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#1382134
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Re: Audio transitions and overall leveling, I watched in browser on a Lenovo through Chrome w/ Sony Studio monitors and had no issues.

Also popped print v. 6.1 into my home theater with 5.1 and although a couple transitions are maybe… ever so vaguely muddled, I still think everything is super ready to final. (What you are fiddling with now Hal, the additional trooper voice processing, Rey’s volume, are valid nitpicks though thanks for all the attention to detail!).

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#1381649
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

I would have liked for Ep9 to follow TLJ’s lead in Rey’s identity as she would forge ahead with building herself up as the heir to the Jedi. However, if they want to have her struggle with inner darkness, I think TROS on its own as a film benefits more from having a Palpatine lineage than what it would be if we removed it via fan editing.

Arguably, though, I took the opposite approach to handling ROTS by undercutting a dramatic punch for continuity with ROTJ. But even then there are both versions available.

I like the “what? how?” moment personally, and it was one of the choices in the voice pack. I thought it was less on the nose than “oh, that’s not fair.” I think it’s good to have the KoR say something on Exegol because that’s the only time in the movie that we hear the vocalizations that axlanian and krausfadr worked to match (as they get beaten).

That’s the KoR getting beaten, not axlanian and krausfadr. I’m pretty sure they weren’t under any duress while working on that.

Oh yes, the “oh, that’s not fair” was too campy/silly. By far. Maybe for my personal taste, I’d imagined a one word reaction, like just “what” “how” “wait…” or “no!” or something. It might be because I have been looking at this material without the KoR VO for so long.

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#1381638
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Yes, to poppasketti you listen! I can live with either, especially with how much work has been done to repair the film on this site. I understand both opinions, but I am in the Rey Nobody camp.

Just checked out workprint 6.1, the Knights of Ren “surprised” voiceover work when Ben reveals the lightsaber is somehow not hitting right. There’s nothing in the KoR voice pack, but I think if you’re feeling there must be something there instead of silent physical reactions, Hal, I think something as simple as a deadpan “no” would work great (a la Agent Smith when he’s caught off guard by the helicopter and minigun in The Matrix? Anyone?)

That doubled use of “traitor” being corrected makes me feel more on board with the VO work for the Knights of Ren. After checking out a little of that voice pack, I do like vicrul’s “You’re a disgrace” a lot as well, but much like “Knights of Ren.” / “Ghouls” there isn’t much space to get anything to read with music, effects, and how quick the original cuts are.

Speaking of “Knights of Ren.” “Ghouls.” did anyone ever try recording the word “zealots” or “madmen”? I know the word cultists features in a First Order officer line just a few shots later, so “cultists” couldn’t be used. (Feel free to ignore this tangent, I have read a bunch of the thread and know this has gone round a few times)

With the quality of this workprint alone, I am super excited for kewl to finish that saber work and Rey Nobody cut to happen. This makes me so much happier than the theatrical version!

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#1381591
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

The KoR voice project had different options for dialogue, so I just picked the ones I preferred. And some I didn’t use at all.

The ice wall audio is super tricky and convoluted. But I will revisit it again and see if there’s anything else I can do. Knowing that it sounds like the music drops out helps! Perhaps dropping in a little bit of music that halfway matches would help.

I am really loving workprint 6! Such great work. Haven’t checked out 6.1 but I have KoR notes if there were no significant changes there.

Love the addition of “traitor” but if there are any more takes with a “rebel scum” level of disgust and hatred in the voice acting it might punch more? (It did stand out to me, that duplicated audio for traitor but I am reading you already resolved that in 6.1)

I don’t think anyone has said this yet, but I feel like the “what?” / “…how?” KoR VO when Ben reveals his teleported lightsaber may dampen the wry comedy of that moment. (Not that it was like, “actual lol” funny, I just think the beats of the KoR’s silent reactions and his shrug were near-perfect originally.)

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#1379994
Topic
The Last Jedi Reforged (Released)
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StarkillerAG said:

macesmajored said:

One thing that stood out to me was Hux going from a frantic “OPEN FIRE” to being calm and collected just a couple shots later. It’s one of the only things that stood out as a potential “acting continuity” error. Not much to do there if you are keeping with all comedy removed in that scene though- so I do understand.

