It’s all the “waiting on others” stuff in the OP, right? And the handful of things that are “maybes” that he’s thinking on?
SO EXCITED for the new version. The amount of work that’s gone into this film to get it from a “WTF” watch, to pretty damn good is staggering.
Anybody with access to this edit (and thread notifications on), I’d love a PM so I can check this out!
If anyone has personal access to, or is hosting this edit (and has thread notifications on), I’d be interested in a PM to view it!
I am super interested in this as well! I reached out to Shamook a while back and didn’t get a response (possibly just that they are busy or that it’s a pretty large YouTube channel now).
If someone successfully gets in touch or directs Shamook here we should maybe alert people here? I’m betting since these deepfakes started dropping on YouTube (and I agree, Shamook’s are often the highest quality) that they have gotten a deluge of emails and DMs from fan editors! Probably would be a help not to have a chunk of the forums here spamming them.
If you use video game footage, capture at whatever the highest frame rate the game/capture source allows, then have the editing program interpret the footage as 23.97/24fps. This will make it look slow-motion. Then speed it up and use optical flow. That should help get rid of some of the frame rate issues.
+1. I would also say that the capture should be done on a next-gen PC graphics card (or PS5 or Xbox Series X) with all of Battlefront II’s textures, film grain, ambient occlusion (etc…) maxed out (if possible. Does PS5 or XBox have a ray tracing patch for this game??).
In addition to my eyes immediately noticing the framerate being weird, the black values are very different in the game footage (I think a couple people have already chimed in with making it have more contrast, and darkening shadows).
The last major problem for me, (which possibly can’t be remedied) is that the textures on the various rock faces around the cave look spotty or low-res in certain areas, especially on the right side of the image. This rock looks so SMOOTH and CLEAN compared to other physical “rock” (styrene or otherwise) we catch glimpses of in Ajan Kloss scenes.
So, obviously I am real iffy on it, but I absolutely love the idea of even 2 seconds for the audience to breathe being added here.
The way the beginning of the Mustafar Minute is currently assembled gives the transition such a visually smooth feel (pesky tree details aside) that it feels like a final to me, too. I’d be worried about new tree elements match-moving properly to such a dynamic shot.
I think to a layman or even die-hard fans who haven’t been looking at this over and over, it should read just fine. The quality that this community strives for is astounding though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if someone adds even more polish!
Since you reminded me, I went ahead and replaced the DOTF snippet with the actual OST in higher quality. I put it in place where it was, and extended it backward to the beginning of the track.
What do you guys think? Too heavy?
Great improvement, Hal! Close to perfection and not too heavy, could even be a little more prominent in the mix, but I know there’s been a ton of back-and-forth on that here already.
Cinefy, I may slightly prefer your version of the cue at this point simply because the music is given more time to play out. The looping you utilized doesn’t stick out at all with the atmospheric sound effects at the levels they are now.
This is an edit I just put together to fully integrate Shamook’s Deepfake Luke into the Mandalorian scene.
If you download it, it looks way better.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Au-HC69I8V-IW7glUkiPBB9Kg3Cv8e2O/view?usp=sharing
Such an upgrade! Corridor Crew just released their crack at a better deepfake as well, and they started from scratch (!) for all his shots excluding the final 2 or 3.
The face is gorgeous on Corridor Crew’s attempt, but their actor is wearing a bulky, shiny-fake wig that isn’t styled right. I still think integrating Shamook’s work is the smart move if you can get your hands on the resolution you need, Smudger!
So, jonh, you said Sebastian Shaw wasn’t working for the ghost scene… did you create a sort of WIP beta test, trying to paste his face on the ghost body? I’m really dying to see any sort of Shaw ghost in this, lol. Even an extremely rough looking, flat image of Sebastian Shaw on the ghost would be good enough for me at this point or something. Seeing as I’m probably the most anal about it, (and the one with the least amount of technical know-how on creating something like that) I’ll really take whatever I can get!
And yeah, Hayden does have more of an on-screen relationship and better established deceitment and betrayal with The Emperor, and that is more poignant and everything, I fully understand and admit that. But Hayden just does not personally do it for me in such an important scene as this, I’m sorry. I would personally rather the spirits not show up at all, rather than have Hayden there, especially beside old Luke. If I’m being really extreme. (Yeah, I’m one of THOSE purist guys.) But I know that’s just completely whining, and I’m sorry I keep kind of preaching to the choir about this.
Uh, +1. (Although I’d still rather have ghosts than no ghosts, since I have been acclimating to Hayden-ghost since 2005)
For anyone still following along or taking opinions on the Skywalker saber’s new effects, I am into Max Noise and Full Unstable as well, HOWEVER in the sample clip, I can feel the rhythm visually of when the effect loops back up the length of the blade. Something about the larger, bolder blade effects look a little more fan edit-y even though I prefer them and I think it’s because Kylo’s…randomizes (?) faster and has another pass (or two or three) of particle effects on top of the initial noise/irregularities.
