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#36406
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Okay, what did we LIKE about the Special Editions?
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Originally posted by: Bossk
If you'd read the threads, Luke30, you'd know that the 1997 SEs are the ones currently being announced for the September DVD release. But, as we all know happens with LFL, anything can change.


Luke30 will probably begin reading all the threads on the same day he starts writing posts that make sense.

So don't hold your breath.

- Trentobi
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#36405
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It's official! the 2004 OT DVD release will be the Special Editions :(
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Originally posted by: sweyland
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Do you think the rumored changes to the star wars trilogy is going to happen yes or no? Persionly I hope these changes don't happen.

When the TPM was originally announced for VHS home video, McCallum said Lucas was too busy to release Star Wars on DVD because he was too busy with the production of the PT, and that after Ep3 came out he would have something "really special" ready for the OT. September's SE release is not going to be it, it's just a stop gap. The "really special" edition AKA Archive Edition will probably be ready for 2007, SW 30th Anniversary.


And probably just in time to be released on HD-DVD... the storage capacity of which could allow for the original cuts, the Special Editions and the Archive Editions to be released on the same disc.

- Trentobi
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#36404
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Originally posted by: anaphalaxis
Well I look forward to seeing that Jim, but I have to disagree with you about the cgi Jabba in ANH, he is terrible! The rendering is bad, the animation is poor and the characterisation is off key in my opinion. I have to confess that some of the Mos Eisely stuff, particularly the stuff from a distance does add flavour and character to what is one of my favourite SW locations. Mos Eisely should be the bustling exotic location we see more of in episode II. And I too don't hate the dewbacks, they look alright, non offensive, as do some of the Mos Eisley creatures.
I'd like to see what they can do with Jabba in CGI in a few years time. Episode I is a vast vast improvement on SE ANH, but it still isn't *quite* there. If they had done him that well in the SE I wouldn't really have minded too much, at least he looks tangable.

But realistically this is an exciting time for CGI. Space scenes have been down for some time, now landscapes are totally indestinguishable at times (for example the window vista at the start of Pirates of the Carribean was CGI, I didn't notice even though I have the dvd), and cityscapes too can look very very realistic. But we need to remember that there isn't just this big thing called CGI and it is either good or bad depending on your oppinion. Some CGI is terrible, while some is really rather astounding. I want Lucas to make sure that he uses only the second kind, of which there is alot in the new films, and not the first kind, which there is still some of in Ep I and II.


CGI is littered through out most romantic comedies. Anytime you see a beautiful sunset it was most likely CG'ed. This type of thing is primarily indistinguishable from the real thing... the only real give away is that it's unlikely the filmmakers managed to photograph such a beautiful sunset. It doesn't pass the common sense test, but other than that it always looks good.


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Characterisation is often a problem, and it is really important to add film grain and lens refraction to CGI in order that it looks like it was filmed along with the rest of the scene.


That's the case in most of the Star Wars prequels. Off the top of my head, you see that type of thing during interior shots of the Jedi Temple (when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon discuss Anakin with the Council) and later on when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan discuss Anakin's chances of being accept by the Council and trained as a Jedi.

Besides, Episodes II and III were shot on high-def digital video, so there's no need to add film grain.

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JarJar sticks out like a sore thumb, as well as being totally cartoony. I loathe that creature.


Boo fucking hoo, Jar Jar is a kid's character, get over it.

- Trentobi
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#35256
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It's official! the 2004 OT DVD release will be the Special Editions :(
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Originally posted by: JangoxFett
Fyi.. Check this site about some changes will be happening with the SE Trilogy! BBspot


Quote "Mesa!! No Belive it TRUE!" Mesa Going to Meet Luke, Leia and Han!



For some this will be a "Nightmare"!!




They Quoted Jar Jar as "most popular character in star wars." What? Were they Reading?? I remember out of 100% of the overall fans 90% Hated Jar Jar. IMHO The Most Popular Character was Boba Fett and then Vader.

oh well.


I'd like you to know that your credibility with me is 100% shot and has no chance of ever being repaired.

- Trentobi
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#34539
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It's just marketing... wait a while.
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Agreed. And I think GLs belief in his artistic ideals (misguided as they may be) overpowers his marketing savy (ruthless as it may be at times).

I don't think GL is greedy, but at the same time he;s not above milking things.

