kk650

kaosjm said:

Beber: I stand corrected. Your link is dead but luckily I still had the image on my phone and just referenced it. You are correct... the 35mm print I saw had much more yellow to it and was not as orange as this:

I apologize for the confusion.

What you are describing sounds similar to the regraded Terminator 2 release I did, it looks more yellow and less orange in that scene as well. Here's a screencap from that scene taken from my regrade:

I don't really have the free time available to be fulfilling individual requests. The only way I could make this work is with some sort of poll setup where I can get a idea of what releases people are most interested in having 1920x1080 encodes of and start from the top, slowly working my way down. Anybody know if this site supports polls?

@Funcha: That is something I have been wondering about myself lately. I know from experience that encodes with the top and bottom bars cropped always look better in terms of image quality than 1920x1080 encodes of the same bitrate but I appreciate that a lot of you like creating playable blu-ray discs that need the encode to be 1920x1080 for you not to have to reencode. If I start releasing 1920x1080 mkv releases on tehparadox though, i'll have everybody on top of me asking why i'm sacrificing image quality by not cropping the bars like all the other mkv releases do.

It really is a dilemna. I'm just glad that with my regraded IMAX releases like Interstellar and Guardians of the Galaxy I don't have to worry about it because those have to be encoded in 1920x1080. I wish that sony, microsoft and other manufacturers of blu-ray drives would get their act together and allow mkvs to be played natively off their players, it'd make everything so much simpler.

As a general rule, i've found doubling the bitrate pretty much maintains the image quality, so if you create bd-50 1920x1080 reencodes of my 22gb cropped mkv regrades, they should look pretty much the same in terms of image quality and they would be playable straight off the drive. That would be one solution.

Another solution of course would be me also creating 1920x1080 encodes of releases i've already done but that would take a great deal of time with the amount of regrades i've completed and I wouldn't know which releases to start with. Perhaps if I set up some sort of poll listing all my releases, then everybody could vote on which releases they'd want me to create 1920x1080 encodes of first? This sound like a good idea to anybody?

@jimbotron235: I have no problem with you using my regraded Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition release so long as you give me credit for the regrade and name my regraded release as your main source.

I have the hdtv transport stream that has much better image quality than the DNRed official blu-ray so if you need certain parts, let me know and I can provide those for you.

Alternate shots are used for Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton in the theatrical cut, I imagine there are other alternate shots but none come to mind. You can find a detailed description of all the changes below:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=765

Danfun128 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

There are a couple scenes in the theatrical that aren't in the extended. Gimli's "These are the elves. We should go back." comes to mind.

That is a good point. Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton is also quite different between the two cuts.

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

Not that i'm aware of. What de-greened recut of the extended edition are you planning to use as your source, the high quality hdtv transport stream that was floating around a few years back or something else?

Looks great! The colours are definately better than the blu-ray. Agree that the magenta needs to be dialed back a bit though.

crampedmisfit1990 said:

I gotta ask... why take the time to fix a film's color timing only to create a encode less than full 1080p HD??? Or are the files correctly color timed in full HD and then down converted for easy download?

By full 1080p HD I assume you mean 1920x1080 blu-ray compatible resolution? My regrades have exactly the same resolution except with the top and bottom black bar cropped, as is standard with 1080p mkv releases. They are cropped at the same time as they are regraded so there is no down conversion, no loss of image quailty.

From my experience a cropped mkv encode always has noticably better image quality than a 1920x1080 encode of the same size. There is also the matter that an mkv file has better compression than a m2ts file, a 20gb mkv file converts without image quality loss into a 22gb m2ts blu-ray file to fit on a bd-25. If you write the cropped mkv release to a bd-25, that 2gb lost can instead go towards the bitrate of the mkv release, making it a 22gb mkv encode that you can write onto a bd-25, with once again noticably better image quality.

So the difference in image quality between a cropped mkv regraded encode that fits on a bd-25 and a 1920x1080 regraded encode that fits on a bd-25 is pretty big for those two reasons, at least from my experience. For a guy like me that streams films from his laptop onto his TV, its a nobrainer to create cropped mkv regraded releases where the image quality is much better.

Glad you enjoyed it. What I did with the Man of Steel regrade was remove the blanket tint across the whole film and increase the saturation using a single setting, not selectively regrade certain scenes to my preference.

I agree that the scene that you mention in the army bunker is quite extreme in terms of colour grading but it seems perfectly consistant within the colour scheme that has been created for the film by Zack Snyder, it is a creative decision by him and his DOP so I want to preserve it exactly as it is, whether I agree or disagree with his choice doesn't really matter. I maintained the same brightness and contrast for exactly the same reason, I only change those when something has clearly gone seriously wrong, like with the Star Wars Original Trilogy blu-rays.