That was in the original version, though. All the trimming occurred before the “OPEN FIRE” line.

Haha, and so it is. I hadn’t revisited the theatrical cut (or any cut of TLJ) in some time! Also wow, I thought there was an interim reaction shot of Hux, or another exchange prior to “he’s insane.” It’s just never flowed perfectly there I guess.

Now that I have sat on (one watch of) this edit a bit longer, I do think the only thing that feels wanting is the lack of Admiral Holdo. Poe’s “that’s Admiral Holdo?” exchange cutting right into the next Rey/Luke scene feels a bit jumpy. And the fact that we can’t explain the shift of focus from Leia to Holdo as Resistance figurehead because… nothing has happened to Leia in this cut.

All that said, there’s probably nothing to build Holdo up as more of a character prior to her self sacrifice without having direct references to the mutiny plotline, and almost everything that comes out of her mouth is just being a bullheaded and low caliber leader. I think my conclusion on this is wishing there was more deleted scene wiggle room on what the Blu Ray supplied.

This may be my preferred version of TLJ now, though, honestly!

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#1379749
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

And Cinefy, I do plan to see about putting that extra Qui-Gon line in there, but when the ghosts are all chattering earlier.

Maybe get rid of one of the Jedi voices that don’t have a purpose being there (Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli, etc.)

+1

(And I am a consumes all Disney canon/ consumed nearly all of the Legends EU geek) they… just don’t really do anything for me. I dig most of the major film Jedi and Kanan + Ahsoka voiceovers.

Although I would add a Temuera Morrison line to mesh with this one fan film where a Clone Trooper awakens to his Force powers. … 😄

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#1379748
Topic
The Last Jedi Reforged (Released)
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This edit is great! I didn’t think the TROS trailer music would function, but it really does! Especially in the final act of the film. I sorely missed Finn, didn’t really miss underwritten Rose Tico.

I also think there’s room for other editors who’d still want to include truncated versions of Leia being blown into space, and the subsequent Canto Bight and/or mutiny subplots to use this as a base.

One thing that stood out to me was Hux going from a frantic “OPEN FIRE” to being calm and collected just a couple shots later. It’s one of the only things that stood out as a potential “acting continuity” error. Not much to do there if you are keeping with all comedy removed in that scene though- so I do understand.

Again, outstanding work!

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#1379626
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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This was a nice conversation to begin with, but +1 on the anti-sequel spam not being the most welcome, ugh.

I have mixed feelings on the sequel trilogy, but a lot of people love them unabashedly. It’s cool to hate all three, just… not everyone does. Just the truth.

And to respond to Broom Kid way back RE: the story group- I know they are just glorified canon timeline checkers, but I always WISHED they steered the creatives in any way, shape, or form. Or were even given a suggestion box? lol

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#1377082
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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LesPaul32 said:

https://youtu.be/54WFSXE1DyE

Here’s a pretty good resource of Oscar Isaac voiced Poe lines. Would any of these work?

Hal I’m sure you already listened through that whole mess of Disney Infinity Poe Dameron lines, but the shouted “Defensive formation!” at 11:08 and “The faster the better!” at 11:20 seemed like they could be maybes to my ear?

Tonality and vocal quality could easily cause it to not work like the TFA lines, I’m sure… But just a thought. Or just use some of that grunting improvisation at the beginning. Heh.

I think it really does work the way you laid it in with the new shot and doesn’t require full removal of Poe’s line, even if a suitable addition can’t be found.

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#1376214
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

Also, who has a good pre-hyperspace jump sound for the ice wall moment? I haven’t found the right one yet.

There’s a smorgasbord of Falcon sounds in this Battlefront 2 cinematic at 2:26.

https://youtu.be/gRiGUcUQwEY?t=145

Not a lot of music to muddy it (other than the last second of the sub-light drive kicking in or so), maybe something there’s workable if layered with the rest of the sound in that moment? It’s tough to find isolated cockpit interior effects without a ton of the soundtrack mixed in. (Hopefully there are better options out there!)

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#1375920
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

I don’t mean to sound dismissive, but I don’t think that that awesome trailer music feels right in the context of the movie itself at all.

