Thanks Sherlock for the term I was thinking, thanks!
Also, JarJar, it’s been too long, he never says anything on the lines of “lesson 3” from the deleted scene?
Hmmm, Well, he says the word “lesson” from the previous films … depends if one could take the word “three” “Third” or “final” could be used.
It would be a, not sure what to call it, but a way to “connect” to TLJ making a connection about ‘the’ third lesson.
Of course the lessons back in TLJ was to disuade Rey from training as a Jedi, or “prove” the Jedi were wrong, but it would be a fun “twist” he plays on the lack of the third lesson (since Rey left) from the last movie and “converts it” to an actual “Jedi good/right” lesson.
Kinda would be a fun play on the whole lessons thing from the last movie.
And then that guy sacrificed his life to get us out of a jam and no one gave a shit. Continued to badmouth and be annoyed at him even after that.
Word.
The writing and character dialogue in this movie is whack.
ThisIsCreation said:
I have a question, the Chewbacca scene on Kylo’s ship has been removed; rightfully so considering it exists to hold our hands and let us know he isn’t alive. Have you thought about removing the scene where C3PO gets his memories restored?
It’s a none issue either way, but there is zero reason for us to worry about C3PO losing his memories if he simply gets them restored so quickly.
Personally I don’t have a preference one way or the other. I mean, he’s had his memory wiped before … so it’s not like it’s a really big impactful thing. Although not remembering the OG group could be sad.
Not at all, I can certainly bring those levels down a bit 😃
Sleep and a life is overrated anyway! 😉
Its progressing really nicely Nev, really nicely.
I’m think the Luke by the Log stuff is going to be the pain in the put to work with since is glowing is different affected by the original shot’s day time coloring/brightness.
But arguably the end of Leia’s Jedi path takes place in TROS where she projects herself to him to turn Ben back to the light. Pretty sure she doesn’t give birth there. Actually, hold on a second.
I just realized the freaking genius of changing it to birth. Her son is “reborn” at the end of her Jedi path in TROS, and she physically gives birth to her son shortly after having the vision and giving up her formal Jedi training.
Woah, that’s deep.
Nev, that’s a distinct improvement! The establishing shot at the beginning is perfect. Rey throwing stuff at Ren’s TIE feels perhaps too orange now that the sun(s) has/have set. Would feel right for a sunset but now for dusk, IMO.
The sitting on a log scene looks good, though there are three or four shots that would benefit from masking the sky in order to darken it further.
I wonder if it’d be even better to have the hut interior pre-flashback as being pretty darn dark outside, then a bit lighter post-flashback, leading into a sunrise as she heads outdoors.
Also, it feels in isolation that the sunrise feels more like a sunset with this grade. Maybe in reality sunrise and sunset look similarly orange, but it feels more like a sunset to me. Not sure if that’s useful!
I just watched the new clip and it is a bigger improvement. I agree about the log scene needs some more masking since it is a bit too bright, especially in comparison to the shot before and the hut scene.
As well as lighting the hut exterior AFTER the flashback would then help the next scene with the X-wing feel more organic with the change in lighting.
However, I think the orange color at the TIE is ok since it is the orange from the fire, however, the background (like the cliffs/mountain) outside the immediate area of Rey and Luke does need some masking to be darker/less orange since the light from the fire wouldn’t affect them.
Really good work Nev, it’s getting better and better!
Pryde & Palps > Rey and Luke chatting at Tie Roasty Time > Poe and Crew > Establishing night time Ach-to + Hut scene and rest?
Would that help give time? Im still thinking out loud.
Here’s a full mockup of the Ach-To sequence, featuring a regrade by NeverArGreat:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UpnKp8-35PMwuWDXiv2ZjIvsZ93y0BE0/view?usp=sharing
I had a chance to sit down and watch it and admittedly, I am kinda confused by it because of the changing “colors” of island’s sky and whatnot. My brain is having a hard time understanding it and the sense of time. It kinda comes accross has “the sky is acting crazy” more than passing time.
If I could make a suggestion, I think it would help to break things by swapping a scene in between the Act-To stuff to help alleviate it?
So Maybe instead of
Kylo/Han scene>Pryde/Palpy Scene>Poe & Crew>Acho-to … maybe break it up something like Kylo/Han>Pryde/Palpy>Acho-To Part 1<Poe & Crew>Acho-to Part 2.
I don’t know how that would change up the flow or whatnot, but it would really help the mind to get a better sense of time passing by and not changing weather.
That’s just my opinion on that. (Hail to the death of the Timer)
Can we just have Luke say “Because you’re a Skywalker” and be done with it?
“Because you’re a Skywalker … or a Kenobi … or Palpatine … or something else, I’m sorry, I am confused too. Seems like the force the last few years hasn’t been consistent one many things or directions and the last few months was trying to decide who you are. Wait … yeah, your a PalpaWalker … wait, what was I saying?”
