jarbear

Icecream2448 said:

I hope what’s happening in The Mandalorian show so far doesn’t throw a monkey wrench into what this edit has changed about TROS.

Lol, not sure how much can change unless they decolonize the sequels and do something crazy like Kanan and World between worlds crap. Lol. (Hope not but kinda do at the same time for these sequels.)

As for Hal having alternate track with the KOR, I’d like to listen to both with and without … I’m guessing by personal bias I’d prefer them staying quiet, but won’t judge till I listen!

Rats I keep trying all these methods but I’ve been unsuccessful. Oye.

Let’s move the discussion of the Light speed skipping scene and it’s silly-ness to a different thread since Hal has fortunately reaffirmed that it will not be in this edit. (Thank goodness.)

Hal 9000 said:

Thank you my good sir.

joebocop said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Removed lightspeed skipping sequence. It made no sense given how hyperspace has always been depicted, as quick travel, not teleportation. Now, the Falcon bursts through the ice wall while jumping to hyperspace, and the pursuing TIEs peel off, ending the scene (visual FX by poppasketti)

As bad as that sequence is… the point of it is to reinforce Poe’s recklessness.

It’s not necessary though, that same recklessness can be inferred from him smashing through the ice and the general damage to the falcon on his return to base.

You don’t need another universe breaking use of light speed in the mix.

Agreed. Plus the TIES actively tracking the falcon and able to PERFECTLY predict each stop and go to/from hyper speed, from Poe randomly making those choices went beyond being beyond too far.

That will be super unfortunate if he remains MIA. Hope all is well.

Hoop28 said:

sade1212 said:

Cinefy said:
new Holiday Special

At last, the true Episode IX.

Long have I waited…

For Wookie Cookies!

^^ agree.

thebluefrog said:

OutboundFlight said:

jarbear said:

How is changing the look of an established thing to make it “new” makes sense? That’s like Vader’s lighter saber turning black during the final battle cuz … he’s fighting for the emperor/reasons!

If you wanna change the look for something cuz it looks cool … that’s your choice and go for it with your own edit … and this is a general redux thread for the movie … but trying to justify it and be angry that people don’t agree using valid reasoning is silly and bad story telling/writing.

I disagree. If Vader used the force on the Emperor in 1983 and his sword turned black, it would have been written in as a new force power that happens when you become super angry or reach your destiny or whatever and fans would follow it adamantly. The same as Luke (a Jedi) now having a green lightsaber.

Yep. People get too bogged down with the weight of canon and don’t remember the things that have “always been this way” were new ideas at one point. I mean, take why Mace Windu has a purple lightsaber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKowrRnERrY

Lucas: Good Jedis only use blue and green. Bad guys only use red. This is how lightsaber power works.
Jackson: Please?
Lucas: Ok.

There, canon suddenly changed.

Reasonable argument, but doesn’t quite fit the mold specifically about changing something that has always been “this” to “now it changes to “this”. The first Star Wars movie introduced different colored lightsabers. More colors came after that movie. So the door was opened right away for that and continued. The audience can see the bad guys consistently used red throughout. Could they use other color sabers? Sure! But they like red … just like a gang can have a “rule” to only wear orange sleeveless hoodies.

Force lighting has stayed the same look throughout the trilogy. Same in the OT, PT and ST.

And no, the argument “ well Lucas could have done “x” and people/fans would accept it” is a bad argument. Trying to use a “what if” to justify a reason to do something new/different is bad, come on man. “Let’s make “x” glow when using the force cuz Lucas could have done that in “y” movie to support it…”

Hal 9000 said:

Movies Remastered said:

Well damn, this was at 5000 comments last time I was here.

I’ve no idea where you’re at with this edit now but did snooker return and did you get the Naboo scene finished? I can help if not.

I’m slowly getting back on my feet so if I can help let me know.

Yep, we got it, but thanks!

And it seems like I’m going to need to order an NVMe usb enclosure since my Mac isn’t seeing the new SSD at all. The internet suggests I can format it and install my OS using an enclosure before installing it into the machine itself. So that’ll probably add a week waiting for that.

Do you have a spare external drive to install the OS and try to format/repair the SSD?

How is changing the look of an established thing to make it “new” makes sense? That’s like Vader’s lighter saber turning black during the final battle cuz … he’s fighting for the emperor/reasons!

If you wanna change the look for something cuz it looks cool … that’s your choice and go for it with your own edit … and this is a general redux thread for the movie … but trying to justify it and be angry that people don’t agree using valid reasoning is silly and bad story telling/writing.

poppasketti said:

Darth Muffy said:

What I took out of RoS which I really liked the idea of was how it explained Palpatines “stike me down” lines both in RoS and return of the jedi. I like to think that meant that if Luke struck him down in return of the jedi with anger he would of possessed Luke the same way Rey would of been possessed if she stuck him down in RoS through the sith ritual.