This is bad comedy. The guy is president and founder of Lucasfilm (and it's various subsidiary/sister companies), THE founder of ILM, THE founder of Skywalker Sound, THE founder of THX, etc. Any royalty paychecks he gets from Star Wars are probably chump change compared to what he makes from his earnings in those companies.

- Trentobi
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#34537
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Originally posted by: HotRod
And, how can anyone who claims to love Star Wars not own the 1 & 2 on DVD?!!!!!!!!!!

And also, not want to own the SE on DVD.
I watched ANH this morning in bed, much to the annoyance of the girlfriend, to find that VHS is shit.
Bad quality, bad sound, bad all round really.
I couldn't give a flying fuck if the SE are the only versions to be released.
I just can't wait to have the DVD, just for the picture and sound alone!!!

You lot are mad I'm tellin' ya!!! MAD!!!!!!!!!



Even if I don't relate or understand, a lot of people don't like Episodes 1 and 2, thus not buying them on DVD is the smart choice for them to make.

Me, I can't wait for Sept. 21st to come around! SE or not, I'm going to geek out about this all day. Seriously, I'm going to skip work and everything to do this, woo hoo!

- Trentobi
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#34536
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Read these two articles please...
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Honestly if these changes were gone from the SE I'd have no complaints and I can't say with a 100% confidences I would of become so passionately involved with this cause.

-Greedo shooting first
-the jabba scene
-the censoring of the blast hits aboard the deathstar
-Vader's changed line in ESB
-the changing of the "you're lucky you don't taste very good" in ESB
-Luke's scream in cloud city

I agree about the Greedo/Jabba stuff... but the other things are pretty inconsequential. Nit pick much? I prefered Vader's original "bring my shuttle" line over the new one, but they both say pretty much the same thing... one is just more verbose than the other. Not a big deal.

- Trentobi
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#34419
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It's official! the 2004 OT DVD release will be the Special Editions :(
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Originally posted by: -LD
you people are missing the point...it's not stopping people from buying because most would tell you to piss off...the point is making a big enough stink so that Lucas and Foxget enough bad press that they have to respond


Lucas could give two sh!ts about the popular opinion of his fanbase. 20th Century Fox, on the other hand, is a company and like any company, they depend on sales to stay alive. If they see a chance at making more money (ie, releasing the Original Trilogy as a boxed set of some sort) and have paid attention to the amount of people who have signed the originaltrilogy.com petition, they'd be fools to not do everything in their power to bend Lucas to their will. And it's within their power to do, they've done so before. Fox just needs to be shown, told and (if necessary) FORCED to see the gold mine that the Original Trilogy is. People will buy it because it's Star Wars, we'll buy it because we're getting back the versions from when we were younger. Releasing the Original Trilogy can only be a good thing and Fox need to be educated on this. Forget about what Jim Ward says, he's a puppet who's just following his master's orders. He's not a real decision maker. I guarandamntee you that if Lucas decided to release the Original Trilogy tomorrow, Ward would be backpedaling on his previous "this is Lucas's true vision" statements so fast it would make all our heads spin.

- Trentobi
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#34418
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Trent and Jimbo, thanks for the 411.

Jimbo, I forgive your French. I don't know if I'm gonna buy them just yet as I'm still holding out hope on the killer UE in 2007. Then I'll have it all (which will hopefully include the OV-OT as well).


Well, if you don't like the prequels, I wouldn't recommend buying them. I mean, you're just setting yourself up for a disappointment, ya know? If you think you can give the prequels an honest, objective chance, then hey go for it. You can always sell them later to get some of your money back.

I'll make you a deal Kevin. If the Original Trilogy is ever released on DVD as a standalone set (not part of a larger set of five or more discs), I'll buy you a copy over Amazon or whatever and have them deliver it to you. Why? Because your petition is important and I feel that you will have had some influence over the outcome of the release. Not TOTAL influence, but it's tough to argue with 50,000+ signatures along with 20th Century Fox breathing down George's neck about this gold mine he's sitting on.

- Trentobi
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#34417
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It's just marketing... wait a while.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
I don't think there was ever a chance of Lucas releasing the SEs on DVD in 1997. That was the year that DVD was introduced and it was so new that many "big pictures" opted out of releases. Also, this was in the midst of the DVD vs. DivX war. Many people were waiting it out to see who would win. Finally, George was just getting back into the PT at the time. Why spend the time testing out a new technology that no one is 100% familiar with and give it a half-assed shot at best?