I see the purpose of this regrade of Man of Steel as enhancing Zack Snyder's vision of the film rather than enforcing my own.

Darth Lucas said:

Then I suppose you could do a color correction on the bd to more closely resemble the dvd so that the edges aren't as noticeable. I just feel that if the EE DVD color is what we're shooting for, this would probably be the best and most accurate way to accomplish this.  Even slightly cropping the BD, while not ideal, would still be better than crappy colors. 

I agree. Far better to have a slight crop of the blu-ray and 100% accurate EE DVD colours than no cropping and 90% accurate colours IMHO.

jedimasterobiwan said:

kk650 said:

zee944 said:

kk650 said:

Sorry about that! To be honest I hadn't noticed before reading this thread either. I'll take that as a yes for changing the wheel colours in those shots.

I hadn't notice it either. But, if someone wants to be pedantic, it's not just the wheels. It affects the whole picture.

I imagine that if I selectively change the colours of the wheels in those shots, it'll quite likely fix other parts of the frame that have had a similar shift in colour. I'll experiment and see what can be done.

 so your edit is going to be a complete color correction then?

 Yes, with hopefully selective colour grading for the skateboard wheels in those few shots to make them colour consistant with the rest of the shots.

zee944 said:

kk650 said:

Sorry about that! To be honest I hadn't noticed before reading this thread either. I'll take that as a yes for changing the wheel colours in those shots.

I hadn't notice it either. But, if someone wants to be pedantic, it's not just the wheels. It affects the whole picture.

I imagine that if I selectively change the colours of the wheels in those shots, it'll quite likely fix other parts of the frame that have had a similar shift in colour. I'll experiment and see what can be done.

jedimasterobiwan said:

when will it be up? also is there any bttf 2 and 3 dcp if not will you be able to do a fix on them someday?

I'd probably say the 8gb release of BTTF should be up in around 2 weeks on tehparadox. Depending on whether its popular or not, a larger release will come out soon after.

I don't know if there are high quality DCP versions of BTTF2 and BTTF3 to be honest. Its not something i've looked into because I don't have any plans to take BTTF2 and BTTF3 up as projects at this time but perhaps at some point in the future.

towne32 said:

kk650 said:

Getting back to Back to the Future, I'm planning to regrade the DCP to match the colours of the DVD release. From what I have seen of the DCP, there is no need for dirt or scratch removal IMHO, the transfer is clean and the grain is very nice.

What I would like to know is what everybody here thinks about the skateboard wheels changing colour in those few shots. Is that a deal breaker for some of you or do you not really care? It'd be a little more work but I could probably change the colour of the wheels back in those few shots without too much difficulty. Should I do that or leave it as is?

 Well, I must say I never noticed the skateboard wheels until today in this thread, curse you all. :)

But now I'll always see it. A fix would be neat but it's up to you!

Sorry about that! To be honest I hadn't noticed before reading this thread either. I'll take that as a yes for changing the wheel colours in those shots.

jedimasterobiwan said:

kk650 said:

Getting back to Back to the Future, I'm planning to regrade the DCP to match the colours of the DVD release. From what I have seen of the DCP, there is no need for dirt or scratch removal IMHO, the transfer is clean and the grain is very nice.

What I would like to know is what everybody here thinks about the skateboard wheels changing colour in those few shots. Is that a deal breaker for some of you or do you not really care? It'd be a little more work but I could probably change the colour of the wheels back in those few shots without too much difficulty. Should I do that or leave it as is?

 are going to fix things like skin tones etc.

 Yes, that is one of my main priorities.

jedimasterobiwan said:

kk650 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

ilovewaterslides said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

the dcp version is what i'm talking about not the blu ray to make it look like the blu ray but without any of the dnr and have it color corrected.

 The dirt and scratches on the BD were badly removed, look:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=843&y=94&action=1&image=4&hd_multiID=958&cap1=37257&cap2=37253&disc1=4005&disc2=874&lossless=#vergleich

The only positive thing about the BD is the corrected skateboard wheels issue.

 then how about someone does an edit of the dcp that's better than the blu ray? color correction and the dirt and scratches.

If you had some experience doing these sorts of projects you would know that removing all the dirt and scratches from a film is very time/labour intensive. The way that you ask others to do all that work for you in such a blase manner like it was the easiest thing in the world is what rubs people the wrong way and causes people like Andrea to ignore you.