Additional note, I’m around to send audition recordings for any editors trying to get more impression Kylo clips, if anyone reads this far. (PM) It seems to be a running ask for folks who want to amend Exegol and Kijimi dialogue!
Things that make me say, “Yooooooooooooo” (a curated thread-relevant list):
So excited for the next version, everyone working on this is awesome!
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but there’s a gorgeous (but still imperfect) deepfake already up for THAT character at the end of The Rescue. Definitely should reach out to this person for a copy of their master file. The overall look, eye reflections and skin texture were vast improvements for me.
Shamook is a blessing.
You’re so right! I can’t believe there aren’t more edits of Rogue One (and even Solo) that incorporate his work. I know the resolution of the render can be a problem with deepfakes, but the jump in quality is too big for me to not desperately want this.
And swapping in Shamook’s Luke is the smallest potential deepfake edit job we have now, other than fixing Leia but not Tarkin in R1.
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but there’s a gorgeous (but still imperfect) deepfake already up for THAT character at the end of The Rescue. Definitely should reach out to this person for a copy of their master file. The overall look, eye reflections and skin texture were vast improvements for me.
Google drive recently patched the copy feature. If I remember correctly they only let 1TB be downloaded for a specific file in 24 hours.
What a bummer! It appears none of the usual Drive download workarounds are functioning for me either. I can always wait a bit more, hopefully in a week or so the download rush has subsided! 😕
There might be some lines to steal, but the voice cast members who aren’t from the films really stick out sorely.
I’m a very tall dude with a naturally baritone, nasal timbre voice like Driver so I’d be up for auditioning for a “Nobody” edit, and there’s a few YouTubers who do fantastic Adam Driver impressions as well. I do agree that cut-ups of Driver’s performance from the LEGO game and the films should be utilized at all costs though.
+1 on “There are more of us,” Hal, but also +1 for this being an Episode 6 at best.
PMs sent to all whos asked 😉
Doing the Whills’ work! 🤣
Many thanks to those who sent the PMs!
I tried PMing the OP about 4, 5 months ago and have yet to hear back, guys.
If anyone happens to have a link (and has notifications on for this thread), count me as one of the interested parties as well!
Re: Audio transitions and overall leveling, I watched in browser on a Lenovo through Chrome w/ Sony Studio monitors and had no issues.
Also popped print v. 6.1 into my home theater with 5.1 and although a couple transitions are maybe… ever so vaguely muddled, I still think everything is super ready to final. (What you are fiddling with now Hal, the additional trooper voice processing, Rey’s volume, are valid nitpicks though thanks for all the attention to detail!).
I would have liked for Ep9 to follow TLJ’s lead in Rey’s identity as she would forge ahead with building herself up as the heir to the Jedi. However, if they want to have her struggle with inner darkness, I think TROS on its own as a film benefits more from having a Palpatine lineage than what it would be if we removed it via fan editing.
Arguably, though, I took the opposite approach to handling ROTS by undercutting a dramatic punch for continuity with ROTJ. But even then there are both versions available.
I like the “what? how?” moment personally, and it was one of the choices in the voice pack. I thought it was less on the nose than “oh, that’s not fair.” I think it’s good to have the KoR say something on Exegol because that’s the only time in the movie that we hear the vocalizations that axlanian and krausfadr worked to match (as they get beaten).
That’s the KoR getting beaten, not axlanian and krausfadr. I’m pretty sure they weren’t under any duress while working on that.
Oh yes, the “oh, that’s not fair” was too campy/silly. By far. Maybe for my personal taste, I’d imagined a one word reaction, like just “what” “how” “wait…” or “no!” or something. It might be because I have been looking at this material without the KoR VO for so long.
Yes, to poppasketti you listen! I can live with either, especially with how much work has been done to repair the film on this site. I understand both opinions, but I am in the Rey Nobody camp.
Just checked out workprint 6.1, the Knights of Ren “surprised” voiceover work when Ben reveals the lightsaber is somehow not hitting right. There’s nothing in the KoR voice pack, but I think if you’re feeling there must be something there instead of silent physical reactions, Hal, I think something as simple as a deadpan “no” would work great (a la Agent Smith when he’s caught off guard by the helicopter and minigun in The Matrix? Anyone?)
That doubled use of “traitor” being corrected makes me feel more on board with the VO work for the Knights of Ren. After checking out a little of that voice pack, I do like vicrul’s “You’re a disgrace” a lot as well, but much like “Knights of Ren.” / “Ghouls” there isn’t much space to get anything to read with music, effects, and how quick the original cuts are.