That's revisionism. DivX didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of taking off simply because John Q. Public would never approve of the format. Moreover, Lucas could've released movie-only versions of the films thus far on DVD (with maybe a trailer or two) in 2000 without ever lifting a finger and doing so would've done boffo business. Or hell, he could've released those same hypothetical versions in '98 and they would've singlehandedly established the DVD format and put the final kibosh in DivX... as if that latter format ever stood a chance. I know it might seem like it did, but I remember all that hype at the time and I remember thinking to myself "there's no way this format will ever take off simply because you never actually own anything."

- Trentobi
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#34416
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Read these two articles please...
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb

BUT in the Special Edition, Han can't shoot Greedo and then bump into Jabba later on without jerking out his blaster and popping some rounds. It wouldn't make dramatic sense to shoot first against Greedo so that he won't be taken to Jabba, but then gleefully converse with Jabba as if nothing happened later on.

Even if thats the case, the change doesn't solve this problem, which is yet another reason why the Jabba scene should of remained on the cutting room floor (or Avid delete bin).


I agree. I'm not defending the Greedo shooting first thing at all. I'm just saying that reinstating the scene with Jabba necessitated a tweak in the Greedo scene. Realistically you're absolutely right completely, the Han/Greedo scene should've been left unchanged and the scene with Jabba left in the trash can... especially since Han speaks some of the exact same dialog to Jabba that he had just spoken to Greedo with the same phrasing and emphasised words ("Even I get boarded sometimes. You think I had a choice?!"). The fact that the CGI Jabba looked like crap only strengthens our case. Plus it doesn't really add anything to the story. Han walks into the scene owing Jabba money and afraid for his life, while Jabba walks in expecting a pay off soon. Han walks out of the scene owing Jabba money and afraid for his life., while Jabba walks out expecting a pay off soon. Nothing changes, nothing happens, it's just bad bad bad bad bad bad bad and should've been left out. These two scenes are my only gripes with ANH.

- Trentobi
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#34246
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Read these two articles please...
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I like the new ending to Jedi, however i agree the luke scream is awful.

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The problem with the confrontation scene (number 1) is obviously the way Han Solo jerks his head Abruptly and not so much that Greedo shot first. "


But more distressing is that it deflates Hans character Arc. The whole point is he is suppose to seem like a guy who cannot be trusted when we first meet him, a shoot first ask questions later kind of guy. We hear him guarntee to Luke and Ben that he can get them past the empire, then a moment later discover he dumps his cargo at the first sign of imperial cruisers. By having Greedo shoot first, it makes Han less of an anti-hero, and also makes absolutely no sense, given that we see Han drawing his pistol under the table (if he was not going to shoot, then why?). And of course there is the most obvious problem that it makes no sense that Greedo would miss from that distance. I could see if they had added in Han kicking the table which would hit Greedo and make him miss. But they didn't. He just missed from point blank range.


I was thinking about this earlier and I think I figured out why Lucas changed the Han/Greedo scene. I think Lucas made up his mind early on that he wanted to reinsert the Jabba scene into the film. Doing so means that the Han/Greedo encounter had to change. Greedo was threatening to bring Han to Jabba to collect the bounty on his head. That was a BIG threat, so Han shot Greedo to escape. That all works fine in the Original Trilogy.

BUT in the Special Edition, Han can't shoot Greedo and then bump into Jabba later on without jerking out his blaster and popping some rounds. It wouldn't make dramatic sense to shoot first against Greedo so that he won't be taken to Jabba, but then gleefully converse with Jabba as if nothing happened later on.

Or maybe I'm overanalyzing. Even if I'm wrong, Greedo shooting first doesn't work and neither does the Han/Jabba scene.

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: Bossk
With The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones it was new scenes.
People keep talking about these new scenes. I have yet to see either on DVD. What are the new scenes?



The AOTC DVD basically features an extension to Anakin's confession to Padmé. It supposedly helps sell her forgiveness of him. Personally, while I love Lucas to death, there is no denying that the love story in AOTC just doesn't really work very well. It had to pretty much wrap itself up completely by the end of the film and I understand that, but still...

Anyway, so yeah. As far as I can tell, the other "additions" to AOTC aren't actually additions at all, but were present during digital screenings of the film, but absent from film projected screenings simply because Lucas had time to add in those changes. In the digital version of AOTC (and of course the DVD), Jango's jet packs malfunctions and that's why Mace so easily killed him; Fett was relying on his jet pack to save him, but when it died... well, so did Jango. Moving on, at the end of the wedding ceremony, Padmé grabs Anakin's left hand (his real one) with her right hand and then his mechanical right hand with her left hand. In the film version, she only grabbed his left hand.

