natm

Here is a quick mockup:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5EXDsCX5OIl8_lyIHBIOqftdDIN5G3Z/view?usp=sharing

I kept Finn and Rey’s interaction, while removing lightspeed skipping references. I feel like Chewie’s growl now could mean he is telling Rey about the intel, and then she turns her head and asks Poe about it. I don’t know if her looking in poe’s direction before the cut would need to be extended or not. Thoughts?

I think I’ve got something that could work for the scene, in a slightly different way than what you are all suggesting. Let me try a mockup on my computer really quickly. And no this will not have any light speed skipping references at all.

Edit: There may need to be some frame editing to slightly extend a frame right at a cut so it doesn’t go too fast.

I really don’t want to beat a dead horse here, but I made this mockup of the rey/poe argument scene if anyone is interested in checking out. I kept one reference of lightspeed skipping but the rest of the lightspeed part of the argument is gone. My goal was to keep the interaction between rey and finn while trying to not make too much of a jarring cut around the lightspeed skipping references.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NPEdp_y2624WF-G2ZVz8VBOpYh4ahREZ/view?usp=sharing

Hal 9000 said:

Workprint 5 going up! Same link.

Work print 5 is already coming out? I wasn’t expecting anything until the weekend at least. Will check it out later, I’m excited to see the improved Naboo shot

dgraham414 said:

I think the rambling is just as pointless as “power converters” or “moister vaporators” or “speaking boche” or “thermal oscillator” or “compressor adding stress on the hyperdrive” or “GIVE ME THE HYDROSPANER!”

When audiences see the original film they see the Falcon flying into different parts of space rabidly and they hadn’t seen that before (set aside that it’s stupid). The question is then “what is that??”

Answer in the film and canon; Lightspeed skipping

When watching the film now with Lightspeed skipping removed we see the falcon punch through a solid object while moving into hyperspace, something we have never seen before.
Question. “Didn’t the last time we see a ship fly into something at Lightspeed it destroy almost a whole fleet? Why doesn’t this maneuver destroy the falcon?

Answer: “you Lightspeed skipped? You can’t Lightspeed skip the Falcon!”

The audience now knows that the maneuver Poe and company did by punching threw the ice wall is different and a risky maneuver with an in-universe name. With a simple line of technobabble the question is settled. Without it, the question remains, “why were they able to punch through the ice wall?”

If we had not seen the act of Lightspeed skipping before, if we didn’t have that context, I don’t think that line would be in contention at all.

I understand everyone’s reasoning, I’m sorry that I’m harping on it I mean no offense, just want to explain my thinking. The added bonus is retaining one of the very few interactions we have between Finn and Rey.

+1

dgraham414 said:

natm said:

Hal, since I’m assuming you are keeping the scene as is in the edit, do you know which video editors can program LUT’s so that I could add back in some things later to fit in the lut used for this project?

Out of curiosity what are you adding back in?

Just the original version of the scene of Finn, Rey, and Poe with the light speed skipping references intact, or something similar to the mockup that JakeRyan17 posted on the last page, as I am assuming Hal plans on keeping the edited scene the way it currently is as of the last work print. Other than that I’d be keeping it the exact same as I agree with every choice made on the change list.

Hal, since I’m assuming you are keeping the scene as is in the edit, do you know which video editors can program LUT’s so that I could add back in some things later to fit in the lut used for this project?

JakeRyan17 said:

I don’t know if you need to recontextualise the line, Finn and Rey don’t immediately talk about Lightspped Skipping until Chewie interrupts. Here is how I handled the scene:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18LVMvwl9EO8oOqnI3dAP_Q8qlvD8g8S3/view?usp=sharing

I like this mockup, this works really well, the only change I’d make would be that when you cut from Finn and rey being interrupted by chewie to them and poe talking, it would be a little less jarring if in that next scene you show rey saying what happened instead of just audio of it and then the rest of that scene

dgraham414 said:

Hal 9000 said:

I think as Poe and Rey are talking we see several shots of either closeups or tight medium shots. So there’s plenty of time for Finn to walk up. I think it’s better this way than lightspeed skipping dialogue that doesn’t make sense if the TIEs don’t follow them into hyperspace. The only other way is to leave the scene untouched and to assume the term refers to jumping to lightspeed either through the ice or without calculations.

The horses arriving is a little abrupt but has to be that way to remove the compass.

I don’t think assuming lightspeed skipping, as referring to jumping through an ice wall without calculation, is a difficult logical jump to make. It would fit in with the rest of the technological babble that is commonplace in science fiction (including Star Wars.) We wouldn’t need an explanation of lightspeed skipping since we saw them do something that we hadn’t seen before, specifically lightspeed ramming through a wall and surviving. This alone would be considered lightspeed skipping in the context of this edit.

