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#1386827
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Doctor M said:

Doh. Yes you did. And it’s not like mixing up the castles.

You’re sure that 1997 is when they did that restoration? That stinks.

Then the best untouched answer is a pan and scan laserdisc? I don’t know how I feel about that.

It also makes the 2008 DVD the best digital alternative.

Eek.

No problem. Here’s a review of the 97 CAV Laserdisc set:

https://animatedviews.com/2002/laserdisc-archives-sleeping-beauty-deluxe-edition/

“A look at The Restoration Of Sleeping Beauty follows, and this has to be seen to be believed. Every one of the 10,800,320 frames of the film were individually scanned into the computers at Disney, after which each character was rotoscoped and removed from the scene. The background “dust busters” would then go to work, removing cell dirt, scuff and film scratches from the images.”

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#1385868
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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Doctor M said:

nesboy43 said:

I wanted to say thank you for this thread, it is incredibly helpful!

For the first post. Sleeping Beauty’s 1997 Laserdisc is the digitally restored one with rotoscoping. The feature about rotoscoping all the characters out, is a feature on that laserdisc.

So the aggressive restoration it mentioned is from 1997, not 2003. Only the pre 97 versions would be purist, although they are Pan and Scan.

Did you read the first post?
“Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937): First ‘fully restored’ by Lowry in 1994. This is also when the Masterpiece VHS and laserdiscs came out. As far as I am aware there is no home video format that has not been reanimated.”
The recommendation is for the least altered version available.
There is no purist recommendation.

Have read the first post a lot and it has been an amazing resource for me, so thank you for all the information.

Not sure if you misread my post or not, I was talking about Sleeping Beauty, not Snow White.

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#1384676
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Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features
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I wanted to say thank you for this thread, it is incredibly helpful!

For the first post. Sleeping Beauty’s 1997 Laserdisc is the digitally restored one with rotoscoping. The feature about rotoscoping all the characters out, is a feature on that laserdisc.

So the aggressive restoration it mentioned is from 1997, not 2003. Only the pre 97 versions would be purist, although they are Pan and Scan.

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#1376768
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Laser Disc theatrical editions - which one should I buy?
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I have to say that I actually much prefer the way the 93 sound mix is. The special effect sounds and music are very loud (which I love). For this reason I like the definitive collection.

The definitive is a bit too red and blurry (mainly for the first film), but still looks good.

I also enjoy the Fox Special Widescreen Editions. Those have more natural colors and are sharper.

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#1376509
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What is your main way of watching the Original Trilogy?
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I grew up with the original CBS VHS tapes, Faces THX Tapes, and Special Edition 1997 VHS Tapes.

I used to strictly watch despecialized since it came out. (Purchased official Steelbook Blurays to use as cases for despecialized).

A few years ago I got a laserdisc player and collection for cheap, which contained the Fox “Special Widescreen Edition” (theatrical versions) Technidisc set of the trilogy from 1992. Official releases of the Original Trilogy are now my go to.

I have a 120" Projection Screen with a home theater projector as well as a CRT.

I’d rather zoom in on the letterbox official releases, blown up on the big screen than use fan products these days, not sure why, but it’s more fun for me this way.

I like my VHS’ and Laserdiscs, analog home video is fun, even in the digital age, and the audio still rocks.

I recently ordered the GOUT 2006 DVD set and look forward to having a DVD version of the original films if my LD player ever breaks.

Like video gaming, you can have emulators that make games look artificial, crystal clear, and smooth, but I like the experience of reliving how I originally enjoyed things.

Having never seen the original Star Wars Trilogy in movie theaters, standard def home video was how I grew up with it. While I appreciate the fan restorations, they don’t have the “magic” for me.

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#943371
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Info Wanted: Question regarding 'Jurassic Park 3D'... (and info)
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I would love to see the open matte version it sounds very interesting. Personally I just got the 3D Bluray of Jurassic Park and have to say I was blown away by the 3D conversion they did in the film. It looks amazing. I also prefer the colors of this to the 2D Bluray I had beforehand. My only issue is that some of the scenes seemed too dark, although it might be my calibration settings.

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#939108
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The Original Trilogy restored from 35mm prints (a WIP)
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Looks great. I love that this last year we have seen 35mm projects. While the Despecialized Editions are very impressive I am in the purist camp that wants the films unmodified as they were presented. Despecialized will always be a well made remix any way I see it. Between the Grindhouse projects and now this it is very impressive to see what could be coming up in the future.

