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#68075
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68075/action/topic#68075
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I haven't purchased my copy yet, so wasn't aware of that... but if true, that is a very valid point, Hellboy.

According to the Federal Trade Commission's website: "The FTC looks at what the ad does not say - that is, if the failure to include information leaves consumers with a misimpression about the product. For example, if a company advertised a collection of books, the ad would be deceptive if it did not disclose that consumers actually would receive abridged versions of the books." So I think there's a very valid claim to be made.

Personally, I think that there's a lot of this going on in the DVD industry... a friend of mine noted that his Happy Days Season One set doesn't have a disclaimer on the outside of the package that music was changed in some episodes (though there is a disclaimer on the inside of the package). Such disclaimers should be visible to the consumer before he purchases the item.

Of course, the only result of this would be either a recall of the Star Wars DVDs from stores (as Paramount did with its release of Star Trek: Generations) or a label to be affixed to each package.
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#66479
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66479/action/topic#66479
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Please be honest and quote fully and honestly, I wasn't talking to you, I was responding to Bossk.


Since it was a new paragraph and I was the one who invoked the "winky" in the first place... and even first used the term on this board, I thought they were two separate thoughts, one expressed to Bossk... another to myself.

My apologies.
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#66449
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66449/action/topic#66449
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Let's try that again, shall we (I got booted as I was about to prepare this post this first time around)


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I love the "winky" defense, I can already see what a disastrous lawyer you're going to be. Please don't pull degrees in the discussion, because it's making you look even more ridiculous.


I never claimed to be a law student. Again read what's written.

As for your comments about the "'winky' defense," as you put it, you'd have a point if I made a statement, then later retracted the statement by saying, "Oh, I was just kidding." Instead, I was upfront about the humor from that very first post.


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Thing is, I'm not saying you guys were willing to seriously file a lawsuit, but you were seriously thinking this was either a great or doable idea. What makes this even fantastic, is that some of you are supposed to be law students!!!


That's how you learn... by asking questions... pondering the unponderable. If you choose not to expand your knowledge, then fine... that's your right. But I think that attitude is much more illustrative of a pathetic society than anything we've been espousing.


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Look at your replies, please, I know you're going to say "just kidding", but everybody knows better.


Then there's little point in engaging you in conversation, isn't there? I mean, if you're going to believe what you want, despite assertions, claims, and denials that you can't possibly dispute because they're not your thoughts, then what's the point? And I think this anti-social behavior is much more demonstrative of someone residing in a parent's basement.


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That my argument doesn't hold water, you can't say that either because as you point out, we don't know the sales numbers. But even then, we all know that more than likely these DVDs are going to be bought by huge numbers of people, and there's nothing that indicates that a significant number of these people won't buy them because they're not the original versions.

If you believe these modified versions are going to result in greatly reduced DVD sales, then it's up to you to prove your point...


Do you read what you're responding to? Or do you engage in pick and choose the parts that suits you and ignore the rest? Just because he believes your claims are unfounded doesn't mean he believes he holds the opposite to be true. In fact, he stated that your conclusions about the popularity of the DVDs is "wildly presumptive" and that we should "wait for a week" before making a determination one way or the other.

What's funny is that in the rest of your rant, you're repeating what he already stated... If memory serves, Bugs Bunny used the same tactic to prompt Daffy into telling Elmer, "It's duck season! Shoot the duck!" Is that what you were going for?
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#66442
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66442/action/topic#66442
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Originally posted by: ElCapitanAmerica
Bossk, you made me laugh, thanks.

I love the "winky" defense, I can already see what a disastrous lawyer you're going to be. Please don't pull degrees in the discussion, because it's making you look even more ridiculous.

Thing is, I'm not saying you guys were willing to seriously file a lawsuit, but you were seriously thinking this was either a great or doable idea. What makes this even fantastic, is that some of you are supposed to be law students!!!

Look at your replies, please, I know you're going to say "just kidding", but everybody knows better.


Gundar's reply was more intelligent;

That my argument doesn't hold water, you can't say that either because as you point out, we don't know the sales numbers. But even then, we all know that more than likely these DVDs are going to be bought by huge numbers of people, and there's nothing that indicates that a significant number of these people won't buy them because they're not the original versions.

If you believe these modified versions are going to result in greatly reduced DVD sales, then it's up to you to prove your point. Nothing indicates the general public even knows there are great differences between the versions in the first place! Geez, we have people here complaining about the sound mix! That should tell you that these are the type of fans, that while dedicated and attentive to detail, are not representative of the general public.

But we'll see ...


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#66407
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66407/action/topic#66407
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Originally posted by: ElCapitanAmerica
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Originally posted by: liondagger

In addition, you admit you are curious about the legal ground for this, it's very simple and I'll save you time ... THERE's NO BASIS FOR IT.



Jeez, dude... relax. I mean, why the vehemence?

And you'll forgive me if I choose to listen to more qualified experts on this matter.

But if this ever did wind up in a courtroom, I will be sure to not include your name in the class.



NOTE: That was a "smiley," indicating my last statement was delivered with humor.
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#66348
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66348/action/topic#66348
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First of all, I never suggested, much less stated, that Lucas can be forced to release the original trilogy. In fact, I state in quite plain English that that he "can do what he wants with it," which isn't all that different from your statement that "he can do as he pleases."

Second, from a purely technical standpoint, the original Star Wars has never been released on home video, as the earliest home video versions are from the re-release (with Episode IV in the title)... to say nothing about the alterations made to the sound to adapt to technical advances in home theater systems for the later releases.

Finally, I guess I keep forgetting that not everyone is familiar with the basic rules of netiquette (or perhaps they don't read things in their entirety... too many words, perhaps...? Talk about "arrogance and stupidity"! Anyway, I've digressed...) But while I am certainly curious about the legal ground from a hypothetical standpoint, the "winky" at the end of my post was meant to suggest that my tongue was quite firmly in my cheek.
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#66090
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66090/action/topic#66090
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As fans of the original trilogy, the best we can be is extremely disappointed that Lucas won't release the original trilogy on DVD. Like it or not, he owns the property and can do what he wants with it.

But as CONSUMERS of a product that Lucas marketed, apparently knowing that it was an unfinished work, we should all be OUTRAGED. That is information he withheld from us when selling the films to us in the first place. According to his current interviews... he knowingly sold us faulty merchandise.

The fact that we were satisfied with the merchandise is irrelevant. Someone else may come up with a better analogy, but say I bought a car that was advertised as having a particular engine. Now, I don't know anything about engines, so I trust that the engine in my car is what I was told it was. And I am quite happy with the car. Then years later I discover that the car didn't have the advertised engine at all... shouldn't I be upset, and wouldn't I have grounds to demand recompense?

Aside from the statute of limitations on false advertising claims, I am curious if there's legal precedent or grounds for some kind of action on works of art like motion pictures.
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#65989
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Class Action lawsuit?!?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65989/action/topic#65989
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In a recent interview posted at CNN.com, George Lucas is quoted as saying: "It's like this is the movie (the Special Edition) I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it."

Setting aside the outright arrogance inherent in that statement... I don't recall the original trilogy EVER being marketed as an unfinished work... not when they were first released, not when they were released on VHS, not even when they were re-released the THX-certified home videos. Lucas has made BILLIONS off a product he now claims he never felt was finished, in his eyes. Nice of him to tell us AFTER we shelled out our money for it.

What's the statue of limitations on false advertising? Any lawyers out there willing to open up a class action lawsuit? I know where you can find a list of clients. ;-)