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#1400623
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jarbear said:

No worries. I’ve done it too, thought I was missing something.

That was the beauty of the originals … time/travel time were left ambiguous. We were not given timers … since that would cause all sorts of issues to try and "make it 100% logical/explainable for science/laws/etc. How long did it take the crew to get to Alderan? We aren’t told. How long did it take the crew to get to Cloud city without a hyperdrive? We don’t know. Those scenes were split up with other scenes/locations that gives “the illusion of time” occurring. Simple and works.

That’s why I appreciate the removal of the “timer” in this edit about the “Palpy fleet attack.” Again, like the Last Jedi we are told things happening in hours and the “hero’s” are all traveling and doing things “within hours” and makes it … unbelievable. Also, the light speed skipping breaks “the rules/laws” from ANH. Heck, it breaks the movie before it it’s rule on how it works. LOL it was just bad, period.

It’s bad to make a created story that tells you at the beginning “Oil and Water do not mix” and then later show water mixing with oil." Takes you out of that world the author/creator is creating. A big no-no in story telling.

Also Jonh, again, great work with the haircut. Comparing it with the original “wig” it’s night and day difference.

As a giant dork, I am legally compelled to note that the canon reason it doesn’t break the ANH rules is that the ‘skips’ are precalculated at the outset, before any jump takes place.

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#1400616
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jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

sidshady12 said:

It is an interesting thing to think about - how far did they go on their first light speed jump? And would it make sense with the whole chances of running into a star or other debris?

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m / s

Being generous, I’m assuming he was going light speed for 3 seconds, but it might be 3.2 or something. Multiplied by 3 and converted to miles, you only get 558,847.

EDIT: nvm ships go WAY faster than the speed of light in star wars pretty sure

https://www.tor.com/2014/12/08/star-wars-how-fast-is-the-millennium-falcon/#:~:text=The Millennium Falcon’s top speed,So there we have it.

With this guys research and anaylsis, which I’m inclined to believe because for the star wars lore/movies to make sense with the distances and speeds seen then going hyper speed would be extremely faster than just normal light speed, so even 3 seconds is by no means a ‘quick/close jump.’ Did some calculations with the times this guy theorized and the falcon likely would’ve gone a couple trillion miles in just a few seconds

Well, I would say it’s Star Wars, not Star Trek, doesn’t need to be realistic as long as it keeps inner consistency within the Universe it takes place.

Honestly, it doesn’t even do that. In ANH, it explicitly only takes them a few minutes to get from Alderaan to Tatooine, which is a pretty lengthy trip based on in-universe maps. Other films clearly have longer travel times. Hyperspace travel has always, since the very beginning, moved at the speed of plot.

Where does it explicitly say that?

That’s actually my bad- after posting, I realized my memory of the scene had gotten mixed up a description of the scene somebody had said to me in conversation a bit ago. My memory is garbage.

That being said, Han enters the room, talks about how he’d thrown the Empire off their tail, and then within minutes the ship is coming up on Alderaan. It’s clearly not meant to be an extended period of time. I’d argue the scene doesn’t make any sense if it takes more than half an hour.

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#1400605
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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MalaStrana#2 said:

sidshady12 said:

It is an interesting thing to think about - how far did they go on their first light speed jump? And would it make sense with the whole chances of running into a star or other debris?

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m / s

Being generous, I’m assuming he was going light speed for 3 seconds, but it might be 3.2 or something. Multiplied by 3 and converted to miles, you only get 558,847.

EDIT: nvm ships go WAY faster than the speed of light in star wars pretty sure

https://www.tor.com/2014/12/08/star-wars-how-fast-is-the-millennium-falcon/#:~:text=The Millennium Falcon’s top speed,So there we have it.

With this guys research and anaylsis, which I’m inclined to believe because for the star wars lore/movies to make sense with the distances and speeds seen then going hyper speed would be extremely faster than just normal light speed, so even 3 seconds is by no means a ‘quick/close jump.’ Did some calculations with the times this guy theorized and the falcon likely would’ve gone a couple trillion miles in just a few seconds

Well, I would say it’s Star Wars, not Star Trek, doesn’t need to be realistic as long as it keeps inner consistency within the Universe it takes place.

Honestly, it doesn’t even do that. In ANH, it explicitly only takes them a few minutes to get from Alderaan to Tatooine, which is a pretty lengthy trip based on in-universe maps. Other films clearly have longer travel times. Hyperspace travel has always, since the very beginning, moved at the speed of plot.

Edit: my recollection of this scene was off. Still, as I say below, my point remains.

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#1385614
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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macesmajored said:

TK251 said:

Google drive recently patched the copy feature. If I remember correctly they only let 1TB be downloaded for a specific file in 24 hours.

What a bummer! It appears none of the usual Drive download workarounds are functioning for me either. I can always wait a bit more, hopefully in a week or so the download rush has subsided! 😕

I found that if you go a folder up and just download the entire containing folder, it’ll work.

