very nice skenera, that will be very helpful to work with! Awesome job!
I like the idea of adding, or hinting, or whatever about the Dyad thing in TFA since it is later spelled out in TROS. I think it would also satisfy people to understand how she “powered up” so quickly in the movies. Much better explanation then JJ’s response in TFA that she “downloaded” all of Kylo
I am fine with rare abilities or rare things in Jedi, that’s fine. Since Palps himself said it’s such a rare thing which explains why we wouldn’t have seen it in the previous trilogies. A-Ok with that!
It would be better than what the TFA was alluding to of "Light and Dark Side users balance out.
Since, well, it invalidates the previous two trilogies. If there is supposed to be a so called “balance” of Dark and Light side users … then the Rule of Two is invalid if there were 1000s of Jedi before.
And yes, one can say “The total power of Dark and Light, not the number of users” but the movie did NOT imply that at all. It was really portrayed as an individual/person thing as shown in the movie.
I would really love the hint, or even mention of it in the first movie. Just something since it will be explained at the end.
I have an iMac with a built in microphone … not sure if that would provide good enough quality, but I would be more than happy to supply some lines like that.
Doesn’t that happen a lot in the movie already?
Personally Hal, you can almost get away with it without using the Ties. Heck, if Poppa could even just erase the ties and their sound you can end the scene BEFORE the close up of the falcon in lightspeed/just coming out of it. That would be my first choice.
Interesting idea with the editing choices, the cuts and whatnot feel pretty smooth and the music will be the thing to polish, as you have already noted.
However, I kind of have a logical issue with Han calling out … so smugglers can also do the whole force ghost/speaking thing like Jedi? I know Anakin got a “Chosen One Pass” to do it, but Han as well?
I think ROTJ and TLJ already established her force-sensitivity pretty well without her spacewalk.
In ROTJ, Luke tells her of her power and she uses it a couple of times:
“Somehow, I’ve always known…”
“He wasn’t. I can feel it…”
In TLJ, she has a mother-son force interaction with Kylo-Ren just before the bridge explosion, and she connects with Luke from her hospital bed.
I also just want to clarify that I don’t dislike the spacewalk because of how powerful/not powerful Leia is supposed to be. My brain just could never muster enough suspension of disbelief to accept that anyone blown into outer space can survive. I know there are studies suggesting it could be possible to survive for a minute or two, but in my mind, basic logic and storytelling dictates that she should have died. I would feel exactly the same if it were Luke.
I don’t like the head fake of making us think she’s dead and then using the force as a deus ex machina to get her out of the situation. It cheapens the stakes for me. I’m okay with it in Guardians of the Galaxy, because that plays a lot more fast and loose with the rules and is just plain fun (it’s also actually set up better than what happens in TLJ). But in Star Wars, that’s a basic rule of logic that I think should stick.
Preach. Along with that, it totally took me out of the movie … With your mention of Guardians of the Galaxy, that movie/universe is ok with that stuff since … most of it IS meant to be unrealistic and comic book-y. That’s a ok. Star Wars is not meant to be nearly like that.
That was a Guardians of the Galaxy/Marvel moment, not Star Wars.
Will download Wednesday then! (Work Internet much faster than home)
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of … (wonders off)”
Alright! Ready to take a breath? lol!
Looking forward to this version!
It’s at the end of the credits of TPM. Either pop in the movie … or look at this clip:
No need for an apology poppa! It’s such an amazing edit, we can wait patiently!
May the Original Trilogy Force be with you!
I understand what you are coming from Dominic, but we are just going by what the movie presented. Now, you can look at outside sources to help build a picture, but again, I think the topic is what the MOVIE is really showing and implying. That’s where I am in the boat of trying to make the movie explain things without relying on OUTSIDE material to get the “full” picture.
The movie does heavily imply Palps was doing a puppet master thing. To what extent? Hard to say but it really implies Palps was behind everything that happened to Kylo in words … at least. But he strait up does a Snoke and Vader voice … so that also points again toward more control than not.
EDIT: Just saw ROgue’s comment. I do like the idea that Hal had was to remove the Snoke bodies and have body parts to be Palps that helps paint the picture of cloning … parts for him.
I wonder how hard it would be to say something like “I trained him” instead of “I made him.” I don’t know if that is feasible to make it perfect.
• Palpatine literally made Snoke.
• He has multiple clones of Snoke.
• He says he’s been EVERY voice in Kylo’s head, and even says it in Snoke’s voice. It didn’t seem like he meant it figuratively.
Rogue, that was exactly the conclusion I got from watching it. It seems very blunt.
Palps says he made Snoke.
We have a tub full of “Snokes.”
And Palps spoke in Kylo’s mind with all those distinct voices.
So if one wants to go a different direction than that, or to steer it a bit different, changes would HAVE to be made if an edit doesn’t want that.
That would be hard to do in a convincing way, what Chase has done is certainly a more feasible and pretty seamlessly done.
Granted people can try it … but I can personally see attempts at it being more “clumsy” in comparison to this.
