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CannonShy said:

Hey - long time lurker.

I’ve just gone through the local copies I have of Buffy - I was interested in Buffy back in the day, so I acquired various scene releases of the US broadcasts (#buffy-unlimited on EFNet), some of these were C-band satellite feed captures of the masters as they were fed to TV stations. I got busy with other stuff during the later seasons, and I made the mistake of lending my only copy of some of the material to someone who was more than a little flake-y. Lesson learned, but as a result: there are some pretty big holes.

I’ve compiled the following spreadsheet of openings over the past few days (csv format): https://pastebin.com/sKi7TGbt

Regarding the data in the sheet: Where I’m less than 100% sure I’ve put a “?” in the “Intro” column. The material I’ve checked to draw the conclusion is in the “Notes” column. I use the term “Cold open” to describe no opening - it’s not technically the right term - but you get the idea. “US Master” refers to a scene release that ripped the C-band TV station upload and includes master header, these would be the same as the station subsequently aired, so the relationship between the master and the broadcast should be 100%.

Key things:

• The PAL DVDs are not necessarily 100% reliable at determining how an episode opened. For example: S01E06 “The Pack” has a cold open on the DVDs - but I have a copy of the original US broadcast which has the boiler plate “In every generation…” at the start.
• Double episodes that were broadcast on a single night may be tricky: i.e. S06E01-S06E02 and S06E21-S06E22 skip the “previously on…” on the second episode - but streaming includes it. S01E01-S01E02 were broadcast on a single night, and I’m not clear if they had a “In every generation” intro on S01E02, but the US DVD includes it.
• “Last week on…” vs “Previously on…” on S02E10 Streaming says one thing - but the original UK broadcast says something different
• S06E01 “US master” also has a different ‘previously on…’ to streaming - with an entire series recap similar to the one on S05E22
• S01E01 had some WB specific intro bits that might be worth preserving - copy available here (is it canon?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDbvHsqiOc
• I haven’t gone frame-by-frame comparing the “previously on…” between Streaming, broadcast and DVD, so it’s possible there are further differences, but I’ve called out where they are obvious to me.
• Later seasons seemed to have a “previously on…” for every episode - the last episode with no recap (excluding part two of double episodes) was S05E16, 50 episodes before the end of the series.

The WB specific bumper “Tonight’s WB presentation is intended for our adult and teen viewers, and is not recommended for younger viewers.” is kinda fun and it would throw it into the ring consideration for inclusion.

Would welcome feedback - it’s very possible I’m wrong in places. I may make some edits over the next few days - I’m trying to review the PAL DVDs, but it’s slow going.

The original OP is no longer working on this project, so I’ve taken over. That’s awesome to hear that you’ve put alot of research into it and if you’d like to help out, I’d love to get a PM from you!

MonkeyLizard10 said:

I’m sure I have a bunch of episodes recorded on VHS. I’m not sure if I would’ve necessarily spooled it up in time to always catch the very start or not. Anyway, if I come across anything useful during my VHS tapes digitizing project I’ll get back to this thread. Could be quite a while. So many tapes and it will take a long time to digitize them. And I’m doing work on 4K02 and other stuff now too.

That would be great

stwd4nder2 said:

Are there any other differences between broadcast and DVD other then the openings?

Music for sure, and I think the first episode of Season 6 is cut on some foreign releases but I never actually got confirmation on that. I’m pretty sure the syndicated versions of S6E1-2 are cut.

I am actually working on a project just like this, minus the music. I’d be more than happy to share the previously segments I have, just shoot me a PM.

AdmiralWasabi10191 said:

Would be better if someone scanned a 35mm print instead of whatever the fuck this is attempting.

Or you could understand that they aren’t always available to be scanned, and scanning and restoring takes money and a lot of time. No need to shit on every project that could look better with a print.

That’s awesome! I’ve never seen this movie but I’ve seen it’s need for a proper HD version and those frames look incredibly clean. If you need any help, I’d love to take a crack at it!

The grain and CC looks nice, but why would you crop it even more than the 1.85:1 aspect ratio?

CloakedDragon97 said:

I just created a ShareMania account to get this. Just wondering is it safe?

I haven’t had one issue and I host it though Google Drive so there shouldn’t be any issues!

stwd4nder2 said:

The OP lists the audio bitrates as higher then what’s available in the mkv on sharemania. Is this a mistake or are higher quality ones available elsewhere?

I don’t have the DTS-HD MA files available as a standalone due to compromises to get those audio tracks, but the encodes included sound identical due to the source only being around 192kbps.

stwd4nder2 said:

narth said:

I did a fan edit that is supposed to be a recreation of the theatrical version. Given there aren’t may changes compared to the 4K transfer. My project included a recreation of the Saul Bass WB logo that was on the original release, done by me. Also the original mono tracks from the LD and 1999 DVD and the original blue credits at the end.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Shining-1980-Zemastered-Edition-Released/id/70072

This may be what you are looking for.

Exactly what I’m looking for!
Mind sending me a link while I have your attention?

It says where to find it at the end of the thread 😃

stwd4nder2 said:

SpacemanDoug said:

From what I know the 1999 DVD is the best source for the mono audio

A capture of it exists

Has anyone synced it to the 4k BD yet?