I see what the intention was with that edit, as that trailer music has great scale and scope to it, but something about it deeply clashes with the context for me.

Musically, I don’t think it works because it sounds so close to just being the opening fanfare re-orchestrated a bit. It almost gives me like an overly meta, diagetic feeling.

To be honest I don’t personally love it when that “fanfare” theme pops up for the civilian fleet’s arrival either, or when YODA’S leitmotif is slotted into Luke lifting the X-Wing. (These are smaller quibbles, and they seem pretty inextricable from the materials editors have to work with on this given the theatrical cut.) This mock-up with the trailer music, and those other two moments, really stand out to me as choices that are just out of character for what John Williams did with the musical language of the other 8 films. imho

Anyway, I’m off on a tangent now.
+1 for what you’re saying Hal, I like what’s currently in workprint 5 in that spot.

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#1374557
Topic
The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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I believe the fault lies with Disney and the make-believe “Lucasfilm Story Group” that they created for not mapping the trilogy and their new expanded canon (at least roughly) as a whole, back in 2012 or 2013 during/after the LFL purchase. It’s primarily Disney’s fault that the new TRILOGY as a whole doesn’t function better.

I get a lot of enjoyment out of the sequel trilogy and Disney canon, but with A LOT of asterisks. IMHO, as messy as TROS is, some of it could have been mitigated in editing (which some fine folks are doing on this very site). The main problems with the core of TROS seem to be with Chris Terrio and J.J. retconning Last Jedi stuff and leaning on fan service as a whole, all the while likely not being able to utilize anything from Trevorrow’s drafts because they would run into Writer’s Guild problems with crediting the story, and as far as I can gather there are massive egos at play with Kathleen Kennedy and J.J… Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Trevorrow leaving the project (maybe fired by Kennedy?) made it pretty “scorched earth” for not using story beats he mapped out. Some of which were pretty great. The new statements from Daisy Ridley and John Boyega really confirm the weak, rushed, scatterbrained production of TROS as well. But all things considered (production time, Trevorrow leaving, and Carrie Fisher’s untimely demise) it really could’ve been A LOT worse. I think (some of) the angrier fans among us don’t really want to acknowledge the factors they were up against, even though J.J. and co. didn’t all rise (pun intended) to the occasion on this film.

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#1374323
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hal 9000 said:

CarterStarkiller said:

Hal 9000 said:

For anyone who would like it, here’s the ending scene with no added music. (The video track is compressed, but the audio is not.)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ol5gOj66ASm93SRLx7YrnGfgifSc0y_9/view?usp=sharing

Previously on /post/id/1371613 of this thread I found the end notes from the Star Wars Rebels epilogue can act as a bridge between the TFA cue and the TROS end credits to add more of the familiar jolt for those not quite satisfied with the current workprint audio. Using Hal’s shared “ending scene with no added music” and Final Cut Pro X, I added and synced the TROS end credits music with the clip, then I synced the end notes from Rebels, then I added the TFA cue. I don’t have the phenomenal TFA cue fade in from bbghost so I just did my own simple crossfade for this proof of concept. I’ve added the shared clip with my audio as well as a screenshot of what I did in FCPX to my google drive folder. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dYFzUxQSHDRQq3m67gEhQJs8IRPJavl9?usp=sharing

Note: This isn’t meant to be used as final audio, this is only a concept/test. If someone with more audio editing wants to use my idea for their own edit/audio track go for it.

I don’t think it works to have that much added to the end, as I feel the transition from the final note of Rey’s theme into credits works just fine. However, I will play with adding a slight hint of it and see if that makes it better. Thanks for including the audio files you worked from!

Fiddling with a slight hint of it might be a good idea, imho- the only two notes that actually feel like a good blend/transition, for me, were the very first two notes of what was layered in for the mock-up (right in the spot Carter put it). It creates a better harmonic resolution when we’re hit with the first notes of the credits fanfare.

