) .

Also- we're all keen on preserving the ESB Father reveal, but is there any way possibly to preserve the Yoda reveal as well, or is that one just shot to hell?

The only way to do it would be to establish that that's Yoda's native planet, and therefore this maybe isn't Yoda.

And btw---- if R2D2 remembers everything, why would he fight with Yoda over a candy bar to the point of zapping him?

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
in ANH, Tarkin is the Governor of the Outer Rim territories....
Anyway, I do agree that the story could have benefitted more from additional exposition of Tarkin. I noticed the dialogue about the deleted scene where Palpatine gave more authority to the Governors and thought this directly addressed the Tarkin situation.


Anyone want to go fishing through Peter Cushing's filmography with a pair of scissors?
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#110959
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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In the chase scene in episode 2, the cut i did about 2 years ago has obi wan looking out right after anakin jumps, then his pov of anakin falling, then we fall with anakin, then he lands on the ship and moves into the distance, then obiwan (already looking over, having watched all this transpire) says 'i hate it when he does that' and then we cut to zam whateverhernameis jerking up on the steering wheel.

magnoliafan--- re: the jumpcut leading to you cutting the 'i think he was a she' line (although it works better, i think, if that's a suprise) did you consider key-ing in someone passing in front of the camera? given the crowded nature of the scene, it should be easy. Let me know if you want any help with anything like this....
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#110958
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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It would make a lot of sense to make Dooku the good guy even in Sith, who captured the villian finally, only to be killed...

We must be able to get audio of Christopher Lee saying something like 'no, you don't understand, he's..' (over his shoulder) then a quick cut to palp 'kill him!' and the head comes off.

Also, if we cut out anakin killing the tuskens (go off on his his expression and the twisty violins) then the mediocre scene with him and padme where he confesses isn't just a confessions.. it will be more powerful, because it's a revelation.
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#110957
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Also, you didn't seem to address the fact that Yoda himself must have been a Dark Lord of the Sith in order to have had knowledge of the rule, as it was put into place AFTER they were wiped out... and that comes from George himself.



Who cares what Lucas said? As far as the movies themselves are concerned, you have to assume that there was some interaction with the Sith at some point after the 'rule of two' went into effect. This only makes sense, given we don't even know the reason for it inside the movies.

And the proof is in the pudding -- because Yoda knows it.
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#110956
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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If you read the original draft of Revenge of the Jedi, by George Lucas, it will be clear to you that there is a 'rule of two' and the emporer is cutting Vader out...

Additionally- to settle this Dooku issue -- it is obvious that he needs to be less black-and-white and more charismatic. Unfortunately, it is obvious that he isn't Sidious. Also, we don't have the key 'Lost 20' scene which would make the whole story work. As such, suggest leaving orange saber, but dub 'Sifo-Dyas' as 'Lord Tyranus' and re-insert the final scene... to reveal that he who is running the droid army in fact creating the opposing army. This will, I think, be quite a suitable ending.

...also, the Yoda fight in Episode II needs to dissapear in its entirety.


Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
>>[quote]Plus it adds the possibility of Vader, Palpatine, and Luke co-existing as Sith in the OT... a sort of Evil trinity.[/quote]

Not really. That's never a possibility. Return of the Jedi makes that painfully clear. Palps wanted Luke to kill Vader. Palps was fully prepared to let Vader kill Luke. There would never be a possibility of a Evil trinity no matter how you tweaked the prequels.>>


If that was never a possibility, Vader wouldn't have blocked Luke's swing at the Emperor.
WHAM! Sidious is dead, Vader is Emperor, and Luke has turned to the dark side.
Vader seemed to be under the impression that there were going to be three of them, even if it did turn out that Palpatine did intend to repay Vader's betrayal in ESB with one of his own.

>>Also, I think your switch from Dooku DEFINITELY being a sith to being some kind of "maybe-bad-guy/Dark Jedi" easily kneecaps the entire point of the character at the least, and simply makes the mystery about him redundant as well, especially considering his role in Episode III. You have to have his vagueness wrapped up in Episode II, otherwise it creates problems for Episode III. The Yellow Saber ruins that. Hell, it factors into that Return of the Jedi climax as much as anything else--Palpatine's ability to turn Dooku and get him to resign from the Jedi is a main reason he smiles and grins at Vader for suggesting he can turn Luke. you take that away from Dooku by giving him a yellow saber and not outright making him a sith, you completely weaken not only the ESB scene, but the force behind Palpatine's taunts in ROTJ.

The change doesn't kneecap the character at all.
That one scene kneecapped the entire film in Episode II. It took what could have been an interesting cliffhanger mystery and spoonfed you the answer before it was in any way necessary.
It would have been like having Yoda tell Luke that Vader was his father at the end of ESB instead of in Jedi. People argued for three years after ESB that Vader was a liar and not really Luke's father, or that he was a clone of Luke's father, until Jedi resolved it definitely. I have several old magazines from then with articles debating it.
Also, it can still easily be revealed that Dooku is a Sith in Episode III, if I decide to make him one. Likewise, it could just as easily be removed altogether.
It in no way effects the scene in ESB, other than removing contradictory information.
If there were a rule of two in place in Jedi, Vader would have agreed to kill Luke, then hidden him from the Emperor and tried to turn him... and he certainly would NEVER have taken an unturned Luke before the Emperor in Jedi. If Dooku were a Sith, and we know how he ends up in III, Vader wouldn't need to be a rocket scientist to see how that was going to end up.
Also, the Emperor's taunts are totally irrelevant to any of the changes I made. You won't really see how much they mirror a scene in the Prequels until EP III, and its Anakin who is on the recieving end of the taunting then.