Would love a link please man!
Progress is quickly rolling along. LeperMessiah117’s feedback made me realize more sub-plot scenes could be cut as their events aren’t explicitly brought up as I thought they were in later season 2 episodes. I also realised some scenes I thought dragged a bit could be easily chopped for pacing. The edit now sits at 147 minutes long, with a total of 89 minutes cut.
The workprint is now on version 4. I’m still looking for feedback from others, so don’t hesitate to drop a reply if you’re interested.
Please send me the link. Thanks!
The scene with Andy taking Dick and Nicky out for Malteds is intact. It is the end part of the scene with Roger (the FBI agent) Ernie Niles, Hank and Norma at the Double RR 20-25 minutes in. The scene with them making the plans to get Malteds is also present.
Ah, yep. I did indeed keep this scene in to add a tiny hair of character development to Dick and Andy to show they’re at least trying to do something in relation to their potentially imminent fatherhood. Sure it’s a bit strange to have a kid appear then not appear for the rest of the show, but I think it at least demonstrates how Dick is attempting to be more father-like in the most shallow way possible. It’s a rare moment of silly comic relief in the edit as it presently stands, too.
Would cutting out the scene with the case worker be that difficult? I mean, you’d have to take some liberties with the soundtrack to make it work audiowise, but then I wouldn’t know if it’d actually work unless I personally sat down and tried it editing it myself.
Perhaps not. I’ll give it another go, it was just a bit tricky when I did attempt it.
Well, the manner of the stabbing is mentioned in the scene with Albert, Cooper and Truman, and it’s identicality to Caroline’s murder is also mentioned elsewhere (but whether it’s in that particular scene or not, I can’t remember.) Also, I feel that the following scene where they’re taking the body away also retreads some info (“If it was Earle, he didn’t miss a beat…” “No fibers…” “I found that car on the logging road, just like he said…”) but in a less direct “Cooper explaining things” way and more of a possible implied, unseen conversation way. But now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not sure if it’s mentioned outside of this scene if Windom orchestrates the power outage. It may not be feasible to cut it the scene, but that’s up to you to decide if it could and/or should be cut.
And that now sounds like a very redundant scene, and it’s now gone. Now sitting at 155 minutes, nice spot!
Alright, just finished my viewing and here are my thoughts:
Overall, it’s a promising edit. Most of what was cut out was not missed and what was left in kept the storylines held together rather well. But I have a few suggestions.
Thank you for such detailed feedback! This is exactly what I’m looking for. I’m always iterative in my creative output and I wanna keep iterating, iterating and iterating on this until we’ve got the best version of this edit possible.
First being that maybe the orphan Nicky subplot could be cut out entirely? Since it doesn’t amount to anything in the end, even in the original version, it might be best to leave it out. I realize this means cutting Andy, Lucy and Dick down practically to cameo appearances only, but if their plot doesn’t really contribute to anything at all and doesn’t feature the most of the comic-relief shenanigans that Andy and Dick get into, then it might be best to axe it entirely.
From what I can remember, that plotline is pretty much entirely cut? The only remnants currently are Nicky’s case worker mentioning his parents passed in mysterious circumstances to Lucy, Dick and Andy before Andy gets called away to the Great Northern, and the Doc briefly calling Nick, Andy and Lucy into a room (we don’t see the scene wrapping up the whole subplot). Both of those scenes I only kept in because there would be rough audio transitions otherwise. Other than that, the entire subplot is gone. Unless there’s something else I missed?
In terms of Ben’s subplot, I would suggest reintroducing the scene featuring Dr. Jacobi’s explanation of Ben’s condition of “trying to change his own circumstances by changing the outcome of the Civil War” so we have a better understanding of why he’s acting the way he is in his scenes.
Thanks for pointing this out. Missing details like that is exactly why I’m asking for feedback. I’m just concerned about runtime - the edit is already over 2 and a half hours long which is pushing it for a typical film length IMO. I thought the audience could simply assume he’s acting up because of what he’s been through, but I guess this explanation is somewhat necessary to understand his behaviour. I’ll consider adding that back in.
For James, it may be best to reinsert one or two scenes in between James fleeing the police and returning to confront Evelyn. I think it may be necessary to bring back the scene Eveline talking to the police (if just for consistencies’ sake, given the closeups of Evelyn wearing the mourning veil in the confrontation scenes) and maybe the scene where Donna confronts Evelyn and Malcolm at the bar. As it stands now, it just feels like there’s a bit too much missing for the truncation of this plot to come off as completely seamless.
I felt your point here even on my own edit viewings before announcing it. The thing is, the whole thing still sucks and I’m trying to minimise it’s screentime lol. I’ll think about how I could do so without letting it stink up the narrative for too long.
Some other things I’d like to address/suggest would be the credits that wound up included at various points in the edit. During Briggs’ questioning at the Sheriff’s station, the credits, I would imagine, could be removed with a simple cropping of the shots in which they are featured. The framing may come off as oddly close, but in my opinion, it would be less distracting than credits randomly appearing here.
I actually spent a lot of time trying to digitally remove the credits using the After Effects AI fill tool to always immediately noticeable results when I could’ve just cropped the frame… Why didn’t I think of this before haha. I’ll take a look at cropping now to fix that issue.
