+1 to that rationale.
Maybe take the words You and Pull and combine them in a sense, so its more of the “ull” sound, so it has the same “timing” as the original You word?
I think the issue is the speed of it, since you are trying to add a line in between his current dialogue. It’s tough since I do hear a sound, kind of like a “uh” sound, but its so fast it makes it kind of jarring since he is making a quick sound/word that comes out so fast in comparison to the rest of his delivery.
I agree that replacing that line “you have his power” would be helpful for the scene since it does still somewhat refers to a connection between her and palps since it specifies “his” power.
EDIT: rewatching it, the line “have his power” may still work. If you are using Hal’s base, the beginning of the movie has changed where Palps tells Kylo about HIS end game … get struck down and him and other Sith pass on to the “striker.” So sure, that line and knowledge Kylo has makes sense.
So because of that logic, it can work. I guess the only minor issue with that … is now Rey has knowledge that if she strikes down Palps, she “gets” his power. I don’t think she should have that knowledge, or thinking, when she confronts palps. Though we the audience knows his “plans,” Rey should go in blind without any of that part information.
Granted that is somewhat minor, but I admit after watching it again and I am assuming this will use Hal’s edit as a base with the change in the beginning, it can work. But it kind of takes away the “surprise” for Rey at the end.
I apologize, I am not trying to turn this into a discussion, but I admit I ranted. I came up with an idea and the rational for it. I am not saying it’s my way or the high way, just giving an idea, discuss it, and move along for editing reasons. I certainly can remove my dislike for the movies, but I still like to at least give ideas for editing purposes for an attempt of a Rey nobody addition.
My argument is not her USING dark side stuff, but the concept of her “turning bad” or joining the dark does not track. She doesn’t have any motivation for it. What would draw her from JOINING it. I am not talking about use of it, since well, she can use it no problem. She already has the power. What’s the temptation to JOINING the baddies?
Leaving that part out and just sticking to the vision of her on the throne keeps it simple without trying to tell the audience “Yep, we are again saying she is tempted, although without any real reason, but for the sake of the story we need to keep poking the bear” So instead, we wonder, like her, “Why would I be on the throne? I don’t want to join that side!” It is a mini mystery until the final showdown. And thus later during the confrontation with Palps … we get the “answer” to that vision. It’s not because she WANTS to join the dark side or has a desire to, but she kind of HAS to in order to stop him. Literally.
That’s what my thought is on it, or a suggestion if that makes any sense. We don’t see any real temptation for her to JOIN the dark side, JOIN the baddies, since she already has the power and doesn’t really have any “skin in the game” to be tempted for it. (Anakin joined up with Palps, the sith, since he wanted the power to save Padme. He went all in. Luke was not so blatant like Anakin in regards to “joining the dark side/bad guys”, but his father was on the Dark side and tried to tempt Luke after he lost to join him because A.) Join me or die and B.) Stop the Emperor and rule as Father and Son. Not sure how tempting the later part was, but there is at least some “skin” in the game since we are talking about his father that would stir some emotions or whatever … could argue if he was part of the rule he could change the empire … but mainly it was a life or death choice was the “temptation.”)
Although I vented, I was being constructive with the suggestion of removing parts of Kylo doing any “dark side temptations” and just focus on her and the throne vision/talk since there really isn’t much real temptation for her character.
I’ll back peddle the sequel rants, but I was giving a suggestion about it. So let’s not play the ignoring the suggestion part and attack me aspect of it thanks.
Thanks for fixing that! Much needed!
Both routes have their good and bad aspects, and it seems the focus on the dark throne is probably the “cleanest” route.
I would NOT focus on the whole dark side thing … or let alone her being tempted so much by it. Because of the last movie … Rey has no problem with the dark. She “dove in” the dark side in TLJ (Water time on the island) with no problem and NO repercussion from it. So there is nothing tempting Rey with the dark in the aspect of “If i start doing this, I will go bad” TLJ threw that concept out. She is immune to it apparently. Plus she has no REAL temptations to join the dark side at all. (The whole throne scene in TLJ with Kylo trying to persuade her to join had me roll my eyes. She JUST MET THIS GUY, had a “moment”, even though the day before he murdered his dad and is part of the space nazi army that has attacked her several times. That proposal was suppose to be tempting?)
If there is a way that focuses on THE VISION of her being on the throne, without Kylo egging her on to join the dark side, even if they have cookies, would kind of help keep the two movies … kinda connected.
I am very much watching this thread since this has been an answer to my wish for true upscaled deleted scenes. Oh boy.