Those are all the changes as best I can remember them.

- Trentobi
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#34244
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It's just marketing... wait a while.
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Originally posted by: Luke30
Jay I agree with what you said in this topic. I will buy the star wars trilogy when it comes out in on september 21st on dvd. I think that some people are making a big thing about george lucas not release the original cuts. That's just my opion. I like the special edtion because it sound better than the originals.


If anybody else had written this, I probably would've skipped past it. However, it was Luke30 (who must've been a parrot in another life) and he was surprisingly opinionated in this post, much moreso than you see in his other intelligence-draining brain numbathons.

As for Lucas being greedy, I really wish you people would wake up and smell the coffee. If Lucas (spelled with a 'C', not 'K') was simply out for the money, he would've released the SE trilogy on DVD and VHS in '97, TPM on DVD in '99, the SE trilogy again on DVD and VHS in 2000, possibly the originals in '01 on VHS and DVD, an "updated" version of the SE trilogy and the Ultimate Editions in '06. After that he could release a mega boxed set that combines everything that's ever been released before. I'm sure there are many other ways he could gouge as much money as possible from the fans.

But since he hasn't done any of that, I have to conclude that Lucas is simply doing what he wants to do and anybody who doesn't like that can go to hell, in his opinion.

If we keep waging our battle, we will eventually get the Original Trilogy on DVD. 20th Century Fox isn't run by idiots, they can picture the cash register cha-chinging. Despite what some of you may think, there's a big market for the Original Trilogy. The marketing campaign could be something like "Star Wars, the way you remember it!" or something. Fox is a business and like any business, they want to deliver products people will pay money for. And if they have to sweet-talk Lucas into agreeing to it, then they will. Because they have before.

- Trentobi
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#33620
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Do you know what I think may happen...

Once all the films are released on DVD, we will get a super box set like the Alien box set. The Archival Edition.....Right!!!!
I know we are all going on about the SE sucking(not me though..I don't mind them), but I thin Mr Lucas might just do what they did with Alien.
Come 2007 or whatever, we will gat either a 14 disc box set. With the super special editions of all 6 movies. All the shit with extra footage etc, and also the Thearical relaese.
Now, depending on the thechnoloy in 2006-7 it will be a 14 disc set or, if they can fit 2 movies on 1 disc, a 8 or 9 disc set.
I'm telling ya all, thats whats gonna happen.
It will be the biggest and best box set in history.
The way the films were origainally, and the way the films he wants now, all in one beautiful set.

This will be Star Wars for everybody.

Just to keep everybody happy..

Just wait and see....

You will finally get the OT on DVD.

14 discs? Ha! Need I remind you that high definition (with much improved storage capacities over standard DVD) is just around the corner? With that type of technology at his disposal, it might very well be possible to include The Original Theatrical Cut, the '97 Special Edition cuts and the oft-rumored Archive Editions all on a single platter. The resolution may or may not be as great as high definition is capable of... but these are old films, I doubt high definition would significantly improve the way they look. It might be possible to include all three cuts of each film on a single disc along with a commentary. If not... well, speaking only for myself, I care most about getting The Original Theatrical Cuts and the Archive Editions... I don't need to see the Special Editions preserved, but it IS paramount to preserve The Original Theatrical Cuts and the Archive Editions, in my opinion.

- Trentobi
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#33557
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I don't mean to be rude, but if you came up to me at a store and told me not to buy something, I'd probably tell you to go stick it somewhere. Coming at people like that is confrontational and it is a normal instinctive human response to treat such an approach as hostile and will most likely get you kicked out of the store, because if I was a manager, you would be interfering with my business. Doing something like you are proposing will get you hauled off by the cops.


Yes, exactly that. Plus if someone approached me in a store and told me not to buy something, I'd tell them to stick it and buy the thing just to piss them off.

People, we've lost a BATTLE, not the war. If and when this petition passes 100,000 signatures (which isn't as impossible as it may seem), then perhaps printed copies of the petition should be sent to key-people inside Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox. And hell, sending a copy to Dreamworks SKG (on the off chance Speilberg might actually get it and take our side in the matter) might be worth it too. Signing the petition is as good as saying "I'd buy the Original Trilogy on DVD if it was ever released". If any movie studio had a guarantee of selling 100,000 copies of a set, they'd be a lot more likely to produce it. Even more likely the higher the number climbs.