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#1374141
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Brewzter said:

Has this been brought up?

https://vimeo.com/405275046

At 0:16 there is a cut extended shot of ships flying when Lando’s fleet arrives. So good! The place I just found it says it even has the Fireball (!!!) but I can’t find it. This shot in the movie is about 2 seconds long with a clip of Poe saying “Hit those underbelly cannons, every one we knock out is a world saved”. Given that the extended clip here is about 10 seconds long and the Poe clip is poorly/weirdly spliced into the shot in the original movie, I figure the audio of him saying it could just separated and then placed over the extended shot 😃

Wow! I was unaware of this shot. That lack of sound effects is a bummer, though. Really could help the visual tempo in that part of the climax, and lends a tiny bit more of a sense of geography to a battle that really has very few landmarks and internal consistency.

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#1372768
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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jonh said:

V2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18a2L-J2DoSwCi7gJBnv3kTJe0YgQJHPy/view?usp=sharing

Can we fit an Anakin ghost in the shot? And a Yoda ghost? And a Qui-Gon ghost? A Han ghost too?

Kidding. I love this addition, and V2 is great as a final for me. Robe and hair don’t look any iffier than Leia to my eye, although there is maybe one moment of judder with Ben, from the match move tracking on the push in. Stunning work, jonh !!

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#1372684
Topic
Solo: A Star Wars Story Edit (Released)
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I like that list of changes a lot! Have you done any re-rendering in regards to the (imho) muddiness and low-contrast look of the theatrical cut?

I truly can only stomach Solo edits when there have been multiple attempts to brighten, fix contrast and color. (I don’t mind dark and gritty like Rogue One’s aesthetic, just… this film took it too far.)

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#1371369
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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bbghost said:

I’m sorry to keep banging on this drum Hal, but the Duel of the Fates cue during the Death Star II fight still feels very tacked on and out of place to me. It doesn’t really seem to add anything to the scene, in fact the sedate nature of the cue kind of detracts from the tension overall, and from the following music that’s in the theatrical version.

Just like in ESB during Vader and Luke’s fight, much of which had score that went unused, it makes the appearance of the music when Kylo emerges from the waves all the more impactful and ratchets up the tension in the fight. A possible compromise could be to fade out the music after the crescendo where Rey does her backflip, so that the Final Saber Duel cue can have its entrance, but even then that crescendo in the DotF cue doesn’t match that moment particularly well.

I’m not sure what other people’s thoughts on this are but I’d be keen to hear them, apologies if I have missed a bunch of discussion on the topic already.

+1 (I know this has been discussed at length before, but I agree with most of the above)

I think the current work print is a massive improvement, but musically that section is just low energy, and the prominence of DotF in the current mix almost makes it sound like an afterthought or error.

bbghost, I think the main constraints were not wanting to lose the existing sound effects and environmental mix, and the overall length of the existing footage. I really, really want DotF to FIT properly in this scene, but other than Hal (or somebody else, he’s busy) mocking up some cuts of other options featuring the Episode I or III score, it seems to me the best option may be to remove it and go with something closer to theatrical version.

It’s definitely not bad in any sense, but that mix mellowness, especially in what I can detect as the mix’s center channel, just isn’t completely hitting it for me. (Again, I really really want it to work.)

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#1366672
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Cinefy said:

I really hope Naboo/Theed shot doesn’t get cut.

I like the Naboo shot being in there for a more direct link to the PT, but agree with others that it kind of sticks out compared to the other (gorgeous) additional/altered shots throughout the film.

If the speed of the destroyer’s surface explosions weren’t a little off (they’re too fast, right? And we don’t know if there would be frame rate issues if the explosion elements are slowed down?) …I would say many folks with a bit more effects knowledge than me would possibly be able to fix it by adding in a few more layers of explosion and particle effects that are moving at a speed more consistent with the scale being depicted in the other “falling destroyer” shots.

I am a fan of the Theed shot too though, and would be sad to see it go!

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#1366064
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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I agree with Broom Kid. I imagined a slight rolling bulge (heh) or wave more than that much static or movement on the surface of the blade.

That being said, full re-renders are a pain, especially the type of deformation I was imagining. However I do still like what’s there in Kewlfish’s WIP clip, because the thing was ripped in half… so either way could make sense.

Anyone mind hitting me with a DM link to the latest workprint? I’ve been lurking on and off, and now I am at least a version behind (and curious to see the latest).