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#1385458
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JakeRyan17 said:

The experimental tracking system that was heavily delayed and was a massive system on command ships becomes small enough to fit in a TIE cockpit, and even more efficient to actively track an enemy ship as it teleports from planet to planet to planet… all in less time it took to develop the previously-assumed to be impossible technology it was based on.

Why didn’t the iPhone 12 Pro Max come out in 1995?

You’re assuming the ships were being tracked from the TIEs, rather than the ship that deployed them.

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#1385428
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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JakeRyan17 said:

Brewzter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:
My problem with the sequence isn’t the speeds, but rather the fact that the TIEs can follow the falcon through lightspeed.

I don’t understand the issue with this, it seems perfectly reasonable to me for technology to develop over the course of the timeline. For example, in the PT era, Anakin could only get a metal hand but by the time of the OT era, Luke could get a real-looking prosthetic. So I don’t see why hyperdrives couldn’t be progressed into being small/cheap enough for a TIE fighter.

So, things progress more in one year than the previous half century? Damn! Those TIE fighters got upgraded more than flagships?

I mean, TFA/TLJ-era Special Forces TIEs have hyperdrives. It’s not all that bizarre for them to become more widespread, especially because if you look closer, they’re actually TIE Whispers - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE_whisper_starfighter

Also, that IS the pace at which real technology advances sometimes, lol.

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#1382771
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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21C Peasant said:

For anyone interested, this is my latest work on the intro to the Battle of Mustafar. This is a major improvement over my last effort to include Vader’s castle. To me, this gives clear context as to where exactly this scene is taking place (on Mustafar, near Vader’s fortress), because in the theatrical version, it is entirely unclear unless you have read the novelization.

The additional music is from the original piece that John Williams composed for the opening scene but was not used. I have already inserted this into my own edit of TROS.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wJJQbeg9kM6EoLf2dNer0AIt6VLz_8oH/view?usp=sharing

Ack, I was hoping to take a look at it but it’s gone now.

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#1380654
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Ed Slushie said:

Idea for a way to tie the saga together: Adding audio from Jedi: Fallen Order and CW03 to the voices-of-Jedi-past scene to make Rey become a Jedi Knight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ULkOBIs4bU&feature=youtu.be

I like this, but cut without the Yoda line at the end? It’s a little more subtle if it’s just ‘by the right of the council, by the will of the force’, with no, ‘dub thee, i do’, etc.

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#1380272
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Anakin Starkiller said:
Imo, it doesn’t violate anything. Palpatine isn’t living forever, he’s just Voldemorting; cheating death in little bits at a time, slowly losing his humanity in the process. He hasn’t conquered death, only stalled it.

I agree, honestly. Even with that’s just shown in the movie, it’s clear that this is not a permanant solution, and I suspect that his soul have rotted through Ben or Rey in time, too, or even his healed body towards the end.

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#1379811
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jarbear said:

Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.

Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.

(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)

Wait, why are you blaming Rian Johnson for that? Rian Johnson didn’t do that, lol. Rian Johnson was not involved in bringing back Palpatine, lol.

On the subject: Sith can’t persist as bodyless spirits, but they can persist if bound to objects or host bodies (and host bodies is something literally only Palpatine has ever achieved, and only through what he’d learned from Plaguis before turning on him), though it’s an extremely unpleasant ‘existence’.

Anyway, there’s a difference between reaching into the netherworld of the force and making brief contact with old friends, long gone, than a ghost manifesting in the material world, a la what Obi-Wan, Yoda, and eventually Luke and Leia learned.

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#1373904
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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EddieDean said:

Welp, that totally puts that whole train of speculation to bed.

To be fair, I suppose we do have to acknowledge that Vader-as-father only came in an early ESB script, and Leia-as-sister only existed as an idea for ROTJ, so Star Wars does kind of have this ‘laying the tracks before the train’ approach.

But still, I don’t think that justifies this lack of oversight and planning for what should have been a cohesive trilogy from the start.

EU media will gradually embed Palpatine-as-grandfather in the canon more solidly, but personally I’ll always prefer Rey Nobody, especially knowing how little it mattered to the production team.

All valid points. I very much get where they got the impulse to freewheel it- not wanting to tie themselves down and wanting to recapture some of the ‘free’ atmosphere of the original trilogy, which, like you said, was equally freewheeled original trilogy. It was definitely a mistake.

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#1371484
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jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

A hallmark of Star Wars is a constantly changing sense of continuity. There’s nothing smooth about it. The EU are nanobots trying to heal somebody constantly being injured in all manner of ways. You can appreciate the effort and do some of it in your own head, but the ST renewed the franchise’s commitment to never planning ahead and constantly retconning everything.

Applauds loudly

Who cares about “canon” when doing fan edits. Part of fan edits is to fix issues. So let’s be real, even before Disney stepped in with their “Let’s not plan anything and see what happens” approach Star Wars cannon had some blaring holes and inconsistencies. And no, I don’t want to turn this into a general discussion thread but the idea of adhering to “canon” is silly and not going to happen with this edit.

