littlev87

iamweasel said:

I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Why not just film a brand new scene, all that is needed is a prop light saber?

For anyone looking for a Anakin voice double, sorry if this guy is already known. I’ve never heard of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrPPj3e2M-M

Valheru_84 said:

The thought did surface for myself when writing my earlier post, that having defeated Vader Luke is now free to challenge the Emperor so you wouldn’t have thought it a logical choice to instead through away his lightsaber in defiance. The fact he does do this though speaks subliminally that he knows he is no match for the Emperor and simply accepts his fate. It could be he had already felt how strong the Emperor was, as it’s already well established by then that force users can detect how strong another person is in the force.

Overall I think the main intention was simply for Luke to find himself again after defeating Vader when he realises their main goal is to turn him. He then decides he’s not going to kill or continue to fight his father and he’s not going to turn to the dark side. So defiantly he basically says the Emp has failed and to either kill him now or let him go as he’s not going to play their game full stop. It’s definitely an interesting scene to debate.

.Val

Really good point about the force sensing, that didn’t occur to me, but it makes sense.

ray_afraid said:

He realizes that fighting isn’t the way. If it costs him his life, so be it, but he’s trusting the Force now and not himself. That’s the “leveling up”.
Like many elements of ROTJ, it’s murky and not perfect and not everyone will agree, but that’s my take:
He either tosses it because he’s just ‘moved past it’ so to speak, or he’s just being stupid. 😉

I think this is a great addition to the idea of sensing the emperor’s power that val mentioned. I think Luke definitely believes in the “will of the force” like how he jumps, potentially to his death, in cloud city.

Overall it seems to be the throwing of the saber is purely symbolic, because up until this point, if I recall correctly the only jedi specific tool Luke uses as a weapon is his saber. Its his way and the directors way of showing he will no longer partake in being egged on by the emperor, and refuses to fight, because he knows its the only way the emperor can take control of him.

Honestly though, I can’t imagine why Luke would ever have the mindset to permanently throw away his saber. Its symbolic of his journey in learning the force. Its the only thing that ties him to the jedi teachings outside of his own mind.

He may or may not have his saber in TLJ but as an old master I think light sabers are irrelevant. I wish they wouldn’t have been relied on so much in the PT especially yoda and palps. Really waters down their characters.

(just remembered luke used force choke on the guards at jabba’s, so that might kinda negate my point)

Valheru_84 said:

ray_afraid said:

To me, he was saying “I don’t need this anymore.” He’s grown past it.
"You’re weapons, you will not need them."
Otherwise he just threw it to look cool. And that’s silly.

It’s not the biggest deal, and certainly a minor thing in the list of fixes Jedi needs.
Also, this is a fairly simple thing to fix, so if I’m alone on this I can do it for myself I suppose.

Interesting take on his motives though to me they seem pretty illogical and disconnected from what actually happens on screen. It does kinda make sense now with your view on him collecting his saber before leaving but I still wholey disagree with it.

Here is the scene: https://youtu.be/PqaiKmm8gsY

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Emp: walking down the stairs “cackle Goood…cackle. Your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfil your destiny and take your father’s place at my side”

Luke: sees the potential truth in the Emp’s words, having used his anger to defeat Vader and now can see a symbolic replacement of Vader already in Vader’s now missing mechanical right hand while Luke clenches his own in realisation he was already starting down that path. He had been warned numerous times about the dark side, never thinking he may actually be susceptible to its sinister lure and this snaps him out of the moment, realising he is being manipulated and forcibly reasserts his inner calm, remembering who he is - a Jedi. He says “Never.” as he turns around, turning his lightsaber off and defiantly throwing it away as he stands tall and walks without fear towards the Emp. “I’ll never turn to the dark side.” he says, preferring to die a Jedi than live on as a Sith pawn as all he holds dear is destroyed. “You failed your highness, I am a Jedi, like my father before me”. He waits, to see what fate now holds for him, as a Jedi…

Emp: “So be it…Jedi” SCRRCCHHHH! 😛

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Probably didn’t need to play out that entire scene but no where in there do I see or feel anything about growing past the need for his lightsaber and I can’t make any sense of that in context to the scene. It’s not like he thinks upon defeating Vader that he’s ascended to a higher level and could fight the Emp without his saber like Yoda does in the PT. To me, his action is in direct relation to what he says at the time - “Never”

True if he picked it up again while the Emp was still alive then on both accounts it was a worthless guesture, but him retrieving it afterwards does not take away at all from the scene I described above.

