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#70587
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STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70587/action/topic#70587
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Try de-muxing the video using something like TMPGEnc. If the VOB file is corrupted, it is unlikely to extract correctly. If it does, you most likely have a burn problem. I've seen a downloaded copy of TR47's ESB play flawlessly burnt on TDK DVD-R, choke on Imation DVD+R written at 4x, and play fine on the same media burnt at 2x - all from the same files. YMMV...
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#70511
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70511/action/topic#70511
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I'd like to add my vote for a NON noise-reduced approach - take a look at the opening snowspeeder shots on TR47's version of ESB to see an extreme case of unsuccessful noise-reduction. The filtering artefacts are FAR more distressing than the MPEG encoding, even at the low data rate. I'd far rather have a little film grain and noise than the whole "behind a veil" feel. Even when it's done well ( Aliens Special Edition, say ) - noise-reduction is almost always noticeable and iritating. I work in audio and follow the same approach there - "hiss is our friend" BTW, for those looking to lift audio levels, the Waves Ultra-Maximiser DX plugin is great...

I'm also interested to know whether you guys are seeing frame-by-frame shifts in colour temp ? Especially noticeable on the opening scenes of SW, all the walls gently shift hue WITHIN the scenes... is that a limitation of TR47's transfer, or the discs themselves ?

Finally, PLEASE go with the best MPEG encoder you can use ( TMPGEnc is great, for the money, but Procoder and CCE are better ) I haven't used Premiere's encoder, but I've never yet seen a "bundled" package that comes close.
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#70082
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/70082/action/topic#70082
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I know that the one thing I find really distressing about the TR47 version is the noise-reduction that's been ( over- ) used. Of course this doesn't really show up on stills in the same way. Zion, would you be prepared to export a short section of your current ANH capture as DV, say, so we can see how it looks in action ? And, how about a few "before and after" screenshots so we can see the changes you're making to the original capture ?

PS. As far as I'm concerned, anamorphic vs. 4:3 is a non-issue with a letterboxed source. TV zoom or software scaling both look fine - analogue zoom is crisper but with more aliasing, in my experience.
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#69744
Topic
Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69744/action/topic#69744
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I just answered my own question, up to a point - try this:

Using TR47, ( or the laser-discs, if you have them ) adjust a key scene to match the 2004 DVDs as best you can - I used the shots of R2 alone in the wilderness - you'll need a little extra contrast and lots of extra colour. Then carry on watching - many of the "flaws" people are complaining about on the new DVDs already exist on the originals - it's just that the heightened contrast & colour is revealing the limitations of the original 1977 film.

So I think the problem isn't that the scene-by-scene adjustments are wrong in the new version, but rather that they weren't done at all - for the most part, it's global tweaks, with the ocasional correction... someone should have gone through with the care and attention that Mike is, but didn't...

...none of which helps with the lame CG & plot changes of course
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#69732
Topic
Using the '04 SE DVD version to restore the Original (with lots of info)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69732/action/topic#69732
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Mike,

I'm curious - are the shot-by-shot white-balance differences you're pointing out a new feature of the 2004 transfer, or just something that was always there, and the enhanced contrast and colours have brought them out further ? The reason I ask is there is a shot of the jawas at 16'29" ( for example ) on the DVDs where they suddenly look almost orange - but there seems to be a similar effect on my TR47 copy of the DE LDs.

And, my pet hate ( other than R2 glowing in the dark ) is Grebo - regardless of when he shoots, in the 2004 DVDs he's positively luminous ! But again, looking at the originals, he was pretty colourful even then, and I'm wondering if the new microscopically acurate transfers are just revealing these quirks in a particularly unflattering way...?

( None of which means you shouldn't carry on with the work you're doing, of course. )
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#69023
Topic
Info Wanted: The laserdiscs vs. The best bootlegs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69023/action/topic#69023
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> The higher the sampling rate, the higher the quality, but it can never be the same as the original.

Not strictly true. According to the sampling theorem, in an ideal A/D D/A system, the original signal WILL be reconstructed perfectly, up to the Nyquist point ( half the sampling rate ).

In the real world, the truth of this statement is limited by factors like the quality of the components used for digitisation & reconstruction, and in particular the filters used. This is why a capture card costing thousands will give better results than a cheaper one.

So it's never exactly the same, but it can get pretty damn close...