Thanks for the update on this. It’s amazing the weird shinagans that occurs with the official releases of these movies with the coloring/grading/etc. I appreciate the time you are going to devote on this to, essentially, make the movie look good.
Lol, that’s a simple “fix” to not having to use other dialogue. I can get behind that.
I also can get behind Ziggy’s idea of cutting to the star destroyer seen when they identify the neckless. It adds to the “urgency” … at least to the audience … that the crew will need to get going soon since Kylo and the FO is on their way. At least in a more “logical” sense for the audience of an urgency for them to get going.
Hal 9000 said:
Hmm, I don’t know. I think there’s no real continuity issue, as Finn can approach the other two from offscreen easily in that timeframe. Apologies because I can’t remember who off the dome, but someone has the idea to add a few faint footstep sounds to imply Finn is walking over even. The clip you posted, and granted that I’m watching with a hawk eye, feels edited as the dialogue doesn’t match their mouths, especially Rey calling out Poe’s name.
I dunno, I think what we got so far is probably as good as that little scene is going to get.
Does the walking sound help? I couldn’t see I’d there’s better sound clips.
I believe you and believe me that I have NO to ZERO skill and knowledge on actual high end/good/etc. programs. With my pathetic-ness, I’d probably just have these “HD” video clips be on top (no sound) and essentially make sure they synch up with the audio from your edits. That’s basically what I am personally do with what I got. 😉
That’s my only gripe about using those deleted scenes, which SHOULD have been in the movie, but because they were not at HD it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. They do improve the movies very much, but always stick out to me. So with this project, this was my wish from a long time ago … being able to do a proper upscale for these scenes to really make these edits perfect. (For Star War prequel movies despite their issues … but I do enjoy watching them via Hal’s edits.)
I will for sure … should be simple enough to do on iMovie.
Lol, no not at all. My comment was about the idea of trying to remove the Lando scene since it’s weird to “follow a stranger.” It is not too strange in the context of being spotted by a Storm Trooper, a guy kills him and then says follow me. It’s not too strange to track the idea they will at least hear the guy out. The stranger’s first act was helping them out, it doesn’t imply they all out trust him, but at least will check the guy out.
Plus, they got to get out/hide since they’ve been outed. So in that very moment and need to make a quick decision, following the guy who attacked a storm trooper is not a bad choice in the heat of the moment.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
Any lines used during the oscillator attack scene in TFA? Just something he can say to not focus on the canons or the word about canons?
Ok Jonh, that’s your cue! 😉
This is fantastic! Wow! KEEP IT UP! These would LITERALLY perfect some PT edits.
Musically it kind of feels … scattered? Or kind of too mashed up with so many musical tracks. I understand the thinking behind it, I really do, it’s one of those it may sound good on paper, but not in actuality.
I really tip my hat off on all the the work and ideas people come up with regardless.
Chase Adams said:
I would trade a kidney to have that extended shot put back into the film. 😉
The question is … which kidney?
Both options have their pluses and minuses. There is no “right” answer since the bad story telling/writing/character development/prior canon/philsophy has gone out the door in these movies. So the ideas between both versions … Rey Palps and Rey Nobody versions can never be perfect, let alone making sense either which way. Just try to make what works, even if there are still some holes or concepts that don’t make sense … since well, there was no real direction with these movies from Disney … so we all have to already remove the logic or things that make sense to make these edits.
Oh Jonh, that would be a pretty cool concept if doable.
Hal, I listened to the clip you submitted for the lightsaber. I like it. It’s not too strong or weak. Not trying to be a Kylo saber 2.0. With the added visual change, it’ll be fabulous.
As for the whole Daisly Ridley interview … not surprised. Boy Disney screwed the pooch on this sequel trilogy.
I feel bad for all the workers on this. Instead of making Star Wars Movies, they were making movies trying to be Star Wars.
Hal 9000 said:
Hal 9000 said:
Here’s another version of the extra lever shot. I extended Chewie’s grown, which hopefully works, and used a different piece of buffer audio from earlier in the scene that doesn’t have the wind that was causing issues.
Going back to the Poe pulling the lever, this looks great.
That said, Hal, I took your edit and added the sound of the hyperdrive kicking in. The change is subtle but I really think it helps to sell that sequence.
Take a look: https://vimeo.com/455670684/fefe98d1d7
Nice. Could you send just the sound effect?
I like the quick “boot up” sound of the hyperdrive kicking in. It’s the small things that can help.