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#730690
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

There is a difference between a rumor and an opinion.  A rumor is a possible spoiler with some basis in heresay.  An opinion is something entirely different.  A rumor that is a potential spoiler is essentially a spoiler -- in my opinion.

 What a storm in a teacup. Rumours occur all the time about upcoming movie releases. Who knows, maybe they will kill off Luke in the final scene, which would be fun to see, but somehow I don't think they would do that as that would be pretty stupid for the franchise as a whole. In my experience none of the pre-release rumours about movies ever amount to much in the way of fact. Once the movie comes out everybody forgets all about the earlier unsubstantiated rumours. A rumour cannot be a plot spoiler unless it is true and goes into all of the detail, for example if a scriptwriter or member of the cast spills the beans... in which case I'm betting the director would quickly change that part of the plot. The only other time a rumour can be true is if the plot is likely to be so predictable that everybody knows what's going to happen anyway, e.g. in Home Alone 567 some kid will get left behind by his parents somewhere, will draw the attention of criminals, who will then try to catch him but he will devise various traps to foil them. Columbo will always solve the murder and the first witness he speaks to will generally be the killer. etc. etc. etc. These are not plot spoilers. They are predictable elements lacking in detail. A rumour can only go so far. It seldom goes into any details, so we do not know the circumstances, reasons, or outcomes. Opinions based on rumours are NOT plot spoilers if the movie has not been released.

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#730686
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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RicOlie_2 said:

I hope not. That was done in the PT and who knows how many times in the EU. It's time for something new that doesn't involve sith and people falling to the dark side.

 Spoiler alert! Spoiler alert! You just expressed an opinion about a plot sequence saying you hope it is not like the rumour, and that is a spoiler (apparently). Ooooh wah, I'm telling on you. :-)

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#730566
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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NeverarGreat said:

point5 said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Agreed. Please put large spoiler tags on each of your posts, the two of you...

You must be kidding right? These are not spoilers. They are part of a discussion about what we do not want to see in Episode 7.  They can only be spoilers if they ARE actually in Episode 7. Do you have a crystal ball?

 /Film, which has previously reported on almost every other leak of Episode 7 material, decided not to report this particular potential spoiler because it was so huge. If on the off chance it is in the movie, knowing it would be like spoiling 'I am your father'. For the record, I don't think this has much chance of being real, but it's the principle of the matter.

An opinion is not a plot spoiler. Get real!

Consider this hypothetical:

The following article appears in a tabloid article: "Joe Blogs claims he is a good friend of a script writer for the upcoming Star Wars movie. Joe informs us that in Episode 7 Luke will ride a talking unicorn that can spit fire."

Fact: This is a rumour, NOT a plot spoiler.

Reply from fan to article in tabloid journal: "I would not like to see Luke ride a talking unicorn that spits fire in Episode 7 because it would spoil everything".

The statement made by the fan is an opinion, NOT a plot spoiler.

Someone wrote the following on a forum two weeks after the official release of Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Indiana Jones finds the lost Ark of the Convenant and is chased by Nazis. The Nazis all die when they open the Ark, but Indiana and his friends survive because they do not look at the light."

This is a plot spoiler.

Please understand the difference.

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#730564
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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RicOlie_2 said:

Alright, large "rumour" tags. Maybe people don't think the rumours have any truth in them and it's true that they're largely speculation, but some people would like to be warned about it before reading. The guy who wrote the article about that rumour, which is a huge spoiler if it has truth in it, warned his readers. I don't think it would do any harm to do the same.

Your imagination is running away from you. I was not encouraging the rumour mill. I was merely stating my opinion that I would not like to see that happen to Luke in Episode 7, regardless of whether it is a rumour or not. With any luck someone from Disney may read these posts and say "Okay, so it looks like the fans are not happy with that, so we won't ever try changing Luke's character away from that in the OT". Hardly a plot spoiler. LOL!

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#730543
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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darklordoftech said:

In response to the recent rumors: Luke turning to the dark side is the worst thing that could possibly happen. It would ruin everything that's happened so far.

 Agreed. Tempting Luke with the dark side is in keeping with the original plot, but actually turning him for any period of time would ruin everything. SW fans will depart cinemas in their thousands if Disney should ever tamper with this aspect of the plot.

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#729986
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Tyrphanax said:

point5 said:

Tobar said:

The same team that did CW is behind Rebels. Just like CW I'm sure the production values will increase overtime.

 I know people keep saying this, but I always find myself asking "Well why then are they so different?" and "why did the animation deteriorate?" Surely the animation should have improved under Disney. Instead it has taken a step backwards. Hopefully this is just a case of "finding their feet". There is always hope.