I never want to ignore anybody because I feel like its a very cruel and abusive thing to do but you don't make it easy with some of your posts. I suggest that you take Andrea's advice from the fanres thread and do some research of your own, bring information to the table like screencap comparisons showing what you think that film should look like, make a case for why its a worthwhile project THEN make a request for just that ONE film, you are far more likely to have your request taken up.

 i'm not trying to demand anyone to do it i was just asking if no one wants to do it i understand

I'm not trying to be mean to you and I apologise if I came off that way, I just want to be honest with you about how you come across in some of your posts. I appreciate that you might not realise how some of your posts come across and I don't believe you are intending to offend or be disrespectful.

In future though, when you want to make a request, take heed of Andrea's helpful advice and do some of the research and legwork yourself, make your request with something concrete in mind, like emulating the colours of another home release with screencaps you can provide or removing a blanket tint, rather than just saying that you want a film regraded and providing no details of HOW you want it regraded, you will find your request is far more warmly received.

Funcha said:

Now for the real challenge. Can you regrade the 3D version? :)

hah, regrading the 2D version of Man of Steel was challenging enough for me. You offering? :)

The 3D blu-ray.com review does say though that the 3D release of Man of Steel is pretty flat and that the 2D release is the one to go for.

Getting back to Back to the Future, I'm planning to regrade the DCP to match the colours of the DVD release. From what I have seen of the DCP, there is no need for dirt or scratch removal IMHO, the transfer is clean and the grain is very nice.

What I would like to know is what everybody here thinks about the skateboard wheels changing colour in those few shots. Is that a deal breaker for some of you or do you not really care? It'd be a little more work but I could probably change the colour of the wheels back in those few shots without too much difficulty. Should I do that or leave it as is?

jedimasterobiwan said:

ilovewaterslides said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

the dcp version is what i'm talking about not the blu ray to make it look like the blu ray but without any of the dnr and have it color corrected.

 The dirt and scratches on the BD were badly removed, look:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?art=part&x=843&y=94&action=1&image=4&hd_multiID=958&cap1=37257&cap2=37253&disc1=4005&disc2=874&lossless=#vergleich

The only positive thing about the BD is the corrected skateboard wheels issue.

 then how about someone does an edit of the dcp that's better than the blu ray? color correction and the dirt and scratches.

If you had some experience doing these sorts of projects you would know that removing all the dirt and scratches from a film is very time/labour intensive. The way that you ask others to do all that work for you in such a blase manner like it was the easiest thing in the world is what rubs people the wrong way and causes people like Andrea to ignore you.

I never want to ignore anybody because I feel like its a very cruel and abusive thing to do but you don't make it easy with some of your posts. I suggest that you take Andrea's advice from the fanres thread and do some research of your own, bring information to the table like screencap comparisons showing what you think that film should look like, make a case for why its a worthwhile project THEN make a request for just that ONE film, you are far more likely to have your request taken up.

I've received a request for the 22gb regraded release of Man of Steel I did that includes the DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 audio track so i've just uploaded it to myspleen. Here are some screencap comparisons for those interested:

Blu-ray 1:



Regraded 1:



Blu-ray 2:



Regraded 2:



Blu-ray 3:



Regraded 3:



Blu-ray 4:



Regraded 4:

@jedimasterobiwan: I'm not taking requests at this time but I'll keep ghostbusters and ghostbusters 2 in mind for the future when i've got less on my plate and consider taking them up as projects. I can promise no more than that.

Well, personally I can clearly see the difference on my TV so it does affect my viewing experience. The difference in colour is particularly noticable on my big monitor.

This is why I regrade primarily for myself because everybody has different colour sensitivities and overall colour/fleshtone preferences. In this case my colour preference for Back to the Future pretty much aligns with the DVD release colours so that's what i'll be regrading to.

zee944 said:

Is there a comparison somewhere between the DCP and DVD version? I never really compared them myself, but looking at them independently they both looked fine to me.

You can find comparisons between the DCP and DVD releases on caps-a-holic.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Maybe it could also be taken in consideration the option of using the laserdisc as reference to color correct the DCP...

I don't know what the laserdisc colours look like, can you post some screencaps Andrea?

Pretty much agree with zee944 about the two screenshot comparisons, the original screencaps looks better in both IMHO for pretty much the reasons he stated.

In terms of the DCP's colours though, I don't agree that the colours are fine, I personally find everything too red. The colours of the DVD release are much better IMHO so one of my next releases will be the DCP transfer regraded to closely match the colours and fleshtones of the DVD release of Back to the Future.