Like herding cats, eh Hal?
The line sticks out since it sounds a bit different, but it also sticks out since its cramming more words than the “space” of the original line.
I dunno if it is realistic to do cleanly.
Hasn’t Hal even said he’s been conflicted with the implications between the two films, with Mind Bridge, Palps and Snoke and all? Of course trying to figure out whatever means to try to either rectify it, or go at it at every feasible angle takes time.
This … kinda makes me mad.
The end of a Saga, the last movie of a “connected” series (9 movies in total) should answer questions at the end … not leave more questions…
Intersting … Oye. What a mess. It could have been easily cleared up if Kylo elaborated just a sentence or two about it when he revealed the “dyad stuff.” Like, something on the lines of “When Snoke/Palpy linked our minds, they unknowingly awoken/something something/ our dyadness and have no idea what we can do” or something on those lines.
Sigh.
Especially if the Skype calls were not part of it … but can move physical things in space … because … their minds linked? Like if I am connected to a friend on the phone from my house to his, he can “hand me” his pen … because you know … we are connected.
Wouldn’t that have been something if it was/could/possible/insert-other-word/ to “is it you?”
Same way Palps anticipated Luke with Vader … But I understand that question.
These movies … oye.
Oh, I remember now. If Palpatine knows they have a dyad, it shouldn’t matter how powerful it is, he should realize that he could potentially drain it and would want Rey brought to him alive by Kylo. So yeah, maybe not a good idea to remove those lines.
God, what a mess. I need a break lmfao.
Yeah, was about to say something about that, kinda goes against his plan, it was a surprise to him and used that instead, which was a much better option.
So yeah … still thinking, at the moment, to remove Snoke’s line in TLJ.
You can keep Kylo’s line, to reinforce Palpy has no idea, until the end.
Also thinking, Palps doesn’t always knows or senses everything. Heck, in ROTJ Vader sensed Luke was looking for him and Palps responded he didn’t feel that. It could have been a lie, but let’s take it to face value. He is not all knowing or sensing. He can do a lot, but not everything.
I definitely want to remove the Snoke line for sure now. Lol.
The twist would have been fine … if it all makes sense and is connected. Lol.
I’d probably now am motivated to remove the “bridge mind” aspect just to help clear out the mess with Bridge Minds … Dyad … etc. etc. with iMovie on the TLJ edit just to remove some weird plot holes/messiness.
That, for me, also clears up Snoke’s "how he done in and was fine AND how he … kinda understood their connection and Palpy didn’t. People can argue all the details, but it is still a mess imo.
TL:DR version: Snoke’s mind bridge was intended for them to communicate, not the whole physical stuff which is contributed to the Dyad stuff. He didn’t know that, just wanted them to chat.
Fair enough. The problem I have with that is it isn’t made clear enough in the film that this is the case. I actually would blame TFA in this case. If TFA overtly set up that they had some mystical connection, it would be more believable that Snoke’s mind bridge would accelerate it. The problem, at least in my case, is that when Snoke says that line it appears that he is taking credit for everything, not just the chatting.
Oh, I don’t disagree it’s all a mess. Lol. If possible, I’d remove him taking credit and instead focuses more on him knowing that Rey would come back from Kylo after learning his origin … thinking she could “save him” or whatever … kinda like Luke with Vader, when Emperor told Vader that Luke would come to them. (which he did, sorta.)
Here is one take on the whole thing. They’ve been a Dyad since the beginning (TFA) and Snoke’s Mind Meldtm “jumpstarted” their Dyadness. I mean, those two would have no idea about it or understanding of their “special bond.” So having Snoke do something with the unintended result of the whole “transfer of physical things/touching/etc.”
I would almost think Snoke’s plan was to have them connected like how Luke and Vader were able to connect, or Leia and Luke were able to connect from a distance, but a more “clear” connection. The the unintended results is it jump started their Dyad ability instead of it naturally growing if they were together and on the same “side” of things, if that makes sense.
TL:DR version: Snoke’s mind bridge was intended for them to communicate, not the whole physical stuff which is contributed to the Dyad stuff. He didn’t know that, just wanted them to chat.
@poppa it looks pretty good, I do see the seems. However, putting a “walker” puppet over that one spot will cover it on the left side-ish I notice.
As for the dyad thing, anything that implies they were NOT this Dyad thing … or connected in some way at the time of TFA would be a big no for me. (it helps explain Rey’s "instant level up/download Kylo’s TRAINED abilities)
Personally, one of my (many) dislikes from TLJ was Snoke’s line about “Light meets dark … Kylo find his match, yada yada” is it completely notifies the PT.
Essentially, he’s implying "For each dark side/light side user, the light side/dark side user will match it.
How many Sith were there during the PT? How many Jedi?
I really, REALLY hated that.