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#1320228
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Here’s the only non-Palpatine related tweak I’m considering, thanks to the idea from Rogue Leader.

Finn Wakes
https://vimeo.com/385284341
pw: fanedit

I had piece together Rey whispering “Finn”, because all of times she says his name were in the wrong tone! At the end of TFA when she’s speaking to him while he’s unconscious, she whispers “friend” and “again”, which is where this came from.

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#1320217
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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I just updated the subtle version of the Snoke eyes (same link) to make it an even faster flash of red.

EddieDean said:
we’re creating alternative versions as if they’re the ones that aired in the cinema, for the first-time viewer. We need to be sure these changes are noticed, not just things we can comfortably know are there.

I would say that is the goal for these V3 edits as a whole, but not for this particular moment. Likely in the next few days, I will repost links to all of the collective changes, and I think you’ll find the “Palpatine Contact” edit on the previous pages of this thread serves as a much stronger hint/reveal late in the film. The idea is to pepper in these little details that people may or may not see, and then at the end to clearly hint at something that has people talking and anticipating episode IX.

Jackpumpkinhead said:
IMHO I would say it would be better for the silhouette of her parents to merge into Palpatine and hold in front of her until the fog lifts to reveal Rey just standing there. So kind of a mix of the first and Second version.

I had that thought too at one point but I don’t know if the footage I have of Palpatine will work through that whole moment. I could try it, but I kind of like the subtle way the hood appears as the hand is going up. It feels creepier and subtler, I think. Still, a good idea and something to consider!

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#1320018
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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smpearce1981 said:

When Snoke’s torso falls…that’s not blue smoke!?? It’s a ghostly silhouette of cloaked Palpatine perfectly scaled to where Snoke was sat?

Haha! No it was not intentional, but I see it now! I love those happy accidents. It’s actually just a smoke charge that I distorted a bit. I can try a version where it leaves the screen, but honestly I’m happy with the way it looks now, especially now that I see the hood.

RogueLeader said:
people would’ve still speculated for two years about what it meant. Then when the Palpatine reveal happens people would feel like it was obvious in retrospect, which I think is the goal, isn’t it?

This is the goal!

Axios, for the fight with the praetorian guards, I can see where the seams of the choreography are showing, and the music is kind of understated, but I’m still ok with it as-is. To me, it’s just a fun action scene after the emotional catharsis of the climax. I’ve seen the versions with “Duel of the Fates” the way Ortega cut it, and while it works, the music actually seems like overkill to me, making the scene seem more important than it really is. Unlike other lightsaber battles (such as Luke vs. Vader), there’s no opportunity to reveal character here. I’m not invested in the guards, so there’s not a lot of tension; it’s just more of a release for Rey and Kylo-Ren.

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#1320011
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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idir_hh said:

Alternatively you could try transitioning to the Sith eyes when he looks up from the light saber as it penetrates his body

Hey I gave this a try, and it’s interesting (very horror movie like), but I think I the other ways better:
Snoke Sith Death - Eyes turn when Lifting Head

Reposting the other two to consolidate:
Snoke Sith Death Strong

Snoke Sith Death Subtle

pw for all: fanedit

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#1319968
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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jarbear, just updated the subtle version with a faster flare or his eyes (same link as above).

idir, glad the strong version is working! I’m not sure I want to reveal his true nature here so much as hint at it. There’s so much happening in this moment already, with the tension between Rey and Kylo-Ren and the anticipation of what Ren will do. I don’t want to distract from that. I just want to drop a hint here, where if someone were to go back and look they might find this clue.

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#1319960
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Totally with you guys I think. The eyes could distract from one of the film’s major moments.

Just to play it out a little further, though, here’s two options, one which is even stronger on the eyes than before, with brighter yellow. The other is a more subtle, briefer flare of the eyes as he’s struck by the lightsaber that quickly dissipates.

Snoke Sith Death Strong

Snoke Sith Death Subtle

pw for both: fanedit

EDIT: jarbear, didn’t see your last post until I posted, but I think my subtle version is the kind of thing you’re thinking about! I think maybe it could be even faster? Good to know we’re on the same page!

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#1319916
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Regarding the eyes, I would much rather go for something that closer matches Palpatine from the original trilogy than Darth Maul, especially since Palpatine is who we are teasing.

I used two different weights of Snoke’s eye color intensity, one for when he is first struck by the lightsaber…

And one for when it settles a little. I felt like this would look more subtle and appropriate for resting Sith eyes.

I could keep the more intense look longer (which to me, if anything, appears too strong and more Maul than Palpatine). I also have control over the thickness and softness of the red ring around the yellow, which can be smoothed out a little, but again, I want to keep it in line with Palpatine (who has a thin sharp red ring) as much as possible.

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#1319777
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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And now for something completely different! Here’s a first pass of Snoke’s sith eyes at his death, and blue essence/smoke as he’s split in half (in background out of focus).

Snoke Sith Death (V1)
pw: fanedit

Edit: to give a little more detail here, looking at smpearce1981’s comment below, there’s a lot of flexibility here given how well I feel the eye tracking went. I’m probably showing more than is necessary in this first pass, and can dial anything back. My thought with starting strong with the red/yellow eyes was that as Snoke is stabbed, he’s stunned and briefly lets the mask over his true identity slip, which is why it flares on stronger. But I think a lighter touch here and subtlety is always a good direction to go, and I agree if Snoke is a Palpatine puppet, he surprise may just be an act.