Plus, just for fun and giggles, to adhere to “canon” then we would have to remove everything about Leia and training with Luke, since does not train AT ALL to be a Jedi in the canon book Bloodlines. (Just involved in politics) Boy … that’ll really mess up with the last part of the movie removing that part AND Leia’s lightsaber for the sake of canon.

See why adhering to “canon” is silly?

I just want to point out that Leia’s training had ended years before Bloodline takes place, and it doesn’t actually ever say that she recieved no instruction from Luke, just that she’d chosen to take the path of politics. In fact, when asked, she specifically dodges the question when asked in the book:

“If you have that ability, then I cannot imagine why you would not become a Jedi as well,” Tai-Lin finished. “Surely I’ve known few people who would make a finer Jedi Knight than you.” Leia inclined her head in gratitude for the compliment, but she could not answer right away, because she could not tell the full truth. The Force was too important a subject to be shared lightly, even with Tai-Lin, her ally and friend.

There are contradictions in the new canon, but this ain’t one of them.

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#1368071
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Burbin said:

  • Kylo frees himself of the oppression of his Master Snoke, except now he just works for another evil mastermind.

I do feel compelled to point out that Kylo makes it abundantly clear that he’s just using Palpatine for his resources and will almost certainly betray him at the first available opportunity.

KYLO REN: Palpatine wants you dead.

REY: Serving another master?

KYLO REN: No. I have other plans.

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#1367729
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jarbear said:

Disney Star Wars canon can be described as Swiss cheese.

Ehhh. It’s been, save for production errors (editor notes not getting passed on corrrectly, etc), the changes to the the Siege of Mandalore Arc, and JJ not giving a shit re: Poe’s backstory, pretty consistent, IMO. Nothing on the scale of… say, Dark Empire 1 completely ignoring that Leia already had two children because Timothy Zahn wouldn’t let Dark Empire be set prior to the Thrawn Trilogy and thus it having to be moved after the Thrawn Trilogy last second, or Dawn of the Jedi prominently featuring Twi’Leks and Xabraks thousands of years before either species came into existence.

At there very least, there’s been much less need for post-facto patchup jobs, like the Essential Reader’s Companion acted as (bless Pablo Hidalgo, lol. Legends would have been infinitely less functional without his hand in it,) and it’s felt overall much more thematically consistent to me, but you’re entitled to your opinion. Legends continuity only looks clean if you read it on Wookiepedia or in one of the guides. I love it to death, but without the smooth-over jobs done by Pablo and co, it’s… well, it’s like swiss cheese.

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#1367019
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StarkillerAG said:

Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

I’m sure I (and potentially we, my memory is terrible) have had this discussion a dozen times before, but I don’t think ‘let go of the past’ is meant to be the real message of the movie. Luke is meant to be wrong at the beginning. Kylo is meant to be wrong.

I’ve always read the message of the movie as ‘the past is flawed, but there are things from it worth saving’.

The ‘laser sword’ thing never bugged me because Anakin called em’ that in Phantom Menace, and George Lucas would call them laser swords all the time in BTS featurettes for all sorts of stuff.

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#1367011
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natm said:

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

Yup. Even the original episode 9 script that was scrapped before jj came on had rey build her own double bladed saber out of her staff. I wish they had that for the actual episode 9

We know that her building the saber over the movie was part of JJ and Terrio’s original shooting script at some point, because the concept artists designed out the interior mechanics for that exact reason and outright said that it had been planned to be a recurring aspect.

Once again, an interesting concept sacrificed at the altar of JJ’s attention-deficit editing style, haha.

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#1367001
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Probably because we don’t have the script that actually features her to determine.

Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

I’m not gonna doubt it, but it seems weird to be so definitive when we don’t have the script, only secondhand reports.

As much as I absolutely despise linking to his website, we do have a credible (but disgusting) leaker’s notes on it:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

(my reluctance linking to it comes from the fact that the proprietor of Making Star Wars is an absolute creep who doesn’t deserve the clicks/traffic monetization money.

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#1366898
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

To address an idea from Dom’s thread: I will more than likely end up releasing the regular (Rey Palpatine) version before a Rey Nobody version. In case there’s some huge issue that gets glossed over, I’d rather just fix one than two!

That makes sense … things always come up.

I was thinking about things … well, mainly how Disney screwed the pooch with Star wars sequel trilogy, that the whole “Skywalker Family Saber” arc is quite silly-er. Especially with Rey being a palpatine, the scene in TFA makes even less sense … why would the saber call out to a palpatine?

Anyway, nothing to do with this edit specifically … just how … disconnected these movies are and add things that just don’t makes sense.

Sigh.

Because it’s an artifact with a lengthy history of being used by powerful force users and a living, force-sensitive crystal inside it, and that’s the sort of thing that calls out to force users, even ones with primarily latent talents, especially ones with an important destiny?

There are a bunch of valid complaints to make about the sequel trilogy, but this seems like a non-starter to me.