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#103601
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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well, Since the last time a was able to get on this board I've written a dissertation, defended it, & will graduate this sat!!

But last week I've been able to spend some time with this project again. I captured all of SW but somewhere in the process I'm losing my surround sound. I'll be playing with this tonight to figure it out. Does anyone know if converting the orginal uncompressed audio to the mpeg layer 2 audio (384 bps) affects the surrond sound encode?
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#78274
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Mpeg encode ??
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so I get this stuff coverted from a 3:2 pulldown to a 24fps progressive stream & now I'm going back to a 29.9blah stream by redoing the 3:2 pulldown. I've noticed that this is now 29.9blas fps and it is all progressive frame unlike what I started with which had those 2 nasty interlaced frames.

Is the only piont in this conversion, filtering and encodeing?

What are the benifits of jumping threw some many hoops?

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#78260
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Mpeg encode ??
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This is weird. When I encode this stuff with CEsp I get the same frame rate I put in 23.9blah.

Well, when I try to import those mpegs into DVD studio 3 it say non-standard frame rate & won't let them in. Same thing in TMPGEnc.

When I use compressor or change the frame rate in CEsp to a 29.9blah frame rate they come in just fine.

What's the story & how is this going to effect my audio sync?
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#77724
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***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
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Sorry I haven't read your whole thread, Have you tried that spot remover filter for virtualdu?. I toyed with it and if you dial it way back it seems to only remove spots that shouldn't be there. I was thinking if there is a way to associate a hue (blue, white) and a frame length (1 or 2) it would only remove the rot spots from the video.

Maybe not, I'm going to email the programmer to find out.
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#77663
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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Hey MeBeJedi,

"& what is the deal with that slight ghosting around the right side of vaders face?"

Too much sharpness applied. Boundaries are made more distinctive, but gradients are lost. This creates a sharp drop between light and dark areas.


I didn't aply any effects to this shot DE Shot A & all my capture settings are set to a lossless capture?

I've seen this on everyones shot A unless it seems to be to hot/bright.

Is there someway to deal with this with a during the capture process? I paused the frame at this shot on the LD ( I realize this isn't an accurate representation of the frame) but the slight ghosting on his head is present even on the LD.
Could this be a product of using the s-video output?
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#77638
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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Are the all interlaced frames duplicate frames?
In other words, does this process get rid of any frames that the movie needs?
OR is generating these 2 interlaced frames all the telecine process is about?

I'm a bit confused by the process even after a good deal of research.

If you have 30 fps and you remove essentially 12 (2 of every 5) interlaced frames that doesn't equal 24 fps (it = 18fps)

Anywho, This info is most promising.
I wish I could have put this process together from all the crap I've read.
I guess I'm just not used to restoration work. All I have ever done is 3D max, after effects, media 100, and DVD production.
This project is literally working backwards first before I can move forward.
Once I get the cadence change in each movie I'll post the exact frame it takes place at so on.




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#77610
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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I'm more than disappointed in this process. Deinterlacing is presenting noticeable image distortion especially if the frame has horizontal lines. So far, I used every filter available and a host of software packages with almost every adjustment imaginable & I'm not pleased with the results. In my opinion, Blending is a poor method for handling deinterlacing. On the other hand, interpolation doesn't do that go of a job either. So far I have found no method to reproduce the quality the MSU filter "SEEMS" to be getting. Of course, you can't get theirs for a year??

The best results I've had are as follows:

Use Virtualdub: Frame Rate:IVTC adaptive.
**This seems to remove a large amount of the interlaced frames (their removal is base on them being duplicate frames)
**My source is showing 2 of every 5 frames is interlaced ( I assume this is standard for telecined video)
Then I use this filter for the remaining interlaced framesDeinterlace - area based
**As with others it has a Show deinterlaced areas only option that will quickly show what is being monkied with.
**I like this one the best because I can really get it to do, what seems like, the least amount of damage. Also, the setting I'm using only seem to mess around with a handful of pixels on the frames that do not require any deinterlacing.

Is there a way to get a deinterlace filter to just adjust the interlaced frames & then MAYBE apply the VirtualDubs IVTC to remove the duplicate frames thus removing a good bit of the frame that were originally interlaced?

I know a lot of people doing this process have suggest a variety of deinterlacing filter but this far after using them I have not been very impressed. I'm almost to the point of only using color correction & sharpening filter that handle interlacing a producing an 24 fps somewhat interlaced version.

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#77445
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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First capture / Raw / Not very impressive:
Shot A - RAW
I noticed my white levels were a bit blown out during the capture. That might explain a slight reduction in detail.
Also this is using the S-video outs on a DVL-91. I'm going to try the composite to see if that will help the detail.
I noticed that Zions shot A had a bit more detail in the back of that stormtroopers belt but lost a bit in vaders face.
Is this a trade off or a result of the capture?
& what is the deal with that slight ghosting around the right side of vaders face?
I had the media 100 bringing in 300k per frame so it can't be a result of the frame quality.
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#77007
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Best IVTC filter/program & lossless compression codec??
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MeBeJedi, THANKS a ton!!

It looks like I'm better off staying in 4:3 until I'm ready to crop & run some filters. I haven't seen that forum before. Very usefull.

Actully, given me & most of my friends have plain jane 4:3 TVs I'll probally do 2 versions (4:3 & animorphic).


Has anyone tried MSU codec for lossless compression?

This would allow me to easily store the raw footage on a 100 gig drive. That would be amazing!!



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#76914
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Best IVTC filter/program & lossless compression codec??
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The MSU guys say because thier deinterlacer was developed with SamSung it will be a year before it is availble for general public use

Well, Friday Night I'm going to play around with capturing some frames of the SW LD. Media 100 has a 16x9 option. I'm going to give it a try.

Has anyone used Cleaner for ITVC. I saw this mentioned somewhere. We have it but I've never looked at it for these purposes before (as all we normally do is NTSC video at work)?
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#76766
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Best IVTC filter/program & lossless compression codec??
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Check out this link. It shows that using a blend method among others will give you a ghosting effect in the deinterlaceing process.

Deinterlacing Filter Tests

What type of deinterlacing in the IVTC process is everyone using (e.g. blend, bob, etc)

Also,
CHECK this link out, it is the best deinterlacing filter I've come across:

MSU Filter

I just emailed them about a release date.

& this 8 to 1 lossless codec (I've never seen anything like this, not even squeeze give this ratio)

MSU LOSSLESS CODEC

FYI, I haven't tested this codec yet but will very soon.

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#76450
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Dark Empire Collection - OT LD to DVD set (* unfinished project *)
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Just got my discs & dvl-91. I'll be doing some testing this week.

I have a few questions:

Do you guys think the composite out or s-video or will be best for this player. (I'll test both)

What software do I need to deinterlace my video(is it free - Link??)
AE has this built in but I bet it's not as good as what you guys are using.

I'll post some unfiltered deinterlaced images asap.

I'll probably be doing 2 sets as well (16x9 & letterbox)

I noticed my capture machine captures at 16x9. I'll test this feature as well.