LOL, I am already not a fan of the whole “I am all the sith” and “I am all the Jedi” approach Abrams did. But that’s a discussion for a different thread, lol.
Chase Adams said:
Anakin Starkiller said:
I literally can’t tell the difference.
You could be a little more polite. 😕
It happens right after Rey grabs Leia’s lightsaber.
You see some spirit elements pass into her, then she glows and turns blue for a couple frames.
I admit I didn’t notice the change at first either. I think it’s because it was a minute-long clip and I didn’t know where the change was (and it’s a movie I’ve only seen a couple of times at this point). That’s actually a good sign, though, because it means it didn’t look edited.
Now that I see it, it’s cool and subtle! Maybe you could try going a little further so we get more of a sense of what’s happening? 1-2 more spirits flying in? Maybe her eyes could very subtly cycle through a few familiar pairs of eyes? That might be too much, just throwing out ideas!
Edit: not sure about my eyes idea, that’s too silly. but I think the glow could be a little brighter (maybe using an “add” blending mode). Right now it’s more of a blur than a glow to me.
I had the same thoughts and had to look at it. I like subtle things like this. I agree with Poppa’s suggestion to make it a little brighter with a more glow. But, still keep it quick like how it is. We don’t need “BAM IN YOUR FACE REY GLOWS NOW YA’LL!” Just a little brighter with a bit more of a glow blending filter or whatever and you go it good to go.
Oh1zghj man, can’t wait. With Hal’s TFA edit and your TLJ edit … My collection is almost complete.
Oh yeah, that’ll be fun to work on…
So, there are V3 video files posted at the link. However, I am still going through and spot-checking, and to be honest, there may be one or two things I’d like to tweak before announcing a release.
My main concern centers around the audio levels of the Palpatine contact scene. I think the music when the dice disappears from Kylo’s hands is a bit too loud (it’s how the original soundtrack file was mixed for the CD, but I don’t think that works for the film mix).
If any of you would be gracious enough to download the 4gb mkv to help confirm or deny my instinct, I would be very grateful! (this scene occurs at about the 2:11 mark)
I also might want to slightly tweak the fx shot adding the radio monitors over Kylo’s shoulder in the wide shot. Unfortunately that would mean a re-render and encode, which would delay everything by a day or so.
I wish I could just say it’s done, but I’d like to check these things first. Thanks again to everyone for your ideas and help.
Just downloaded it to my computer. (If I get a chance tonight, I may be able to check my home theatre system to get another feel.
On the computer side, at the moment, I think I get what you mean by the volume. It is a bit too loud on spots, one example is the low string cord that seems pretty loud for the scene. Also the musical notes with the dice could be dialed down a little bit. It may be because the scene itself is more of a sombre occasion and feels like someone turned up the volume a little too much.
An added not, though I think on my edit I plan on removing the intro, one does not have to follow the “canon” of a VR Video game.
I am kind of liking the idea of using some of those shots maybe for a Rey vision thing. Hmmm.
But all of that is still kept with what I propose…
Maybe I’ve been wording it wrong, but I’m not proposing that the crawl ends and Kylo is already on Exegol, I’m saying the crawl ends and you pan down to see Kylo using the Wayfinder (already in his possession) to navigate to Exegol. You’d just be excising the parts actually on Mustafar.
My thoughts are similar with yours in regards to the ending of the crawl and the opening scene of Kylo in his TIE with the Wayfinder.
I know HAL wants to keep it as is, which I get, the issue is even if one has the wording alluding to anything, the audience still is wondering “Where is he, what are they doing? Why is the thing here? Who is guarding it, why are they guarding it?”
I feel like the crawl has to be more explicit about it so we understand why Kylo is there, why there is fighting and why the item is there.
The opening is similar to The Force Awakens, however, TFA at least has the guy who has The thing and there is dialogue that revolves around THE THING. For TROS, there isn’t anything. Just fighting and we get THE THING without anything more. That’s why it falls flat for me. To much rushing around. We HURRY FIGHT HERE and HURRY UP FLY OVEER THERE. IT would be better, personally, to just have WE ARE FLYING HERE!
I don’t think it’s quite the same thing, as the visuals make it pretty obvious what the wayfinder is doing before they ever call it that.
That’s a fair point, we do visually see what it does. However, we still don’t get the context of "Why here, Who are these people Kylo and crew are attack, are they guarding it? Why are the guarding it? Where the heck are we? Why is it in some stone box thingy? etc. etc. There are too many unanswered questions.
You can remove all that baggage by having it in the crawl and we see Kylo using it to get his directions. Much cleaner. Or else you have to have long crawl paragraph to shed some explanation.
Oh yeah, it’s go time … soon.
Hal 9000 said:
I’m starting to think that without any other footage or delete scenes to work with, it makes sense to go ahead and tell us Kylo is searching for Palpatine. 😕
Using the “hints” that you’ve used in your TFA and TLJ, as well as Poppa’s edit, there are some little nudges in the last two movies that one does not have to flat out say it in the crawl.