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#1219512
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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flametitan said:

Possessed said:

I agree with a less extreme mfm. Efforts would be much better spent teaching kids how to defend themselves against bullies than preventing bullying, because that ain’t gonna happen so you might as well teach people to not be a victim. Would it be great if we could stop bullying? Obvi. But we can’t.

Another (albeit complimentary rather than exclusive) answer is to hold the bully accountable for their actions as well, though how effective this is in elementary/grade school is debatable. It’s more of a way to deal with adults, or at least the examples I can think of are.

It isn’t effective with kids. A lot of bullies get suspended or sent to detention if they’re caught by a competent administrator, but if they don’t have attentive parents to actually help them understand why it’s wrong then the punishment alone likely won’t mean anything. Most bullies that I remember were constantly in and out of the principal’s office and it didn’t change their thuggery one bit.

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#1219511
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Never heard his music, so I can only guess. And since I hate pretty much all popular music these days (that I’ve heard) I tend to lean towards the expectation that I won’t like it.

Well, if that’s how you feel…

I just thought it was funny that, of all the mainstream musicians, he’s probably the least deserving of being shit on for being not a “real musician.”

That may be the case. I’ve never listened to his music, but every single other mainstream musician that I’ve heard that is lauded as being basically perfect by almost everyone (e.g. Kanye, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Sam Smith, Drake, Megan Trainor, etc. etc.) has failed to impress me one bit. So my thoughts on Lamar are basically: I hate 99% of what our mainstream culture offers in terms of music, so why should I even bother sampling the other 1%? And just so you know, I’m one of these assholes that thinks 1979 was the last year that any good music came out. There’s great music today, but by and large it’s ignored because quality products typically aren’t marketable to mainstream audiences these days. That goes for movies, books, music, and pretty much everything else.

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#1219492
Topic
Going away? Post so here!
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Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

They’re not wrong though.

opinion ^

In all seriousness, it’s actually a fact. The “disputes” were all just perceived and largely manufactured by you. No one was in any kind of an OT.com feud with you.

I think it’d be best if you just dropped it and moved on, as I don’t think anyone has an issue with you when you’re just contributing as you do normally. And I’m not trying to pick on you, I think if everybody just got on with things, we’d be all right.

What the hell is this? That was posted after I said that.

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#1219455
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

It’s a word that shouldn’t be used to describe someone. It can be said if it’s being quoted or referred to. Unless of course we’re children that can’t handle hearing a word and need to refer to it with other language.

TV’s Frink said:

Well since we’re not black I don’t think we should be telling people that it’s ok to use the word.

That’s not compelling at all. I actually think it’s not okay to use the word really at all, but it’s not a problem to refer to it when speaking of it. I don’t care what color you are, if you find it less objectionable to here “the n-word” instead of someone just saying it when you’re in a context-appropriate discussion, like in reciting an old book or quoting something or talking about how insulting the word itself is, then you’re being immature and I find your stance obnoxious. I guess this is just one of about a million things that supposedly healthy-minded people agree on that I think is total bullshit, but I’m used to that so I’ll just move on and complain about something else. My feelings apply to any and all other “[insert letter here]-words”.

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#1219448
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Why? I’ve yet to hear a single concrete reason as to why it’s better to substitute something else when we all know what we’re talking about. I––surprisingly, given my thoughts on humanity––tend to give people more credit than to expect them to be shattered by hearing a word even in an appropriate context, but okay with hearing something that refers to that word. Perhaps I shouldn’t though, maybe even that is an unreasonable expectation.

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#1219446
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

Post Praetorian said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t really try to make myself feel better or worse on anything. I’ve kind of given up on being a productive member of society at this point.

I understand this sentiment…it can be difficult to meld with a society whose aims often seem so foreign to one’s own…but further still, it can also be very taxing to attempt to put in a solid effort when all returns seemingly amount to very little of substance…yet understand that one has an impact even in the smallest possible circles…it is important not to surrender completely to despair least those who might rely upon us even in the smallest ways be made to suffer…but even more importantly it is necessary to comprehend that there are those who have not even yet met us who may yet benefit from such an encounter.

I see your point, but no one relies on me and I’m not much into this whole benefiting others concept.

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#1219433
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Remember when Kendrick Lamar, who I guess is what passes for a musician these days, brought a white fan on stage purely so that he could berate her for singing the words to the song that he brought her on stage to sing?

https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/05/kendrick-lamar-white-fan-n-word-watch/

This article is horrible, by the way, but anyone with a brain can see how ridiculous it is.

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#1219431
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

flametitan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

flametitan said:

You have to be careful with violence, mfm, though I agree broadly with requiring a willingness to fight in self defence.

If you fight, you need to be mindful of the possibility of escalation. That is to say, there’s a chance that instead of backing down, your bully may instead begin to fight back even harder. The problem with this, of course, is that you don’t know who’s more willing to do however much harm to the other, and if your opponent ends up more capable than you, it could end badly for you.

Well, then at you’ve got your pride. You could also attack the bully while he isn’t looking if he’s too strong to take on head to head.

At least in my case, the disparity between myself and my peers in size is enough that even getting the upper hand in a surprise attack would just lead to me being overpowered.

ditto.

Then pay someone bigger to bloody them.

what kid would have the money to do that?

All it’d take is a dollar or two probably.

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#1219424
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

flametitan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

flametitan said:

You have to be careful with violence, mfm, though I agree broadly with requiring a willingness to fight in self defence.

If you fight, you need to be mindful of the possibility of escalation. That is to say, there’s a chance that instead of backing down, your bully may instead begin to fight back even harder. The problem with this, of course, is that you don’t know who’s more willing to do however much harm to the other, and if your opponent ends up more capable than you, it could end badly for you.

Well, then at you’ve got your pride. You could also attack the bully while he isn’t looking if he’s too strong to take on head to head.

At least in my case, the disparity between myself and my peers in size is enough that even getting the upper hand in a surprise attack would just lead to me being overpowered.

ditto.

Then pay someone bigger to bloody them.

Post
#1219412
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

flametitan said:

You have to be careful with violence, mfm, though I agree broadly with requiring a willingness to fight in self defence.

If you fight, you need to be mindful of the possibility of escalation. That is to say, there’s a chance that instead of backing down, your bully may instead begin to fight back even harder. The problem with this, of course, is that you don’t know who’s more willing to do however much harm to the other, and if your opponent ends up more capable than you, it could end badly for you.

Well, then at least you’ve got your pride. You could also attack the bully while he isn’t looking if he’s too strong to take on head to head.

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#1219398
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The only way to stop a bully is to violently assault the bully.

No, there are other ways. Maybe the strategy Post Praetorian suggests could be employed by those capable of doing it, but not all are good at it. Another way is for those in legitimate authority to stop them(legitimate punishment, etc).

I disagree. Kids don’t listen to authority and authority can’t be everywhere at once. You have to bloody the bully in order to make him go harass someone weaker. It’s unfortunate, but life is pretty unfortunate.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

And bullies can be pitied.

In can be difficult to pity the bully that is bulling you.

Ok.

Some of them have really shitty lives, which is sometimes why they end up becoming bullies.

It is not the fault of the bullied that the bullies have really shitty lives.

Nope.

Plus, kids are stupid and don’t know what they’re doing.

Hence why we have adults to teach them when they do wrong.

Adults are stupid and don’t know what they’re doing. The worst bully I ever had was actually a teacher.

It’s best to not hold too much against them.

true, but sometimes what they do can have lasting effects.

Yeah?