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Max_Rebo said:

flametitan said:

So, something more concrete as to what was added to the final product rather than removed/changed, that scene was definitely part of the reshoots: http://collider.com/rogue-one-darth-vader-scene/

Maybe there was once a version where Leia really was on her mission to pick up Obi-wan, and either the Rebel Fleet relayed the plans to her, or the spies on the ground sent the plans directly to them rather than to the fleet, this may account for the re-positioning of the communication dish, the reason for which wasn’t really explained in the film.

Maybe no big news but at least confirmed in an early script to include Vader heading down to the planet, according to Gary Whitta (who spent 9 months writing the screenplay, before being replaced by Chris Weitz). Whitta also apparently wrote the Vader on Mustafar-scene which made it into the final cut.

https://twitter.com/garywhitta/status/1219439992197373952?s=20

voltwaffle said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, Ben Solo is technically also a Skywalker so it depends on how you see it.

I agree with that assumption but look what they did with him; he’s a buffoon. He’s a completely incompetent and nonthreatening villain. He continuously gets beaten by a random person with no training.

Kylo/Ben does not get beaten by Rey (I presume she’s the random person you refer to) in TROS. It’s quite obvious in their encounters that he’s on top of things. He refrains from striking Rey down because he believes she’ll join him, eventually. You might not like the plot or story or characters or whatever, but please avoid spreading false claims about this movie.

…and Warwick Davis himself has confirmed that they used him as a kind of Yoda stand-in for one scene in TPM, walking in a long shot, and obviously it was kept in the movie, and that whole sequence with fake-Mace also, seems kind of botched together, perhaps last-minute. Been a long time since I managed to sit through the whole ending of TPM.

The cinematography is also the set-up and execution of the shots and it’s extremely bland and simply boring throughout the PT. The quality of the actual picture might influence the viewing experience, but it most certainly shouldn’t exclude a riveting and/or entertaining end product. But yeah, we ended up getting almost made-for-TV- or straight-to-DVD-movies because that was way cheaper for the production.

Bluto said:
I do not think any ROTJ 1997 has been reconstructed, but a number of laserdisc rips are available.

Bluto

Hm, I do remember quite a few years back finding remnants of a ROTJ 1997-SE on a certain bay… But even though the same version of ESB also was available, it was impossible in the end to compile the full ROTJ-file. Pretty sure it also originated from adywan. Perhaps a fake decoy?

“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror that (Count Dooku ordered, the Geonosians designed, director Krennic managed, Galen Erso betrayed and…) you’ve constructed!”

Sorry, just had to. 😉

Ashdogg said:

Really interesting thread. I was watching a video on YouTube about whether fans are too hard on George Lucas, that are we to blame as to why Disney is now at the helm? But I remember all the criticisms that George has made over the years about Hollywood, that executives don’t know a decent movie when they get one. That it’s our fault that we don’t like “experimental” movies. I also remember how hyped all the fans were in 1999… and all the Jar Jar merch… yet all we wanted was a good movie. Are the fans too hard on George? I don’t think so. I don’t think we’re the reason why he sold his company. From my observations, fans are just giving their honest opinions.

Lucas himself did CHOOSE to become this multi-tasking-corporate-media-mogul… Don’t know if he actually set out to accomplish some kind of pseudo-independence when becoming what he actually said he did despise during his early years in the 70s. Anyone who’s read the biography by Brian Jay Jones? I’ve got it on a shelf somewhere (a gift, not yet read) but don’t know if it gives any more insight?

Mocata said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Indeed very much like the shot of the Tusken Raider in ANH. Here’s the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkCl-LhbGU

Obviously, the bluray will give you a much better look at what’s been done here.

All this lame CG editing and nobody remembered to put food in the bowls…

Well, if you bring in a SOUND designer as film editor, to do his first major motion picture… 😃

No, I’m not overlooking anything - some amazing shots over three movies is not the same as great cinematography throughout the PT. A Hollywood budget can be spent on many different departments - George Lucas decided not to splash out enough money when recruiting the crew. Just imagine what someone like Janusz Kamiński could have done with Star Wars. Now, the discussion actually centered on David’s reviews and the subjective view is kind of unnecessary - since we already know that the PT received no general appraisal for the cinematography.

StarkillerAG said:

I’ll probably get some hate for this, but I actually think the prequels are decent. The only real flaws are the bland acting and the lack of subtlety. The story, effects, and cinematography are all great. The prequels are objectively worse than the originals, but they’re not unwatchable like so many people claim.

No hate - but seriously, the cinematography is just so… TV- and/or low-budget-movie-stylish… Most key personnel were recruited with minimal experience and not close to enough knowledge of steering one of the most anticipated movies of all time. David Tattersall was approx 36-37 yrs when he was brought on board - having done the Young Indie-tv-show, Radioland Murders (like many more of the crew) and Con Air. And then stayed on for Episode II and III. Ouch!

Well, then I guess you kind of missed the whole point of the THREE movies in the OT… Luke being tempted by the dark side of the Force is supposed to be subtle, and failing to stay true to the Jedi way is not supposed to be as in-your-face as depicted in ROTS. I actually don’t know noone who went into the theaters for ROTJ without knowing a fair bit of the story from the first two movies.

Regarding the reviews I’m still astounded by David’s more or less first statement that TPM is NOT the worst one - cause simply it’s actually one of the worst movies of all time considering the resources and exceptional talent (both actors and crew) at hand for the executive production management. And then follows a lengthy explanation shifting focus from the decision-makers to circumstantial causes and elements.

The fans actually reacted to something. Not the other way around. There was no pro-active movement that had to fix anything. Claiming that the audience, the receivers of a piece of art, broke fandom is perhaps bold, but I actually would say the opposite. It’s the responsibility of the fans to steer the entertainment industry towards our needs instead of blindly following the commercial lead.

Trying to deny the essential foundations of praise for artistic work is to lack insight into basic human psychology - there will always be love and there will always be hate, the original Star Wars would never have been the universal success if it wasn’t for that same insanity of the fans. And David actually does explore this topic - but the conclusions are way off the mark.

Importantly though it’s a dangerous view of only black-and-white and that’s why one need to be able to like the person of George Lucas, despite his failures as a film-maker. Or the other way around. The choices of George Lucas was his to make and he’ll be held accountable forever, not the fans! Some dead horses actually need a couple of extra beatings as long as there are these kind of revisionist attempts.

Fox and Lucasfilm did make quite a few bucks of TPM, didn’t they? And yes, if you put a 9-year-old at the center of the biggest marketing campaign the movie world has ever seen I guess there might be some backlash. What if we as fans actually dared to question the motives instead of diverting the attention to ourselves?