.Val

It always seemed to me that it never occurred to Luke that the emperor had the kind of power he has (lightning). That the emperor was a manipulator, and not necessarily a offensive force user. Thus he posed no direct threat to him unless Luke gave into the dark side. That’s what obi wan and yoda always warned him about. You would think they’d tell him, “hey, by the way, the emperor can shoot lightning from his hands and kill you.” I think it was intentional that they never mentioned the emperor’s power to Luke because they didn’t want him to become a tool of the emperor, by going into the confrontation with the mindset of beating the emperor by physical force alone. It seems that the use of aggression is a step toward the dark side. I believe they thought the only chance Luke had to beat the emperor was by will of mind alone. I know that doesn’t really give a good example of how he would then beat the emperor, but it seems that losing Luke to the dark side would be a worse fate than death.

Not that I’m arguing but he can’t sue OT.com because I posted a link to a publicly uploaded file. Anyway I knew there were some tensions there, but felt this was very relevant to the discussion and needed to be seen. Mods do what you will, I have no skin in this game.

EDIT:
Its really a shame how this forum and others are littered with extremely talented people that apparently find it impossible to work together.

I’ll just leave this here…

https://aggeiw.deviantart.com/art/Put-K2SO-in-the-title-Cassian-said-I-had-to-704007528

NeverarGreat said:

Okay, here it is:

https://mega.nz/#!nANTQIyA!GIPUDnr6LBjarR0PegKZ7j-kQqIvTX5E1N1R6fDDsZY

I’m pretty happy with it now. 😃

I’m sorry, why was this change made?

Thanks

https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/5u1dys/i_spent_the_past_year_teaching_myself_how_to/

edit: maybe you could recruit this guy for the project

NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a new version with the lightsaber shot. 😃

https://vimeo.com/200702407
Password: music

wow, the music timing is better than the theatrical.

NeverarGreat said:

Okay, I can see what can be done with the sunset battle idea in full.

While watching V1, my friends and I were discussing a possible edit that hasn’t been mentioned here, so I’ll just mention it: Poe’s survival and arrival at the battle could be more surprising/emotional if his introductory whoop was moved to just after Finn yells “That’s one hell of a pilot!” Then it could quickly cut to “Don’t let these dogs scare you”, so we keep all of his dialogue. Just an idea to chew on.

+1

natedeug said:

littlev87 said:

When Padme is in her queen garb and is talking in her “low formal voice” redub her with a different language that is subtitled. So essentially when she is the queen she only speaks in the “traditional Naboo dialect.” might be able to use this to change some of the politics of the TPM.

Not that this is a bad idea, but the redubbing has to stop somewhere, right? In OT, subtitles and other languages are used sparingly, but enough to immerse the viewer in the idea that this is an alien place. Now you’ve got the Neimoidians redubbed. And Jar Jar redubbed. And the Queen? Feels like a quarter of the film at that point would be making use of subtitles. Which would not be enjoyable.

Yeah I agree with that. But none the less it is still an option, especially considering she has much less dialog as the queen than jar jar. Also I think Jar Jar or the neimoidians could be redubbed with english speaking people and still be somewhat accurate with the mouth movements. But you do make a good point.

ImperialFighter said:

littlev87 said:

I would certainly love to know more about his prequel changes.

littlev87, you can get an idea of some of the planned revisited prequel changes here, if that helps - https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/ptr-facts/

(but time enough to go into all that when the revisited prequel thread(s) appear here eventually)

The Wampa is coming along nicely by the looks of things I see. Great stuff!

Unfortunately I’ve read that already, but thank you. I guess I should have phrased that differently. I meant to say I would like to know more beyond what has already been listed on the website. I just can’t see how they can be fixed without major re-writes. Anyway, I’ll save it for the proper thread in the future, thanks again though.

adywan said:

And the painted Wampa mask placed (roughly) onto the inner skull. Now to finish painting the mouth and then start applying the fur, paint and attach the horns and finally glue the mask to the inner skull

So will you be wearing this? How will the mouth be operated? Will there be any articulation for the face?

Thank you.

When Padme is in her queen garb and is talking in her “low formal voice” redub her with a different language that is subtitled. So essentially when she is the queen she only speaks in the “traditional Naboo dialect.” might be able to use this to change some of the politics of the TPM.

doubleofive said:

littlev87 said:

adywan said:

ImperialFighter said:

I’m looking forward to that eventual ‘saga’ trailer too! I’d forgotten about that.