If we see an improvement over time (which I totally anticipate), then the likely answer is "budget". A lot of times with TV shows, the risk is so great that they begin with a smaller budget and slowly release more and more if the show is successful. That way, if a show bombs in its first season, loss is minimized.

Dave Filoni talked about the Clone Wars being that way, and despite animated Star Wars being a proven formula, Disney isn't stupid (they've run a successful TV channel for over a decade now) and TV is always risky (just think of all the shows you know have been canned and then remember that there are at least two more for each one of those, and probably more).

Star Wars is still in a volatile place right now and they know that a lot of fans are on edge. Rebels exists partly as a peace offering and partly because Disney wants to test the water; it's like a trial run for VII: If people are receptive, then they know what they're doing is good. But if Rebels doesn't work, they can pull the plug with minimal loss by not making a huge investment right away.

You don't get to the top and stay there by taking risks. Especially not Disney. Mark my words, you'll see an improvement a few seasons in.

 I hear what you say, but I find it difficult to understand why so many shows that ARE very popular and have a large fan base do sometimes get cancelled. Fans can write thousands of letters in support, but nothing changes, the show stays cancelled. I am convinced that some executives have no idea what the public wants.

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#729971
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Tobar said:

The same team that did CW is behind Rebels. Just like CW I'm sure the production values will increase overtime.

 I know people keep saying this, but I always find myself asking "Well why then are they so different?" and "why did the animation deteriorate?" Surely the animation should have improved under Disney. Instead it has taken a step backwards. Hopefully this is just a case of "finding their feet". There is always hope.

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#729967
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Tobar said:

When was the last time you watched Star Wars (1977) if I may ask? =P

And how would you say Rebels is more "Disneyfied" than say...DROIDS?

 Answer to first question: Last week.

Second question: Huge difference mostly subtle. but all of the subtle differences stack up. There are differences with the animation, the way the characters look and move, the way they talk (kind of dialogue) and interact, the plot formulas etc. I am not an American which possibly makes me more sensitive to the subtle differences. I can always pick a Disney animation if I catch it half way through on TV, even without looking at the title. Droids cannot be compared because it is so dated now, but I would have to say that compared to CW, this recent effort at animation is rather amateurish and needs a lot of work. Somehow I do not believe the problems will ever be addressed because Disney will remain oblivious to them.

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#729833
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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It seems the short previews being shown on YouTube are not sufficient to give anyone a good understanding of what the complete episodes and series will be like. I watched the previews and my first thoughts were "awful", "amateurish" and "childish". Hopefully once I see some full episodes I will be forced to eat my words. Somehow I suspect that Aladdin-like character will grate at my nerves. Why did Disney rehash Aladdin? Surely they are not so broke that they had to resort to cloning old animated characters.

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#728460
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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MaximRecoil said:

point5 said:

Definitely no singing. I mean with Disney you never can be 100% sure that there won't be any campy singing and dancing. The very thought of Darth, Yoda and the Emperor singing a show tune is enough to send a cold shiver up my spine. Brrrrrrr!!! Well they have rehashed Aladdin as a main character for Rebels, so who knows what Disney is capable of. I trust them not.

 I wouldn't mind seeing a CGI Ethel Merman and Bea Arthur belting out "Everything's Coming up Roses".

 LOL! 

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#728459
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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JediZombie said:

I don't like the way the Wookies look.

 As with everything Disney it gets airbrushed and sanitized. So it does not surprise me that no Disney Wookie will ever be smelly or have dandruff or fleas. I guarantee once we have "Smellavision" on our TV sets, all of these Disney Wookies will smell of lilac too. :-)

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#727772
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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7?
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Definitely no singing. I mean with Disney you never can be 100% sure that there won't be any campy singing and dancing. The very thought of Darth, Yoda and the Emperor singing a show tune is enough to send a cold shiver up my spine. Brrrrrrr!!! Well they have rehashed Aladdin as a main character for Rebels, so who knows what Disney is capable of. I trust them not.

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#727598
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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Tyrphanax said:

Seriously. We haven't even seen the first episode of this; we have no idea how dark it'll be. The Clone Wars was a pretty light series and even it had some very dark moments.

Humdingers has the right mindset here.

 You may be right. I could be suffering from perception bias. I've been trying to think of any Disney animations and movies that have explored dark themes or had dark moments. I keep coming up blank. They do have a reputation for presenting the cute and fluffy in a mostly lighthearted, non-threatening, and non-scary way. They also have a habit of sanitizing out the violence. And if the characters break into song they totally lose me. I am sure there must be exceptions. Maybe others can enlighten me with some examples. 