My issue with Finn walking up is that we can clearly see in the shot before he arrives that he is not there. It is not as if the shot where he is there he is just walking up, but he goes from not there to standing there as if he had been there this whole time without introducing himself. Rey would want to see him since we know from TFA and TLJ that their relationship is important to both of them. For Finn to return from a mission and Rey not acknowledge him at all doesn’t work for me.

With the horses, I get it, it is unfortunate though. I do think rearranging just two shots could make it flow better. I’m at the mechanic right now but I’ll try to explain my thought.
We see Rey looking over the Death Star wreckage after the Sith Whispers
We then see that one 2-second shot of the horse close-up coming over the hill
We then hear Poe say his line and pull up his blaster
We then see the shot of Poe’s blaster up with Janna coming down the hill
We would have to remove the 2-second shot from this point to fit continuity,
The scene then continues with no additional cuts.

To make this easier, perhaps removing Rey looking over the wreckage with the 2-second horse shot would allow for little audio adjustment.

+1 for this. The term light speed skipping could be just referring to the light speed ram through the ice wall. I feel like a first time viewer could even assume that the falcon being damaged is because of the ice wall ram. Finns introduction is so abrupt too with the “we just landed”. Definetly keep the actual light speed skip sequence deleted though

JakeRyan17 said:

I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.

In the trevorrow episode 9 script it does appear like lukes does. The beginning of that script basically is the same as the jabba palace intro of rotj: rose, Finn, poe, bb8, and rey all are snooping around a village and they have masks on like leia and lando had on. Rey appears with her double bladed saber, just like Luke during this intro.

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

Yup. Even the original episode 9 script that was scrapped before jj came on had rey build her own double bladed saber out of her staff. I wish they had that for the actual episode 9

Axios said:

Ok, thanks natm that makes more sense for sure! Really hope something utilizing Naboo or another prequel planet can work out. I’ll be thinking of an alternative if necessary.

OH Poppasketti might be able to work some magic if he’s up for it! I know he’s got the skills for it! I’ve seen his talent first hand.

Sounds awesome can’t wait to see what you can cook up for this

Hal, Are there any updates regarding the Palpatine message scene? Has the final version been decided on?

Axios said:

I also had another question for HAL. Is there a reason I’ve missed for why the Naboo shot has to be in the final version? I mean I AM ALL FOR IT IF IT LOOKS UP TO PAR believe me, but forgive me my doubts I am skeptic that it will get there. Regardless of that is there something I’m missing for why it needs to be in the final product?

Appreciate the work that went into the shot regardless!

I’m not Hal but I believe it’s being pursued due to this being the conclusion to the whole 9 film saga, yet that victory ending only shows one sequel planet and two original trilogy ones, completely ignoring the prequels which started this story chronologically, and Naboo (and coruscant) are both very important to this big story and seem like good choices to be added into this finale scene of planets

Octorox said:

I think if the visual is too subtle only nerdy forum geeks like us will pick it up. I think it needs to act as clear visual shorthand for “it was broken, now it’s fixed, but imperfectly” and I think the kewlfish version accomplishes that.

+4

Chase Adams said:

I would really like it if we could somehow have Palpy yell something like, “Skywalker is dead!” Luke’s death made basically no impact on this film so anything to remind us of him would be very much welcome in my opinion.

Edit:

Just watched the clip, using only a portion of the message works surprisingly well, the only big issue is that it seems like removing “somehow Palpatine returned” makes Poe’s next line “He’s been planning his revenge for years” seem very abrupt, it makes it a little too obvious he’s already in the middle of a speech.

Poe’s later line of “so he’s been out there all this time pulling the strings” might work to fill that void before he says he’s been planning his revenge

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Sigh, so its based on that line of Poe, not that the Resistance got the intel. Ok, that clears up that part.

I think the better solution if people or really hounding on needing the resistance hear something. Forget the goofy broadcast. Just have part of the conversation of the First Order in their board room. Put some radio affect on it and THAT is the intel they got. Essentially, Hux recorded the conversation and sent it, with out intel, to the Spy to relay. That way, the Resistance hears part of that recording, that the audience has heard, and the next scene is the Resistance all together.

This allows 1.) Show and not tell (just need a section of the “board room meeting” audio distorted to achieve this). and 2.) The good guys can still can be at a disbelief on what they’ve heard and keep the lines of “Can we believe this?” and “Somehow he is alive” if needed.

Win win.

(The fortnite lines are just too corny, sorry.)

So they get intel of a meeting that starts with discussion of a spy, after killing the informant that gives the intel after his death? Seems very confusing… It’s also less useful information to know that the FO knows about the spy.

Exactly. Also that scene ends with kylo saying that they are going hunting for rey, right when rey and co get to pasaana so that whole scene should just stay where it is imo it’s just more confusing if we try to add the scene as the intel leak

Cinefy said:

Palpatine Message V2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4vmoK8VvA&feature=youtu.be

-Removed Roses frequency line
-added backround resistance sounds
-Removed Poe’s bandage

Pretty good, would rose’s line “wait do we believe this” have to be cut then from the next scene cuz just before she was listening to the message?