My opinion on the title is this “Star Wars Theatrical Version, Empire Strikes Back Theatrical Version, etc”. It gets across the point that it is the original versions and that it is from a film print. It’s also simple. Too many projects have strange names IMO, which to an outsider or someone browsing torrents looks confusing.

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#939037
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"Lucasfilm currently has no plans to release the original versions of Star Wars"
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Disneyland released some new Star Wars Merchandise, one of the shirts has the famous end scene with the ghosts from Return of the Jedi. Unfortunately it’s Hayden Anakin though, not Sebastian Shaw. This just reinforces in my mind that Disney will go by the Special Editions as cannon. It’s a shame since Sebastian Shaw gave such a great performance yet the ghost of him is a different actor.

Pictures here:

http://micechat.com/125100-star-wars-land-may-the-4th-be-with-you/

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#921313
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The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
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That_OT_Ruler said:

All really great ideas! nesboy, I’m curious then what role will Maz even play in the film? They go to meet her, but then we barely see her? I’m interested as to how that will be played out.

Thank you! As for her role, in the film they go to ask her for help delivering BB-8 and she refuses and tells Han to stop running from “the fight” and return to Leia (implies that he should go to the Resistance). I still intend to have this dialogue in the film as well as it doesn’t distract from the film or slow the pacing down. I need to rewatch the film to 100% determine what is staying and going, but the scene where she shows/gives the lightsaber to Finn will definitely stay for continuity reasons.

Finn will talk about how The First Order can destroy them all and are unstoppable, Maz will tell him who can take him to the outer rim. Maz putting on goggles and crawling on a table will be entirely cut out. I am iffy on the monologue Finn has to Rey (really corny IMO) as well “So I ran, right into you, and you laid eyes on me like no one had before” and intend on cutting that down. I will have to play around with it and see how things flow, but I’m not entirely decided on how to implement the side story of Finn leaving, but I do like that his character does try to leave instead of just straight-cut turning into a good guy.

Lord Haseo said:

nesboy43 said:

  1. Rey will have the lightsaber flashback and will run out of the tavern immediately afterwards (no Maz pointlessly explaining to the audience that the lightsaber was calling to her)

I’m sorry but I’m stealing this idea. If I do post it for the public I’ll give you credit though

honestly I think TFA has a very good soundtrack, it was just drowned out

Agreed. Especially when it comes to Snoke’s Theme.

No apology needed. I’m glad that you like it enough to want to use that idea.

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#921309
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What didn't you like about TFA? <em>SPOILERS</em>
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SilverWook said:

Again, how much did we know about the Empire or the Rebellion going into the original film?

Rey is frightened and scared. Maz is trying to reassure her and set her on the right path.

Maz looked pretty darn good in 70mm.

You definitely don’t get much information about the background of the Empire or Rebellion in the original Star Wars. However, we have three films that follow the Rebellion and the Empire (and its eventual demise). For them to almost ignore the ending of Return of the Jedi seems a bit jarring IMO.

Think about the original trilogy though. When Luke enters the cave in Empire Strikes Back and has that terrifying vision we are left to imagine things instead of having Yoda explain what just happened. I am no film critic, but I always believed in the concept of less being more in most situations (which Kasdan seems to have forgotten). Why did Maz have to say the Lightsaber was calling to her, when the audience literally heard it calling to her earlier? Do the writers think the audience is dumb and needs to be told what they just saw a few minutes beforehand? Why does Finn have to be told a lightsaber is a weapon?

It’s not that I am an opponent of Maz’s character design or anything, it’s just that all her dialogue and interactions in the movie do not add anything to the plot and just retell you things you saw earlier.

As for the CG, maybe it was just the theaters I saw it in, but it really did seem to stand out to me. Furthermore, for all the publicity the film received about practical effects, it’s interesting to have two important characters (Maz/Snoke) as CG.

joefavs said:

nesboy43 said:

Heck, it could have even been in the title crawl.

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.

With the support of the REPUBLIC, General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE. She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy.

Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….

Yes, I should have clarified this. I do remember that First Order line being in there, but it does not give you background on them. For the most part I usually agree that less is more, but this is one case where I feel there is not enough background for anyone to get an inkling of what the First Order actually is or how they came to be.

Are they ex Imperial workers gone rogue? Did the diminished Empire continue but rebrand itself after the events of Return of the Jedi? Are they imposters trying to be what the Empire once was? How do they have so much money and resources? What became of the Rebellion? Is it the Resistance? Did the Rebellion never further progress? All of these questions are a mystery.