I did a fan edit that is supposed to be a recreation of the theatrical version. Given there aren’t may changes compared to the 4K transfer. My project included a recreation of the Saul Bass WB logo that was on the original release, done by me. Also the original mono tracks from the LD and 1999 DVD and the original blue credits at the end.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Shining-1980-Zemastered-Edition-Released/id/70072

This may be what you are looking for.

LHUX said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MWOO6wjIVY
35mm english trailer.

Here’s the vimeo link to reduce compression: https://vimeo.com/566272831
Scanned by willarob.

RedRust1987 said:

Any ideas on getting this onto digital MKV whatever or Blu ray?

Do you have a 70mm print of it? If so, there are a few film scanners hanging around that would probably do it!

calisto said:

Trying to download from Sharemania but getting server error from Rar 21 onwards, can you take a look please?

Hmm I checked it out and the download is working for me, I am not sure why it isn’t working for you. The only thing I can think is that Google was messing up. I hope the download ends up working for you!

The project is now available on ShareMania! I hope everyone enjoys it!

docsap said:

Could somebody be kind enough to send me an invite code? Thank you

I PM’d ya.

JonathanArthur19 said:

I really like your edit Narth, it looks really good and I prefer how your edit looks. What software or plugins did you use to create that?

Adobe Premiere with the plugin FilmConvert for grain.

I decided to do my own grain/color edit of frame @ianoliva posted.

Original:

My edit:

Swazzy said:

Thanks to the new availability of a CAM rip and theatrical trailer scans provided by Notelu and bslatky respectively, I’ve been able to more concretely approximate how this thing looked on a print:

The colors still need to be tweaked for accuracy, but all in all this gels with how I remember the theatrical presentation.

Personally the blanket blue just looks wrong to me, so I only added some. But that is my opinion.

ianolivia said:

Update on my version: I tweaked the colors a little bit, and I also added grain using the Vegas “Film Effects” plugin. I also found a clip in the film’s OAR, 1.85:1, and it appears to have more picture on the Blu-ray; the BD is open matte, so I matted my version to 1.85:1.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/DPDLLNNX

I’d pull back the grain a bit, otherwise looks good.

Thread is updated for v3.0!

RetroFreak19 said:

please, Eng.

P.S. Sorry for sounding a bit hasty on that other forum of your’s.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Shining-1980-Zemastered-Edition-Released/id/70072/page/1#1403882

RetroFreak19 said:

narth said:

RetroFreak19 said:

narth said:

Updated the thread for version 2.2.

hmmm…
How are we supposed to find this .mkv movie file?
OR is this only for you, and no one else?
P.S. PLEASE share us the audio file(s) of the original mono mix.

It’s available at another famous forum for the star wars trilogy. I don’t have the mono mix I could share, and the current one I have I can’t share until I finish v3.0 of my project which is on hold. No need to be so pushy btw, that’s not a way to get anything done.

Oh, I’m sorry.
Where can I find this forum, and how do I get a copy of the audio file(s) from them?

Google is your friend for both of those things! I’m not sure if I should say directly where to get it.

RetroFreak19 said:

narth said:

Updated the thread for version 2.2.

hmmm…
How are we supposed to find this .mkv movie file?
OR is this only for you, and no one else?
P.S. PLEASE share us the audio file(s) of the original mono mix.

It’s available at another famous forum for the star wars trilogy. I don’t have the mono mix I could share, and the current one I have I can’t share until I finish v3.0 of my project which is on hold. No need to be so pushy btw, that’s not a way to get anything done.

ykarus1974 said:

Hello friends!

This is my very first post 😃

I was curious if anyone would be interesting in helping me (no money needed - just some constructive comments would suffice).

I am a huge fan of the Anne of Green Gables series (1985).

I own the DVDs released back in 2001, original full screen edition (it was made for TV).

Sullivan Entertainment released the Bluray version a few years back, but Alas…

The framing looks good, but its obvious that it’s cropped from its original 1.33:1 presentation (I read somewhere that the video is a scan of the original negative, then cropped to fit our widescreen screens). It seems the original negative is somewhere between full screen and widescreen, because upon comparing the TV version and the Bluray version, the Bluray version has more information on the left and right sides of the image, but crops a bit on top and bottom).

That part is not too bad… The worse is that in this bluray presentation, the image is very dark and muted in contrast. Quoting a comment found online : “Outside daylight scenes look like they were filmed under twilight”. To my observation, it looks like they scanned the negatives and never bothered adjusting anything before realeasing it.

This is why I thought about this forum 😃

This is my plan : I would like to adjust the video to its intended beauty. The scenery is absolutely incredible, and it’s a shame the bluray is so poor in quality. I’ve never done this kind of project before, but I have a bit of knowledge with Adobe Premiere Pro and I found lots of tutorials on Youtube.

Would anyone be interested in helping me ? I would like to post some screen captures and you could tell me what you think of the quality. I hope I am not biting more than I can chew but I want to give it a try.

How about this first steps :

1. Get an uncompressed copy of the Bluray using MakeMKV
2. It seem Adobe Premiere Pro has trouble using MKV files, so I would convert the resulting mkv to MT2S file… this would be the file I would use in Adobe Premiere Pro.

any thoughts?

Ykarus1974.

I recommend converting the MKV container into a MP4 container using FFMPEG.

Here’s the code I would use: ffmpeg -i “input.mkv” -codec copy “output.mp4”

That should copy everything over? (I don’t think subtitles will) But I would keep the original MKV just in case.