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#1477343
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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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Emre1601 said:

That is very well reasoned and concise post. I personally do not like ROTS much, but am happy to see others post they do and explain what they enjoyed about it.

thank you very much! my love for ROTS reaches near obsessive levels, but i really don’t consider it objectively good. and seeing what people like about these movies and why is always interesting, even when you don’t necessarily agree

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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Emre1601 said:

I agree with NeverarGreat’s take on your post above, this was a well articulated read and put me in your shoes a new a new fan coming into Star Wars, and experiencing a whole new trilogy.

seriously thank y’all so much, i’m glad i was able to convey my perspective on the trilogy as a newer fan and have people understand where i’m coming from

I hope you like fan edits and hope you can a version of TROS that may appeal to you. Hal9000’s TROS edit is very well liked, addresses many issues fans had with the conclusion of the Sequels, though there are many other TROS edits too. I appreciate it is not the same experience, but hope you can find a version of TROS you do like and serves a more fitting ending, a better resolution.

i haven’t previously delved into fan edits but i was curious and have recently recieved the links to Hal9000’s edits. that it’s so well liked is exciting to hear, im really look forward to seeing what he did with TROS. and thank you, i hope so too!

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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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NeverarGreat said:

That is an excellent articulation, kyberangel! It’s also nice to see love for TFA here, since for many people it truly did serve as a great introduction to the series, something older fans such as myself can forget. That just makes the end of the trilogy all the more soul-crushing. The new generation of Star Wars fans deserved to get a ROTJ or a ROTS instead of the mean-spirited waste that was TROS.

thank you so much NeverarGreat, i’m happy that i was able to get my (incredibly complicated) feelings across! newer fans tend to run in completely online different circles than you guys so i wanted to share my perspective a bit!

and you’re right on the money, it was soul-crushing because for me, these were my star wars movies. it made the way that TROS just… stopped caring about the story or characters that introduced me to it’s universe to begin with feel particularly devastating. mean-spirited is exactly the right word choice for that movie.

ending on a ROTS or ROTJ is the stuff of dreams, but i can only hope that maybe one day finn, rey and poe get the disney+ treatment and recieve a proper sendoff

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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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TFA was how i fell in love with star wars. i know a lot of older fans like to rag on TFA for being “too similar” to ANH but it’s the movie that made me, a then-15 year old girl truly see why people adored star wars. it was pure fun, with likeable and charismatic characters you enjoyed seeing and left wanting more of and action that made me breathless. i ADORED the new trio especially. finn and poe’s instant camaraderie & finn and rey’s sweet friendship were both lovely, fresh dynamics for our main cast. and i know people aren’t fond of rey, but i loved her quietly stubborn, scrappy additude and slight naïveté. TFA is the movie that truly kickstarted my star wars obsession. its not a perfect movie narratively, and its definitely obvious they had no plan at all but its everything people like about star wars distilled into a movie, made with love.

i hated TLJ at first but grew to appreciate it more upon rewatch, though i still view it as an insanely mixed bag. its highs were astronomically high and its lows were so, so low. let me say the good things first; TLJ is the first star wars movie with clear thematic storytelling and metacommentary on the nature of heroes, failure, the force and the place of the jedi. i like how johnson wanted to challenge what our idea of a star wars movie is. its also the first (and so far only) star wars movie with a hyper-distinctive visual style. i appreciate how the shots are a bit more artistic than what we usually see in action blockbusters. rey’s parents being nobodies was an inspired narrative foil to luke’s own parentage reveal in ESB. luke’s arc was truly special and him dying as the noble, selfless hero we know him to be was deeply moving. onto the bad side of things; i got the sense that rian johnson knew exactly what kind of story he wanted to tell with rey/luke/kylo, but had no clue what to do with finn, poe or even poor rose. the canto bite subplot brutally misunderstands finn and poe’s characters, and does the strength of the trio a major disservice by seperating the two of them instead of building on their relationship. rose was nonsensical as a love interest for finn, he would have legitimately been better off with either rey or poe if he needed a romance. this subplot was TLJ’s biggest mistake, as 2/3s of our main trio have either has their development regressed (finn) or personalities changed altogether (poe). their plotline actively brings the whole movie down, which is even more egregious since they are two of our main leads and should be of EQUAL IMPORTANCE to rey. in the end TLJ is just frustrating to me because its effectively half of a phenomenal movie and half of a movie i just cannot stand.

ROS makes me angry, but also sad. sad because it truly felt like an entirely soulless, corporate movie in a way the others never did. i can’t even be mad at jj abrams because according to the cast and crew, most of the disliked changes came from disney executives and abrams had no real power on the creative decisions being made. the only good things i can think of in this movie are that we get to see the main trio finally interact as a unit, and their exchanges are charming as usual. if i listed what i disliked i’d be here all day. its so obvious this movie was just made to appease the biggest amount of people so they could make money. there wasn’t any love there anymore, and you could tell the actors were deeply saddened about the way things went. ROS reversed everything good TFA and TLJ did to give us a truly forgettable finale that actively hurt both the sequel trilogy and public interest in star wars.

in the end, the sequel trilogy is missed potential for me. even a middling series can be good if it sticks the landing, but something about ROS just makes everything else in the trilogy ring hollow. its just depressing to think about

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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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i view it as a series teeming with phenomenal ideas that were marred by execution. an ambitious story with a lot to say politically, written and directed by a man well known since the OT to be less than stellar at dialogue and no longer as interested in actor direction as he was VFX technology (which isn’t an inherently bad thing, i just think he should have hired a writer)

i think its main downfall was lucas’ overindulgence. the OT was as good as it was because he was still relatively unknown and therefore had people (his wife, the actors and other crew) who weren’t afraid to curb his worst impulses and touch-up his rough dialogue. in the PT he had full creative control and massive industry sway; people weren’t about to tell THE man who invented the action blockbuster “no”. a notable example is a lot of hayden christensen’s disparged acting choices being to be a result of him, an unknown theater actor, wanting to please george lucas even if he thought anakin should be acted a different way.

that doesn’t mean there weren’t moments of brilliance, or that things didn’t improve as the trilogy went on. revenge of the sith is the obvious high point, with both the opera scene and the back-and-forth between anakin slaughtering the trade federation while palpatine overthrows a democracy before the senate’s very eyes being particularly inspired.

(“so this is how liberty dies. with thunderous applause”, is the most metal line said in star wars ever george kinda went crazy no lie)

ROTS is my favorite star wars movie, but that doesn’t mean i think its the best one. i can appreciate what good the prequel trilogy has and still acknowledge the ways it missed the mark.