This is actually something I don’t like about TRoS. The literal nature of a possible spirit transfer being the real motivation behind one of the crucial moments of the original trilogy cheapens the moral implications for me. In Return of the Jedi, I always thought Palpatine was saying that anger and hatred were corrupting and destructive forces, and that even if Palpatine were to die, he still would have won by corrupting Luke. I realize that doesn’t literally make a ton of sense given Palpatine’s ambition and ruling an empire, but it makes sense in the context of the morality tale that the original trilogy was. This added motivation means there’s a reason for Luke to resist temptation other than showing poise and maturity in the face of evil.

My man.

Also was part of palpable plan: Luke tries to kill him, Vader would protect and start duel. If Vader wins, Luke threat done. If Luke won, he could manipulate him since he started the dark path. So simple.

I hate the sith transfer thing. No wonder Lucas didn’t go to the opening. Lol.

Icecream2448 said:

George can be a little silly with his choices, and ret-cons were a staple between the OT and PT.

I don’t disagree there are silly things, no doubt about it and things I don’t like, but it’s pretty simple why things don’t and won’t ever really jive. That’s all.

Lol, I think everyone can discuss this in circles and it will never jibe when connecting to the series as a whole since George Lucas was clear: Sith don’t conquer death, only the Jedi could. So trying to make this jive with what GL has built and shown with what Disney has done simply cannot connect the dots.

OF course if people like the direction of the whole … Sith living on thing … that’s fine and all. Not going to say “You cannot like this!” But do understand there isn’t a way to make a solid connection with what was built prior to the movie, let alone before the sequels, since it goes against what George, the creator of the Star War Universe, foresaw and explained.

Anyway, good luck on the computer stuff Hal, you can do it!

Hal 9000 said:

But then why does Palpatine seem to gloat as he describes Darth Plagueis not being able to save himself from being killed? Shouldn’t he just be Plagueis?

Palps: Take this! (Slices Plagueis)
Palps: Ouch!

I think you know the answer Hal, so does George Lucas when it comes to this whole topic. (Check out Clone Wars deleted scenes about the Mortis Arc.)

Hal 9000 said:

Invisible lightning.

Yes! And it will be known as Force Gravity as the ships are “pulled down.” New OP power. Lol.

Hal 9000 said:

I don’t plan to remove voices there. Given that the scene doesn’t seem to adhere to the ‘Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Yoda are the only ones to learn how to be immortal’ idea, it’d be weird to only hear from Jedi from this series that span 1/1000th of the Jedi’s history. Especially since at least a few would not mean anything in particular to Rey.

I’m assuming that unknown voices would be interpreted as being random other Jedi from the past.

That’s fair, even if the audience has no idea of the voices they assume its all these random pass Jedi’s since she wants to try and communicate with them.

How the computer stuff going for ya?

omnimuffin said:

jarbear said:

Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.

Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.

(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)

Wait, why are you blaming Rian Johnson for that? Rian Johnson didn’t do that, lol. Rian Johnson was not involved in bringing back Palpatine, lol.

On the subject: Sith can’t persist as bodyless spirits, but they can persist if bound to objects or host bodies (and host bodies is something literally only Palpatine has ever achieved, and only through what he’d learned from Plaguis before turning on him), though it’s an extremely unpleasant ‘existence’.

Anyway, there’s a difference between reaching into the netherworld of the force and making brief contact with old friends, long gone, than a ghost manifesting in the material world, a la what Obi-Wan, Yoda, and eventually Luke and Leia learned.

Meant jj, my bad. But still stand by my comment since jj didn’t watch previous Star Wars stuff.

Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.

Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.

(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)

I think this lightning discussion is probably more suited for the redux thread.

Hey Hal, hope it will all work out with your computer issues, I just read through things and was so glad you got the support so quickly! Good luck with it all. I’ll input however I can to assist.

Also, I don’t think the red lighting is a good idea. Causes more confusion than anything for the audience … especially if you watch the entire trilogy lighting has stayed consistent.

On a personal opinion on this movie, and the entire trilogy, the viewer shouldn’t have to rely on outside sources from the movie to explain either significant changes or plot lines … the movies should be pretty self contained.

Wow Hal, talk about a stressful time with that.

Export stuff like it’s hot.

Hal 9000 said:

https://vimeo.com/461543673

Here is the shot with visuals and sound lid in. what do you think?

Fortunately the line doesn’t feel like a cut off, it just has a kind of awkward … pause between Poe’s line and the person that says “For Skywalker.” I would almost try to add someone to say “roger” or something to fill that gap and then the “for Skywalker.”

Had to come back to this and look at the images again. This looks so, so promising.

Oh, yeah that still works. Thanks for the clarification!