Scene could work like this:

Rey: what’s the message?

Scene starts with Palpatine clip playing as the resistance listens to it, show reactions:
[All gasp, murmuring]
ROSE: Wait. Do we believe this?
AFTAB: It cannot be. The Emperor’s dead.
BEAUMONT: Dark silence. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.
[referring to Palpatine]
POE: He’s been planning his revenge. His followers have been building something for years. The largest fleet the galaxy has ever known. He calls it the Final Order.
[Chewie groans]
POE: The Emperor and his fleet have been hiding in the Unknown Regions. On a world called Exegol.

Removes the 16 hour time clock and utilized the Palpatine clip while removing Poe’s “somehow Palpatine returned” line.

natm said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

If someone can come up with an alternative line that still does the trick, I’m open to it!

I still don’t think much needs to be done to alleviate it if we understand the plan to stop the fleet.

During the intel, they got the details they need about the ships and the planet: They can’t leave unless they are guided out. Destroy their “beacon,” they are stuck. So the “hurry” aspect is, you gotta stop them before they leave. They are all “grouped” together in one spot that rely’s on a “beacon” to get them out. Once they are out, how can they even try to stop each destroyer before they “blow stuff up?” It would be impossible.

That is where the hurry is. There was NO need for a timer, the stakes are there: Stop the ships before they leave. They have a weakness: They need to be guided out. Destroy their guide, the threat is eliminated.

There is your more logical timer. The audience doesn’t need to have an explicit timer told to them since the war room explained the situation and the logic on why you need to “hurry up and stop them before they leave.”

When you have a container of water with a hole in it. You don’t need a timer to know when it’s too late to recover the water. Your finger needs to quickly plug the hole since you can’t really scoop all the water back in with your hands once it is all out.

EDIT: Chainsaw, that’s how I view that scene too, Rey FORCEFULLY stabbed Leia. Hence her exile. She “messed up” like Luke did, hence the pattern she was following

After Watching the scene again, I agree with you. The line about the 16 hours can honestly be completely cut from the scene and it’ll work just fine. The stakes are all set already.

How it could go:

POE: He’s been planning his revenge. His followers have been building something for years. The largest fleet the galaxy has ever known. He calls it the Final Order. I̶n̶ ̶1̶6̶ ̶h̶o̶u̶r̶s̶,̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶a̶c̶k̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶f̶r̶e̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶g̶i̶n̶

[Chewie groans]

POE: The Emperor and his fleet have been hiding in the Unknown Regions. On a world called Exegol.

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

If someone can come up with an alternative line that still does the trick, I’m open to it!

I still don’t think much needs to be done to alleviate it if we understand the plan to stop the fleet.

During the intel, they got the details they need about the ships and the planet: They can’t leave unless they are guided out. Destroy their “beacon,” they are stuck. So the “hurry” aspect is, you gotta stop them before they leave. They are all “grouped” together in one spot that rely’s on a “beacon” to get them out. Once they are out, how can they even try to stop each destroyer before they “blow stuff up?” It would be impossible.

That is where the hurry is. There was NO need for a timer, the stakes are there: Stop the ships before they leave. They have a weakness: They need to be guided out. Destroy their guide, the threat is eliminated.

There is your more logical timer. The audience doesn’t need to have an explicit timer told to them since the war room explained the situation and the logic on why you need to “hurry up and stop them before they leave.”

When you have a container of water with a hole in it. You don’t need a timer to know when it’s too late to recover the water. Your finger needs to quickly plug the hole since you can’t really scoop all the water back in with your hands once it is all out.

EDIT: Chainsaw, that’s how I view that scene too, Rey FORCEFULLY stabbed Leia. Hence her exile. She “messed up” like Luke did, hence the pattern she was following

After Watching the scene again, I agree with you. The line about the 16 hours can honestly be completely cut from the scene and it’ll work just fine. The stakes are all set already.

majoras_wrath said:

oviniboy said:

Cinefy said:

I wish we could get Palpatine to say “Nothing will stop the REVENGE OF THE SITH” instead of saying return,

that would be a serious “Hux realizes that he lost the star wars” moment

You say that like it’s a bad thing 😛

On the topic of Ascendant, has anyone heard from jonh lately? He hasn’t posted in a while.

I’m pretty sure I heard pages back that he’s working now which is why he doesn’t have much time to work on ascendant. Could be wrong though

Personally the way the line goes in the current work print is the way to go, just with “you’re his granddaughter” and not “you are a Palpatine” it just sounds like it’s ham fisted and adding too much with the extra line

Are there any project updates regarding the crawl and the Ben solo force ghost?

Hal 9000 said:

I don’t think so, guys. I don’t think it really belongs there, so I’m gonna cut that off.

I’ll get ready to dodge tomatoes.

That’s perfectly fine with me, it’s a cool idea that I’d like to see someone else’s edit tackle but I think the ending is perfected anyways for this edit. No tomatoes need to be thrown your way