As for the scene of the examination of Windom’s victim, unfortunately cropping is not an option here as the credits are center-focused in the shots. However, and you may disagree, but I feel as though this particular scene could be cut entirely, as most if not all of the important information relayed here is found in other scenes featured later in this edit.
I’m all for trimming down redundant scenes. Now that you mention it, the examination findings - that Windham was the killer - is repeated when packing up his body, so I’ll cut this scene now. It improves the pacing and sense of urgency with the Leo/Shelley attack afterwards too.
Also, some minor editing suggestions would be to extend the thunderclouds shot after Major Briggs’ reappearance by perhaps slowing down the footage. You won’t be able to get much more out of it, but it would be something. And I would also suggest that the commercial-break cut during the hostage situation at Dead Dog Farm could be edited to a more traditional kind of transition? As in, edit it to pretend there was no commercial break there at all and make it a time-passing transition, going from Sheriff Truman aiming his shotgun to the shot of the moon, maybe using a little audio layering and crossfades. I suggest this only because there was a fade-to-black/fade-in transition in the previous scene just before going from Nadine and Ed to Dead Dog Farm.
Good ideas. Will look at both.
And finally, some lingering frames! For ease of editing, here are the frames you missed that I found during my viewing of the workprint:
Gah, I thought I fixed these. This appeared in my previous versions of the edit and I thought V3 fixed them for good. For some reason in Adobe Premiere, I don’t see these flash frames in my timeline. They only appear on rendering out. I scrubbed each cut via rendering out each cut to ensure no flash frames were there, but it seems like I still missed some. I’ll fix these now.
EDIT: One last thing! I’d really like to look at a cutlist if you have one to see if there was anything that you cut that maybe I’d wanna suggest adding back in. And thanks for the work you put in here!
I’ll DM ya about this.
Anyone else want a copy of the workprint, let me know!
Hello all! Joined very recently to explore the world of Star Wars fanedits a bit more thoroughly. I’ve been working away quietly on a fanedit - my second one since my first back in 2015. I wasn’t planning to announce until I’d made a fair bit of progress on it since I often get an edit idea, rigerously start on it, then lose all interest and drop it entirely. Well… Someone a few days ago was asking about Twin Peaks fanedits, and now I’ve made a fair bit of progress on it. 😄
David Lynch has recently become my all-time favorite director. I think Twin Peaks is his magnum opus. Season 1 is great, the Last Days of Laura Palmer is the most disturbingly realistic horror film I’ve ever seen and Season 3 might be the greatest piece of television ever made. But season 2 is awful at times. I assumed that someone must have tried editing it into better form, right? But I couldn’t find any edits attempting that when I was searching. So I thought I’d give it a go myself. I rewatched season 2 from a more analytical perspective, trying to figure out where exactly the wheels come off. I think I more or less pinned it down - it starts and ends strong, but there’s a middle portion where the show really drags as it figures out what to do after resolving Laura Palmer’s mystery, revolving around numerous dumb sub-plots.
Twin Peaks: Between Two Firs (thanks to LeoMessiah117 for making me realize my spelling mistake) condenses that rough middle patch - episodes 11-15 - into a single movie to watch instead of those episodes. It doesn’t miraculously make the episodes good, but I hope it at least makes them less of a chore to get through. Sideplots are streamlined so that the show maintains its ensemble cast feel rather than have key cast members suddenly disappear. Between Two Ferns currently runs at 146 minutes, cutting 90 minutes of stupidity. Here’s the TLDR cutlist (there will be a detailed cutlist when the edit is finalised):
- Dick and Andy don’t genuinely think an orphan might have murdered his parents
- James and Evelyn’s melodrama is reduced
- Most of Nadine’s cringey Mike flirtations are gone
- Lana’s dumb ‘sexual goddess’ scenes are gone
- Ben’s Civil War General psychosis is reduced
- Other scene trims and/or cuts for tighter pacing
The edit is on it’s fourth workprint iteration. At this point, I’m personally happy with the way it flows, but I want to take my time polishing this edit. So if you are interested in checking out the workprint, leave a reply to this thread and I’ll send it over to you. I’ll be taking my time to take onboard everyone’s feedback and put out the edit when it’s ready. Hope you’ve all got plenty of coffee ready. 😉
Just watched the first three episodes and I can confirm this is coming together nicely. Can’t wait for the rest!
Would love a link!
Well… This is strange. I’m currently in the middle of a Star Wars re-watch and just joined this forum to explore the fan edits a bit more, but I have been quietly working on a fanedit for Season 2 of Twin Peaks that cuts out the suck. The working title is presently Twin Peaks: Between Two Ferns. I was planning to make an announcement on Fanedit.org once I have a finished workprint done to show people.
IMO Season 2 of Twin Peaks starts and ends strong, the main problem is episodes 11-15 being almost entirely subplots. My edit combines those episodes into a single film, slimming down on the filler material. The idea is to watch the fanedit as a replacement for those episodes when watching season 2, otherwise you watch the remainder of the season as is. Currently its sitting at around 2 hours 38 mins long, removing 76 minutes of footage. I guess I’ll be making a proper announcement thread here when it’s ready. 😃