nl0428

Hal 9000 said:

Does anyone happen to have the '77, '80, and '83 sets of opening logos in good 1080p quality? (I believe ESB and ROTJ were identical.)

I wonder if it might just be better to use the original opening logos for this Custom SE, even if they are meant to stand alongside the OOT. I think I’d prefer for a ‘desert island’ version of the saga to be that way, with each trilogy having its own flavor of opening.

I’ll carefully see if there’s anything that would make ANH end up being worth revising again, whether things from the new 19SE or anything else. However, if there really just isn’t, I won’t reissue it just for the logo change and will leave ESB and ROTJ with the SE logos also.

If you wanted a version that keeps the old Lucasfilm and Fox logos, you could use the Despecialized Editions. Although, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Harmy has put out a 1080p version of the trilogy yet.

Hal 9000 said:

For example, I don’t want to add the 20th Century Fox logo or fanfare to TFA or TLJ; it would feel improper.

That makes sense considering that the new films are not distributed by Fox. Any fan editor who adds in the 20th Century Fox logo for their edits of either The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker, or even Rogue One or Solo, has a very heavy amount of nostalgia of seeing/hearing the fanfare along with the Lucasfilm opening. And we all know why Disney doesn’t put their opening before the Lucasfilm logo, for the same reason they don’t do it for Marvel movies. It would be jarring and feel out of place.

All I’m saying is that I like some company logo updates for older films, as I kinda feel it helps it feel modernized, as opposed to 4K remasters where studios have an obsession of adding teal to their older back catalog. I liked what Adywan did for his Revisited edits in that regard.

Have you ever thought about updating the 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm openings, or at the very least, updating the fanfare? One of the things that has bothered me about the Special Editions is that they updated the company logos (at the time in 1997) but kept the same old fanfare which is incredibly off putting when synced with the revised opening.

I gotta say, I am bummed that they didn’t put the Clone Wars episodes in the correct chronological order on Disney+.

Hal 9000 said:

No; I’m really not up to something like that and depend on the coloring abilities of others around here for the most part.

Agreed. I’m good sticking with 1080p Blu-rays too.

Even though us fan editors will most likely never do this, but would you consider color correcting the 4K versions on Disney+ for an edit like this?

I have a possible suggestion to make in terms of line re-dubbing. There are voice cloning programs out there (that I’ve been very unsuccessful and downloading due to software requirements) that might do the trick, despite the voice cloning results may sound more robotic and not as natural in the tone of voice.

I tried testing something by curiosity earlier.

I tried using a program to record content from Disney+ on my computer screen to test and see what the results were. The result was a plain black screen with no sound. Tried doing the same with Netflix content to see if this was only with Disney+. The same thing happened with Netflix. Smart that they thought ahead on this.

TavorX said:

Some movie “guru” guy from Collider Video. Personally found him annoying. Pretty much all the Collider Video people seem likely Disney apologists. It’s not exactly a personal ding against them, as who wouldn’t talk exceedingly positive about pretty much anything Disney does and get paid for it. Just means it’s not a group of people I’d like to have dialogue with or listen to their take on anything Star Wars related.

Not to get off topic, but I recently stopped following Collider’s content after Kristian Harloff left. Didn’t like the changes that were happening over there.

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

John Campea stood correct on that The Mandalorian would be the most pirated show of all time. Just think about how fans in other countries outside the U.S. feel about this considering that Disney+ is exclusive in America.

Don’t know who that is, but I think pretty much anyone could have predicted that.

This is John Campea. A very active film pundit in the movie community online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbGblO4JcCY

John Campea stood correct on that The Mandalorian would be the most pirated show of all time. Just think about how fans in other countries outside the U.S. feel about this considering that Disney+ is exclusive in America.

This might be off topic, but exactly how do you download a movie or show from Disney+? I got it on launch day and I’m still trying to figure out how to download a movie or show to my PC.