We can't change his mind, but Lucas has caved in to pressure from 20th Century Fox numerous times before (he did so with the Special Editions), so why wouldn't he now? IMHO, we need to be focusing our efforts on them the most.

- Trentobi
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#33556
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George Lucas' explanation why the OT is obsolete to him
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I think there are a lot of factors. I think because his wife edited some of them, because he fought with Gary Kurtz a lot (and he contributed a lot to the success of ANH and especially ESB), because did not direct two of them, because he didn;'t have enough money to do everything the way he likes, because the studio made him change things in ANH, and because they were very hard to make.


Many people regard A New Hope as one of the classic SW films. Lucas wrote and directed that. Also, 20th Century Fox didn't have a whole lot of influence in the production. One reason for that is because Lucas made the film outside of Hollywood, so the studio could adopt an "out of sight, out of mind" approach regarding the film. Also, Lucas's biggest ally was Alan Ladd, jr, who could go to bat for Lucas anytime the production was threatened. Basically, Lucas made ANH more or less the way he wanted to (except for the effects and scale of everything). The studio were a bunch of jerks to him, but they didn't screw up the film as much as they could've.

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When you read old drafts of SW, they are a lot more like the PT then the OT in style and content. I think GL is very bitter aboput having to comprimise things and is so caught up in this that he's blinded himself to the fact that sometimes comprimising due to budgets and technological limitations actually lead you to a better end product. Nessesity is the mother of invention and artist thrive on oppressive limitations, on adversity. I think GL is so caught up what he couldn't do, that he's missed completely what he did do, which was create three classic films.


You're wrong. Lucas wrote all the drafts of ANH and was satisfied enough with the shooting draft to actually shoot it. If there are stylistic differences between all the drafts (and I know there are), it's because Lucas changed revised the story and it's tone with each additional draft. The tone of the drafts weren't different because of technological constraints.

Lucas wrote a scene in one of the original drafts depicting Anakin disappearing into a broom closet with some girl and when he came out, he was straightening his shirt, tucking it in, etc. I haven't seen that in the prequels yet!!

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I totally agree. I love the idea of the SE, and even though I don;t like some of the changes, I do love some of the others. I just want the original version as well. Personally I'm stoked about hte ultimates, I think they will match better with the PT when the whole thing is done. But to me there will be the 6 part saga with the PT and UE, and then there will be the starwars trilogy, which contains niether prequels or SE material, and is its own three part story.


Agreed completely... but again, WE FANS DESERVE ALL OF THE VERSIONS!!

- Trentobi
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Info Wanted: i'm a newbie, with a question - I won an ebay auction for the 1995 VHS...
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Originally posted by: nrg_2000
well..mine one has got full shot of obi wan, luke and darth on each covers and at the bottom part has got a widescreen picture shot. so GL claims this original WS do not exist anymore? how could that be? i saw in the interview in SEs, he said the old film stocks are ruined or something?
This is nothing but a fable! Some people representing Lucasfilm (including Lucas himself, if I'm not terribly mistaken) have stated that the original theatrical versions of the Trilogy are "gone", "no longer exist" or some other line of crap. It's not true. Rick McCallum said in the SE featurettes (from the '97 or '98 versions) that "George didn't like some of the shots, blah blah blah... so we've REDONE those... we have DIGITALLY RECOMBINED THOSE SHOTS, blah blah blah." McCallum's sentiments are completely consistent with digital remastering the trilogy, since you'd (obviously) have to digitize the original negatives and footage before you could set about cleaning up the prints, recombining special effects and so forth.

So not only do the original versions still exist, but they're digitized now, they're no longer subject to the ravages of age & time, look better than they ever have and, in short, aren't going anywhere. (unfortunately, "anywhere" probably includes all of our grubby hands)

I speculate that after the Trilogy was digitally remastered (and possibly after the FX footage was digitally recombined), these remastered films served as the basis for the THX-certified 'Faces' rerelease from the early 90's ("final time the Trilogy will be issued in it's unaltered form").

Hope this helps!

Incidentally, I do not have access to the 'Faces' trilogy or the original VHS releases from the 1980's. If one (or some) of you wouldn't mind comparing effects shots (matte lines, etc) between the two versions to either confirm or deny my suspicions, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
we need to kill lucas so he never gets his hands on any other movies


Get a grip.

