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HappyToast said:

Thanks for the links.
I just happen to have been out for a work meeting and talk got on to Star Wars, so I asked someone who saw the 77 release how they remember the chasm sequence and with absolute certainty they recalled Luke missing. I’m sure it was there, too many people remember it.

Hi and welcome, HappyToast. Both the ITV UK Premiere screenings of… Star Wars (shown on 24th October, 1982) - and Empire Strikes Back (shown on 25th December, 1988)… are available in here (check under the ‘TV Screening Preservations’ category):-

📍 A few available Original Trilogy Preservations - from a long time ago . . . . 📍
 

There is a ‘30+ post requirement’ to be able to acquire any of the projects listed in there.

Unfortunately we don’t have a copy of the ITV premiere for Return Of The Jedi (shown on 26th December, 1989)…

 

Re the grappling hook scene in Star Wars… Mocata summed it up pretty well above.

A thread on the topic, here: my memory isn’t that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?)

I hope ROTJ shows up one day, even if it’s one of the repeats.

mikeainslie69420 said:

For me, it’s not as important to have theatrical cuts of the prequels because the changes Lucas has made to the prequel trilogy (at least in my opinion) aren’t that bad compared to the original trilogy.

I think the same too but then some are saying the 4K releases have lots of “mistakes”.

I have nothing against the changes in general, even the Han shot first thing. What I don’t like is the horrible CGI. They look way more dated than the originals.

I really hope the original print gets leaked one day.

I think people may have started to become sick of Star Wars. Unlike today, people disliked endless sequels back then.

I would make the reboot similar to Tolkien’s three ages of Middle Earth.

The first trilogy would focus on the “ancient times”
The second would show the downfall of the Republic and rise of the Empire.
The third would be a clone of the original trilogy, showing the defeat of the Empire and return of peace to the galaxy.

I seem to remember in the mid 90s, people thought it was rather dated. I think things changed with the prequels.

Have you read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings & Silmarillion?
I find Tolkien a bit like Lucas in that he kept wanting to make changes, not always good, to his work.

To clarify, the print show here hasn’t been released officially or even unofficially as a restoration?

It’s a strange one because physical media in general is on the decline.
I love a lot of silent movies but my favourites won’t ever be released it seems on physical media.
I think the original prints will still get public screenings but I don’t foresee there being any official release of them.
Sadly I think the GOUT was the final word on them.

The question is whether the creator of an work of art is always the best judge of it.
Tolkien in his later years tried to revise The Hobbit yet again and also the, as yet unpublished, Silmarillion. As time went on, it be came clear the early versions of these works were better.

JayArgonaut said:

oojason said:

‘A day long remembered: Star Wars comes to television’

^ a 2016 article at the excellent Episode Nothing blog - with a few images and advert videos from the time.

It also chronicles the early US TV appearances - and also quotes from Lucasfilm seemingly not happy and also not wanting Star Wars to be on tv…
 

Thanks, that was a good read and I now understand why ITV routinely screened ANH during the 80s but didn’t air TESB till the very end of 1988. Speaking of which, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere in this forum, the 1988 ITV premiere of TESB was “edited to run in the time allotted” - with several scenes removed so that the film could fit their schedule. As Brits who were around during that period will be well aware, this was standard procedure for ITV, with numerous films being similarly hacked to pieces till the network eventually discovered the marvels of time compression.

From the comments section…

My folks got us a VCR at Christmas 1985. My first thought was ‘Star Wars is on at New Year’, which it was in STV-land.

Another date to add to the UK broadcast chronology. 😃

I haven’t found any evidence as yet, other than memories, for a 1985 broadcast.

Darth Retcon said:

Do you mean like an actual clone of Vader?

Kind of or more like someone just using the Vader costume. The idea is someone trying to aspire to be him. I think they did something kind of like that with Ren and his mask. You would then have Luke trying to defend his father’s act of redemption etc.

Can any kind soul provide a registration code for https://forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com/

Thanks in advance

A crazy idea but maybe they should make duel of the dates, and have EP IX as a dream. Yes it would seem silly but if DOTF was a much better movie, it would satisfy fans bring in more money to Disney and extend the franchise to 10 movies.

On one hand I used to be totally against it yet I now like the idea that people will twist history and make idols out of people for their own end. In that sense, you could have someone return as the new “Vader” with a desire to emulate the old Empire. This would have been an interesting idea IMO.

In my view, all they had to do was tell the same “hero’s journey” story but with a female lead instead of male. And they couldn’t even get that right. Three movies with no shared vision and a rushed ending.

Well of course Luke was hero figure to me and I think it was a bit hurtful to kill him off. Han was enough. At the end of ROTJ, you kind of imagined them all to live happy ever after. Seems it wasn’t the case and our heroes are now replaced with ones I cannot relate to at all.

canofhumdingers said:

Eyepainter, if you enjoy seeing and learning about prints. You should definitely track down 4K77, 4K83, and (soon) 4K80. You don’t have to have 4K equipment. There are 1080p versions of all of them.

I was able to find 4K77 on archive.org but can’t find the 1080p version of 4K83. All the torrent sites (I prefer not to use usenet) have the 2160 version)

ken-obi said:

What about re-watching Solo? I find Solo grows on me the more I watch it. Sure it has problems, but does vibe like an OT film like Rogue One does, even if the quality of the OT is not there. I wouldn’t put Solo on to watch it myself, but when it has been on at friends’ houses or on at movie nights it has been a fun watch.
 

Those five films are probably the only Star Wars films I’d sit down and watch anymore. Fan Edits apart.

You know i’ve never seen Solo but lots of people tell me they were expecting it to be crap but it’s actually quite good.

One change I would easily make is Luke telling Rey she isn’t related to Palpatine at all, that it was a ruse by him and that it was her own strength that defeated him in the end.

Did it upset anyone that they killed off one of the original trio in the three sequel films?

The prequel and sequel trilogy, I accept some may have been good movies but I simply have no desire to sit down and rewatch. I could easily rewatch even ROTJ several times though.

Maybe it’s just my age.

4K77 seems a little grainy and I don’t remember my VHS being like this. In fact I remember my ANH VHS as having great quality, compared to the other two which were ex rentals. It could just be my memory though and maybe the picture wasn’t as good as I remembered.

This will probably not be news for most for you but I found it a really interesting read

http://robwrite.hubpages.com/hub/The-Original-Conception-of-the-Star-Wars-Trilogy