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#1319766
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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DZ-330 said:

Might not be possible, but would there be a way to make force ghost Yoda actually look like a force ghost?

While it may not look exactly like it did in the OT, it’s similar enough to me and is consistent with Luke in the TROS. It honestly never bothered me.

IA, thanks for the feedback, I take your points! When I revisit the scene, I may take a look at playing with the light rays or adding slight camera movement so it doesn’t seem so static (no pun intended). As for the general idea of scene, I think/hope it’s more of a tease than a full reveal, as Ash described. If we were going back in time, I would say the goal would be to plant the idea of something new, like Yoda in ESB (“there is another”), giving people something to talk about and anticipate for IX. This also should work with any edit of TROS, whether it’s with the theatrical crawl or saving the big reveal for Exegol.

jarbear (and everyone), I appreciate the encouragement! I haven’t looked at the Palpatine contact in the last day, but right now I’m leaning towards 4E, which only has one repeated shot (that’s cropped and retimed).

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#1319610
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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So glad to hear the new hood is feeling good, and that 4E is sitting well with people! That is the current version in the cut, but I’ll still take a look with fresh eyes and try other stuff in the meantime! Speaking of…

stevepaynter said:

Did you still have plans for the showing hints that Palpatine is controlling Snoke when he his sliced in half? Suggestions have been showing Snoke with dark side yellow eyes and a blue essence leaving his body.

I did, and actually I was playing with it today and was very happy with how well the tracking on the eyes came out. I should be able to post something in the next day or two!

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#1319577
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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I think I’d rather keep the mystery and subtlety than do anything explicit. I’m happy with broken words and then “Find me.” I appreciate the offer for voice help, though!

I think we have 2-3 good options that are very similar, so I’d like to step away from it for now, and look at it with fresh eyes before making a decision and final tweaks.

So, in that spirit, I’ve made another pass of the Mirror Cave scene, moving the appearance of the hood later as Axios and others have suggested!

Dark Side Cave Whispers and Hood (V4)
PW: fanedit

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#1319334
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Sorry for so much posting!

I updated 4D V3, retiming and recropping the end shot of Kylo’s eyes, hoping it no longer feels like a duplicate and more of just cutting back to the same camera angle.

So the three options I’m considering are:

Palpatine Contact Option 4E
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch shot restored to theatrical spot. Ends on long dolly shot.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V2)
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch on “Find Me”, ends on radio shot with signal totally gone.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V3)
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch on “Find Me”, ends on Kylo eyes closeup, retimed and cropped.

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#1319327
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
Time

I did too. It kind of felt like he was unraveling, wondering if he was losing it.

I do like ending on a shot of Kylo though. Just to throw a monkey wrench into everything, I’ll say my personal favorite was actually the 4D V3! There’s something exciting and terrifying about ending on the closeup of Kylo’s eyes, even if it is a repeated shot. I guess to me his reactions are so understated it just looks like cutting back to the same camera angle, and not the same exact shot.

Well, anyway, I’m curious to hear what everyone thinks. I’m overall happy with any of the D or E options.

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#1319315
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Hello, here’s an Option E! For this version, I’ve returned the twitch shot to original theatrical spot, and reduced the cutting back and forth to the radio, now ending on the long dolly shot.

Palpatine Contact Option 4E
PW: fanedit

Axios, thanks for your thoughts. I went a bit more subtle with some of the sound effects for Option E as you suggested, but I kept the force call sound, as I would like to leave it open to interpretation as to where the voice is coming from. Good thoughts on the Dark Side Cave, and I will think about that when I revisit it. Part of me is just not sure I can do the FX in a way that’s convincing enough, but we’ll see!

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Poppasketti Do you plan on including a shot of the dark side version of Rey seen in The Rise of Skywalker?

If you mean for the Mirror Cave scene in TLJ, I am not sure. I don’t think it really fits into that moment, which is about her disappointment in just seeing her reflection. I think she would have had a different reaction if she had seen evil Rey.

jarbear said:
May the force be with you!

And you!

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#1318976
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Thanks Hal! And thanks everyone for the helpful feedback!

RL, I get what you’re saying and I can see a version like that working (Option 4E)! I think if I do try that, I would slow down and split up the long dolly, as you said, and end on that shot. I think I should stay away from the closeup eyes shot to avoid a second duplicated shot.

I don’t think it was really the music that was dictating the edits so much as needing to give a new idea it’s own moment, which requires time. So I don’t want to make it much shorter, but rather reduce the number of cuts.

I’ll take a look when I can, but for now, 4D V2 is the “current” version in the cut!

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#1318867
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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Ehhh, what the heck! Here’s a D3! This changes the last shot of scene before the wipe to a closeup of Kylo’s eyes instead of the radio. This technically is a reused shot, but it’s time remapped and cropped a bit. Just like the D2 change, I could go either way on this.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V3)
https://vimeo.com/384058180
PW: fanedit