The problem that I have with the Disney+ color remasters is that the teal is slightly noticeable, the picture looks a bit too dark, and the colors are desaturated in some places. Most evidently with Tatooine’s sand in A New Hope.

This part from Oliver Harper’s review of the 4K UHD Blu-ray of Batman (1989) is a perfect explanation of 4K HDR Blu-ray remasters.

https://youtu.be/zkgLzxiaUA4?t=644

I don’t know about anyone here, but I feel like the colors in the 4K Disney+ versions of the Original Trilogy do look a bit similar to the Despecialized Editions in color grading. The only difference I can see is that the Disney+ versions are a slight bit darker than Harmy’s versions.

44rh1n said:

I’ve hated the alteration of colors for various other 4K HDR versions, though. I guess it just depends on the film for me.

Batman (1989) and Terminator 2 have some of the most damaging 4K remasters I’ve seen.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

Preaching to the choir. You asked why, and he told you what the revisionist colorists are motivated by.

I know. I’m just saying that if this continues to happen with more classics, I’ll gladly avoid 4K releases and stick with regular Blu-rays.

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

Make them look like modern films.

It really doesn’t, it just ruins the original look of the film and almost looks like it’s done by someone to try to modernize something by its look, when you don’t need to do something as unnecessary as that, as these classics will remain timeless and continue to stand the test of time by their quality.

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

Here’s what I don’t understand. If the added Greedo line was to be introduced in the cancelled 3D release, and George Lucas had made the change in say, 2012, then how come this is our first time seeing the change when it could’ve made its debut with the 2015 limited edition steelbook Blu-rays that Disney put out to promote The Force Awakens?

Hal 9000 said:

I know I have. 😕

It’s okay, I have too. But at the same time, I think we’ve developed even more respect for him by understanding how he feels.

“A movie is never finished, only abandoned”

George Lucas, 1997

ChainsawAsh said:

nl0428 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Yep, all the differences are being discussed over in the General subforum.

General consensus seems to be that the Disney+ versions are the 2012 Reliance 4K scans that Lucas was preparing for the 3D releases that got scrapped, and according to Pablo Hidalgo, that Greedo scene change was the last alteration George made to the film(s) before he sold LFL to Disney.

So, it would’ve been one last change that would be introduced in the cancelled 3D release, despite not being in the 2011 Blu-ray?

Yep. I personally would speculate that Lucas was initially attempting to update the 2004 master for 3D and found it lacking when converted (maybe he finally noticed the horrid color work), so he just dumped what they’d already finished on the BR release and then had new 4K scans done with the intention of using those for the 3D release, all changes he’d already made that ended up on the 2011 release included. And then he just couldn’t resist one last tweak on top of that…

But then 3D re-releases turned out to not be terribly successful and he sold the company, so his new 2012 masters were shelved.

To be honest, as fan editors, I feel like we’ve sort of turned into George Lucas with not being satisfied with changes and edits we make.

The color grading of the Original Trilogy in 4K on Disney+ does look far superior to the DVD and Blu-ray versions, but it’s still not perfect to me. The lightsabers looks much better, especially when Luke is training with the remote on the Falcon. However, I have been very vocal about how much I hate this dreadful teal effect being applied to 4K remasters of older films, and it does stand out on the Disney+ versions. Revenge of the Sith and The Force Awakens seemed to have suffered the least in 4K remasters. I have not checked out Rogue One on Disney+ yet.

This also might just be me, but it seems like the music was mixed louder than the voices in Anakin and Obi-Wan’s duel in Revenge of the Sith.

ChainsawAsh said:

Yep, all the differences are being discussed over in the General subforum.

General consensus seems to be that the Disney+ versions are the 2012 Reliance 4K scans that Lucas was preparing for the 3D releases that got scrapped, and according to Pablo Hidalgo, that Greedo scene change was the last alteration George made to the film(s) before he sold LFL to Disney.

So, it would’ve been one last change that would be introduced in the cancelled 3D release, despite not being in the 2011 Blu-ray?