On a different note, some other ramrod suggested that we Star Wars fans mobilize at Best Buys, Wal-Marts and other retail outlets selling the trilogy set and "encourage" others not to buy them (ignoring the logistics in "covering" a single large metropolitan city such as New York, LA, Houston, etc). Let me know if the cops treated you well after you get out of jail.

- Trentobi
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#32808
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
Note how these DVDs are NOT referred to as "Special Editions"

As far as Lucasfilm is concerned, these ARE STAR WARS, not "Special Edition" versions of the films. They are THE films, there ARE NO OTHER versions. Original editions DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT exist anymore.


If you mean "the original versions don't exist anymore as far as Lucasfilm is concerned", you're probably right.

If you mean "the original versions no longer exist in the physical realm we call 'Earth'", you're wrong, I repeat YOU ARE WRONG.

- Trentobi
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role of C3PO in new Ep I & II
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
You asked what how I would have written it and I told you in basic terms, we were only talking about the test of Anakin's Jedi ability. Where were Anakin's character motivations and where is the imagination in a blood test or a souped-up version of the Zener ESP card test? I haven't written a movie script based on the idea, its just an idea and one that I feel is superior to what was in the film, but hey, its just my opinion. I could go into it more and talk about the character motivations, but obviously, you do not want to have that discussion. I know you don't like me, but dismiss the idea on its merit and not because you have a personal distaste for me because I am disagreeing with you I wish you would put as much thought into analyzing the quality of the prequel films as you do into savaging my idea on the sole basis of trying to insult me.


You're right. Just because I think your ideas suck is no reason to be rude. I apologize.

Let's talk about character motivations. Give me yours. I like what Lucas has done, so we can skip that.

Following is what I hope is a bit more articulate breakdown of the circumstances surrounding the training of the Skywalkers.

Anakin- traditionally, he was too old for the Jedi Council to train him... but he was trained anyway because the Council knew that Qui-Gon (and later Obi-Wan) believed that Anakin was the Chosen One and would train him, Anakin, with or without the Council's approval. So by giving their approval, they were also steering the ship, the logic being that Anakin's training couldn't possibly go wrong with experts like Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan guiding him. (As a side note, I think the Council might've been okay if they'd simply rejected Anakin from the start and stuck to it, even though that obviously pissed him off. They might also have been okay if they'd simply agreed to train him right from the start. But rejecting him and then changing their minds later resulted in pissing off the one guy who would later be capable of taking them all down.)

Luke- traditionally, he was also too old for the Jedi Council to train him... problem being that there was no more Jedi Council, no Republic and no more Jedi except for Obi-Wan and (later just) Yoda, it felt wise to train Luke so he would topple Palpatine and Vader (who had taken over the entire damn government) and restore freedom to the galaxy and re-establish the Jedi Order.

Different circumstances led to those two being trained... both of whom were trained under non-traditional terms.

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oh, I'm still waiting for those groaner lines from ANH and ESB.



I've watched most of ANH, focusing on dialog. The quotes will be ready... eventually.

- Trentobi
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#32803
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How should the sound for the original trilogy on dvd should be master
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
4.1 is Left, Centre, Right, Monaural surround and subwoofer; essentially the same setup as Dolby Surround, but not matrixed. The original 6-track configuration for the 50s and 60s was Left, Centre Left, Centre, Centre Right, Right, and Monaural surround, with no subwoofer track; this was modified in the late 70s and early 80s to the first configuration described, with the Centre Left and Centre Right channels becoming "baby booms" or subwoofer tracks.
The changes attributed to the 70mm mix have something to do with different sound effects and music cues. I don't have the specifics, but they are buried in one of the older threads in either this forum or the General Star Wars Discussion forum. To access them, you'd have to customise the forum. Hope this helps.


Thanks a lot. I'm already better off than I was. I'll do some searching around. Thanks again.

- Trentobi
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#32774
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
I select answer #2, case closed. Lucas likes kids and as such feels the need to dumb things down.


If you can't see the difference between Anakin being trained as a Jedi during the hey-day of the Republic to be just-another-Jedi and Luke being trained during the galaxy's darkest hour for the sole purpose of fighting Vader and the Emperor, you're a complete idiot and this conversation is over.

All I can do is thank God you're not writing the new Star Wars scripts. Your idea was a fanboy cliché showing absolutely no imagination and zero character motivation.

- Trentobi