Please keep in mind I am not trying to rag on the entire movie here. I loved the film and saw it 4 times and theaters and am anxiously awaiting the home video release. I just feel that minor changes to the movie could have made it so much better.

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#921286
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The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
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Smithers said:

That actually sounds pretty good! I’ll probably check this out

Thanks! I am not sure what Myspleen’s policy on Fan Edits for TFA is going to be due to the legality of it all and how recent the film is. Hopefully though we will have an easy way to share these things.

TV’s Frink said:

Excellent idea.

Lord Haseo said:

He even included links. How thoughtful.

Thanks for the laughs! I accidentally hit the post button without realizing apparently. I hope you enjoyed your lesson in markdown syntax.

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#921285
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Idea and Fan Edit Request: The Force Awakens - an extended cut
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It really is too bad how much material is being left off of this release. I am sure most of it has to do with missing VFX (probably quite a few green screen shots), as well as usually withholding. That being said, it would have been amazing to have the supposed scene where Leia is talking to the Republic about the First Order. This could add some information that was very lacking in the original cut.

Furthermore, there is the Constable Zuvio character who had his own toy yet is only a background character in the film. There is obviously a lot of things that we will see in the future. I understand they would want to hold some stuff back, but 6 deleted scenes that are all under a minute long is really disappointing in my opinion.

My guess is they will one day release the three trilogies for sale as well as a complete saga pack that has a bunch of bonus features as an added disc.

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#921282
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Info: Bad news for anybody wanting to use the deleted scenes in a TFA fanedit or extended edition
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What would be the best way to “cover it up” so to speak? Would something like adding some fog towards the top half of the picture be viable? How about a big lens flare, in JJ Abrams fashion? Most likely though the best bet will be to either leave it in or crop it. At the very least you can add a solid black box over it, so you don’t have to view the numbers changing.

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#921280
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What didn't you like about TFA? <em>SPOILERS</em>
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One glaring issue is the lack of explanation of what the First Order or the Republic is in the film. The audience can’t grow any attachment to the Republic as they don’t understand what it is. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t like some long drawn out speech about what the First Order is or how it come to be. I just would have liked some sort of explanation. Heck, it could have even been in the title crawl.

Maz Kanata. She is probably my only major issue with the film. She doesn’t actually add anything new to the story so I am unsure about her appearance in the first place. It’s bad story telling in my opinion when you have a character explicitly tell you everything that is already implied.

Why does Maz have to tell Rey the lightsaber is calling to her when it is glaringly obvious from before? Why does she have to tell Finn that a lightsaber is a weapon when he has already seen one being used before? Why does she have to explain what the force is when Han already did so 5 minutes earlier in the film?

Furthermore, it ruins the pacing to the movie, she is a character that is given all this time and dialogue, yet is nonessential to the plot in any way.

I just don’t understand why she is a part of the movie to be honest.

Also, don’t get me started on how much the CG stands out for her character when even the random background characters in the film are full practical creatures. This applies to Snoke as well.

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#921276
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The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
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This is going to be my personal edit of the film. It is mostly pretty minor changes but it will make the film flow better in my opinion:

-Remove 90% of Maz’s Scenes (pointless exposition)

  1. None of her explaining what the force is, how she’s seen many eyes, etc. What she says is nonessential to the plot in my opinion
  2. Rey will have the lightsaber flashback and will run out of the tavern immediately afterwards (no Maz pointlessly explaining to the audience that the lightsaber was calling to her)
  3. Remove Maz telling Finn that a lightsaber is a weapon (he already knows this as he has seen Kylo use one, so it doesn’t make sense)

-Remove some Starkiller base items

  1. Reduce the First Order Motivational Speech
  2. Remove Starkiller base firing scene and the reactions (no ties to these characters whatsoever and the planet they are firing on isn’t explained either)

In addition here are some dream edits I would like to make but do not possess the skills or sources to do so at the moment:

-Change the sound mix to be more like the other 6 films, where the music is quite a bit louder than it is in The Force Awakens (honestly I think TFA has a very good soundtrack, it was just drowned out). This would of course require possession of multitracks to do right or very significant processing to try and extract certain elements out.

-Change the color correction of the film to be closer to the Original Trilogy. TFA looks great and was shot very well, but I do not agree with the final color correction.