Speaking of “Knights of Ren.” “Ghouls.” did anyone ever try recording the word “zealots” or “madmen”? I know the word cultists features in a First Order officer line just a few shots later, so “cultists” couldn’t be used. (Feel free to ignore this tangent, I have read a bunch of the thread and know this has gone round a few times)
With the quality of this workprint alone, I am super excited for kewl to finish that saber work and Rey Nobody cut to happen. This makes me so much happier than the theatrical version!
The KoR voice project had different options for dialogue, so I just picked the ones I preferred. And some I didn’t use at all.
The ice wall audio is super tricky and convoluted. But I will revisit it again and see if there’s anything else I can do. Knowing that it sounds like the music drops out helps! Perhaps dropping in a little bit of music that halfway matches would help.
I am really loving workprint 6! Such great work. Haven’t checked out 6.1 but I have KoR notes if there were no significant changes there.
Love the addition of “traitor” but if there are any more takes with a “rebel scum” level of disgust and hatred in the voice acting it might punch more? (It did stand out to me, that duplicated audio for traitor but I am reading you already resolved that in 6.1)
I don’t think anyone has said this yet, but I feel like the “what?” / “…how?” KoR VO when Ben reveals his teleported lightsaber may dampen the wry comedy of that moment. (Not that it was like, “actual lol” funny, I just think the beats of the KoR’s silent reactions and his shrug were near-perfect originally.)
Is there a link to an workprint or working render of this? I’d love to take a look if someone can drop me a PM. (Bit confused by “Released” in the thread title because some of the most recent posts make this sound unreleased)
(EDIT) Just trying to bump this up again if anyone has a link, very curious to take a look at this!
One thing that stood out to me was Hux going from a frantic “OPEN FIRE” to being calm and collected just a couple shots later. It’s one of the only things that stood out as a potential “acting continuity” error. Not much to do there if you are keeping with all comedy removed in that scene though- so I do understand.
That was in the original version, though. All the trimming occurred before the “OPEN FIRE” line.
Haha, and so it is. I hadn’t revisited the theatrical cut (or any cut of TLJ) in some time! Also wow, I thought there was an interim reaction shot of Hux, or another exchange prior to “he’s insane.” It’s just never flowed perfectly there I guess.
Now that I have sat on (one watch of) this edit a bit longer, I do think the only thing that feels wanting is the lack of Admiral Holdo. Poe’s “that’s Admiral Holdo?” exchange cutting right into the next Rey/Luke scene feels a bit jumpy. And the fact that we can’t explain the shift of focus from Leia to Holdo as Resistance figurehead because… nothing has happened to Leia in this cut.
All that said, there’s probably nothing to build Holdo up as more of a character prior to her self sacrifice without having direct references to the mutiny plotline, and almost everything that comes out of her mouth is just being a bullheaded and low caliber leader. I think my conclusion on this is wishing there was more deleted scene wiggle room on what the Blu Ray supplied.
This may be my preferred version of TLJ now, though, honestly!
And Cinefy, I do plan to see about putting that extra Qui-Gon line in there, but when the ghosts are all chattering earlier.
Maybe get rid of one of the Jedi voices that don’t have a purpose being there (Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli, etc.)
+1
(And I am a consumes all Disney canon/ consumed nearly all of the Legends EU geek) they… just don’t really do anything for me. I dig most of the major film Jedi and Kanan + Ahsoka voiceovers.
Although I would add a Temuera Morrison line to mesh with this one fan film where a Clone Trooper awakens to his Force powers. … 😄
This edit is great! I didn’t think the TROS trailer music would function, but it really does! Especially in the final act of the film. I sorely missed Finn, didn’t really miss underwritten Rose Tico.
I also think there’s room for other editors who’d still want to include truncated versions of Leia being blown into space, and the subsequent Canto Bight and/or mutiny subplots to use this as a base.
One thing that stood out to me was Hux going from a frantic “OPEN FIRE” to being calm and collected just a couple shots later. It’s one of the only things that stood out as a potential “acting continuity” error. Not much to do there if you are keeping with all comedy removed in that scene though- so I do understand.
Again, outstanding work!
This was a nice conversation to begin with, but +1 on the anti-sequel spam not being the most welcome, ugh.
I have mixed feelings on the sequel trilogy, but a lot of people love them unabashedly. It’s cool to hate all three, just… not everyone does. Just the truth.
And to respond to Broom Kid way back RE: the story group- I know they are just glorified canon timeline checkers, but I always WISHED they steered the creatives in any way, shape, or form. Or were even given a suggestion box? lol