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#727430
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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DuracellEnergizer said:

point5 said:

OMG! I just had a look at some of the shorts of Rebels. This has descended to kiddy bopz stuff. Mostly non-violent, cutesy, sanitized, bland, with terrible dialogue and Aladdin-like main characters that wobble and bounce around like they are made of elastic

You dissin' Aladdin, biotch?! Fo' sho Imma smack yo ass upside da head fo' dat!

 What's there to like about Aladdin? He's a dweeb.

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#727409
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Disney's attitude towards fan edits / restorations?
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moviefreakedmind said:

For OOT reconstructions/upscales like Harmy or DarkJedi, it depends on what their plans are. If they are going to re-release the OOT then maybe they're waiting to see if that stops all these fan edits, and if their release isn't completely insulting like the GOUT, then it really should. If they have no plans to release the OOT then I think they would've shut it down by now. Given how little Lucas seemed to care about fan edits I think Disney will want to go about dealing with them as peacefully as possible, and releasing the OOT would get rid of the need for projects like the Despecialized Edition. As for things like Adywan, I don't think they care since most people who would watch those probably already love and have/would purchase the films anyway (I say "would" because they may be waiting for the OOT). I agree that they may not be so quiet about it when it comes to Ep. VII, but again, if they do a good job then there won't be a need for such big fan edits like there were for the prequels. As for prequel fan edits, I don't think they care at all since no one wants to buy the real movies anyway.

 Having just watched some of the previews for the new "Aladdin in Space" series (which is what many SW fans are calling it), I must say I am very disappointed in the direction this has taken. I doubt whether too many hardcore Star Wars fans will be bothered with fan edits of Rebels in future. Hopefully nobody will try to restore it in another 20-30 years either, but let it die and erode away into nothingness as quickly as possible. I only hope Ep. VII is not similarly "Disney-ized" or my love affair with Star Wars will end at the time when Lucasfilm ceased production. I have great fears for the future of the Star Wars saga. Oh well, I guess us die hard fans will still have the books to satisfy our need for the "real" Star Wars.

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#727365
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<strong>STAR WARS: REBELS</strong> (animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
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OMG! I just had a look at some of the shorts of Rebels. This has descended to kiddy bopz stuff. Mostly non-violent, cutesy, sanitized, bland, with terrible dialogue and Aladdin-like main characters that wobble and bounce around like they are made of elastic, plus lots of lazy and meaningless dialogue... just awful. :-(

Considering this is supposed to represent the darkest days of the empire, why oh why did they choose to present it in this amateurish and childish way?

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#727354
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Droids Series Complete Set. Reconstruction from multiple sources. V1.0 is out! (Released)
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Video Collector said:

point5 said:

Video Collector said:

P5, I am really not okay with this. As a custom cover designer I generally frown upon people cannibalizing my work.

Feel free to make such modifications for yourself, but please refrain from distributing them.

Not much I can really do about it if you persist, but I just wanted to let my feelings on the matter be known.

I generally frown upon people cannibalizing my work.

*smiling at the irony* Haha!! ;-) I thought this whole forum operated on the premise that fan art is intended as a compliment to the original artists. We always assume of course that the original artists will see it that way and not as a stolen and cannibalized manipulation.

please refrain from distributing them.

*sigh* No intention whatsoever and now I know your feelings, not at all. I guess I was just trying to show others what I was talking about re the front cover and need for a clearer image, which is why I posted up a HIGHLY reduced image which was useless to anyone who may have downloaded it. And "far be it for me" to distribute something that isn't mine. Heaven forbid! ;-)

Not much I can really do about it if you persist.

I'm taking that gem with me all the way to the summit of Mt Everest and back. :-)

P5, the more I read your post the more condescending and spiteful it seems.

However, irony of ironies I actually have a copy of the cover you asked about, and have made a high-rez scan of it which I have PM-ed you a link to. Now, please refrain from ever speaking to me again, as I find you most unpleasant.

I am beginning to see that this was all just a big and very silly misunderstanding that got out of hand really fast. It probably relates more to our cultural differences than anything else.

VC you seem to forget that I greatly admire your work. I had intended using your work as a compliment and tribute to you. I meant no offense by it. Basically my heart was in the right place and I should not have surprised you without properly consulting you about it first. I still praise you highly and always will. Without you and people like you these forums would be a much poorer place.

I'm willing to get in my Tardis and back peddle through time a bit. Let's forget this unfortunate and ridiculous incident ever took place shall we? I will not mention Droids cover art on these forums ever again. I promise!!