That’s likely to be after ESB:R comes out now.

sorry if I missed it but what exactly is the “saga trailer”?

thank you

It’s a trailer featuring potential shots from all 6 Revisited edits.

So Ady is making a trailer highlighting the bigger changes he plans to make to the rest of the saga? Definitely exciting but I hope it won’t detract from getting them finished. I would certainly love to know more about his prequel changes. I’ve been trying to rewrite TPM for years using as much original footage with minimal changes, and it seems to me the only way to make it a great movie would be to recast anakin and roto him into every shot. Not to mention create a lot of new shots to rewrite his back story.

Thank you.

adywan said:

ImperialFighter said:

I’m looking forward to that eventual ‘saga’ trailer too! I’d forgotten about that.

That’s likely to be after ESB:R comes out now.

sorry if I missed it but what exactly is the “saga trailer”?
thank you

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’s true this edit is narrowly focused, but I don’t mind discussion of scenes and dialogue closely related. There was some discussion a while back about whether to remove, “Those beasts,” or, “They’re here.” I think the idea was removing, “They’re here,” avoids having it look like no one told Maz about the impending attack.

I understand. But I don’t see how removing “those beasts” would affect anything (unless you’re removing both lines). I get how removing the latter line would change it, though I’m not sure removing either is necessary with the current lone star destroyer solution, as that doesn’t necessarily imply an impending attack.

I don’t think it matters whether those lines are in the edit or not. I don’t feel like it changes anything. Though my opinion is to leave it with just the “they’re here” line. Those beasts is just kinda redundant.

Also I don’t get the impression that her saying “they’re here” means that she wasn’t aware of the attack, it comes off more like “we’re running out of time”

I would like to see what can be done with the ending of the movie to add more weight to the loss of the republic. Even in the theatrical cut there is almost no reaction from anyone.

Sir Ridley said:

Thank you! I might be able to make it sound better, but I would need a better audio clip of Boyega saying something similar (the “ound” sound for “found”, especially). I found a clip where he said something about “five pound” that I used for this, but it was not ideal, so if anyone can find a better audio source I’d be happy.

It might also work better with a different musical cue, as some suggested. Any ideas about a part of the score which could be used here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zcfN1RMDU

2:19 - pounds
12:21 - sounds
29:08 - found

all in his english accent but might work for the redub.

MWilson said:

littlev87 , good stuff! Did you modify videofred’s script?

I did not create this content, it was stuff I found on these boards, and saved the links.

I wish I had the computing power to do any of this. I was working with AE several months ago, but it was glitchy and had to keep redoing the same roto over and over again, and I eventually gave up.

^…^ said:

I started also to work to scene cleaning, desert storm, in particular: it’s really difficult to get rid of all those big scratches without losing details… I must find the right compromise, not an easy task. Treadwell is worst, the first shot is really hard; but I guess it could be easy to reuse previous/next frames (or part of them) to remove residual dirt. Now, if someone has cleaned some deleted scenes, and would like to share them, it will be a great help for the project!

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Deleted-Scenes-Reincorporated/id/13512/page/9

scroll down there are two daily motion clips, you may be able to use them…

https://vimeo.com/46543033

PASSWORD: OT

I’d love to watch this, can you send me a link to the edit?

Thanks

MWilson said:

littlev87 said:

MWilson said:

Hi! First post. I would be more than happy to colorize the deleted scenes from V and VI. (When Applicable)

Do you have an efficient method for doing so? As I understand it, it takes entire studios to do this sort of thing.

Thanks

Sure do, I use avisynth scripts to start and then I adjust and correct with photoshop.

Can you do a small test of this, I’m really interested in what is possible? Maybe a scene of the deleted rebel pilots from jedi or the extended han leia kiss from empire?

Thanks

MWilson said:

Hi! First post. I would be more than happy to colorize the deleted scenes from V and VI. (When Applicable)

Do you have an efficient method for doing so? As I understand it, it takes entire studios to do this sort of thing.

Thanks

Any chance once all the clips are collected, cleaned, and or colorized, could be all put together in one file and uploaded some where?

thanks

not sure if you count this as a deleted scene, but I don’t remember it in the final movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAW9VEjZDs

at 1:14 anakin and obi wan exchange lines out side of the night club on coruscant.

also isn’t there a scene which padme puts coverings on 3PO thats is briefly shown in one of the behind the scenes docs?