This is disappointing indeed since TCM generally shows films in their original aspect ratio. One time they showed MY FAIR LADY (filmed in Super Panavision) in a modified 16x9 ratio before they finally aired it in the correct ratio. Similar situation with AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS where they first aired it full frame (standard 4x3) before that finally aired in its 2.2:1 proper ratio. A rare case where TCM breaks the rules on its exhibition policy.
For those of you fans who want to see the original version of STAR WARS on the Big Screen, take note of this.
The original version as seen in 1977 will be screening at the historic Fox Theatre (now the Bob Hope Theatre) in Stockton, CA on Sunday, July 14, 2019. Doors will open at 1 PM Pacific time with the movie following at 2 PM Pacific time.
More information is at https://foxfriends.org/ . We hope you fans will plan to attend this historic event.
This probably should fit into this category, and I think Harmy should take note of this.
It has been reported by MAB Hollywood’s Matias Bombal that the original 1977 version of STAR WARS will be screening at the historic Fox Theatre (now the Bob Hope Theatre) in Stockton, CA on Sunday, July 14, 2019. This will be a rare opportunity to see the original Episode IV in as close as possible to what audiences originally saw in 1977. The film will screen at 2 PM.
The information is at https://foxfriends.org/ .
Count me in! PM me.
On this subject, folks…now that Disney owns Fox, there is a small, small chance that the 2020 reissue of the classic six films will bear the Fox opening logo.
As we know, the digital versions of all original six episodes (except Episode IV) do not have the Fox logo at the beginning, and the end title music to EMPIRE tracked onto the Lucasfilm logo.
It is important that every fan-made restoration of the original films should include the opening Fox logo in order to preserve the integrity of the original presentations.
Harmy, I hope you get this.
It is finally official.
It is not only here but all over the place. BTW it contains only the theatrical cut, no word yet on whether or not there will be a “definitive collectors edition” containing the TV and SE, so for now hang on to your Warner Archive blu ray of the latter two cuts.
P.S. I had a feeling the “Silver Screen Edition” trailer was a clue on what was to come. Now I await you guys doing your custom covers of the three versions.
Here is the direct link to that trailer…
By now you know that there will be no Criterion Collection edition of STM. But, for at least a limited time, the CapedWonder site at capedwonder.com may have given us a clue as to what we could expect out of a 4K edition ( we can now assume this is an in house WB release). This ad is being touted as the “35MM Silver Screen Edition”, and it looks to be a crisp, colorful print at that. The announcer here sure resembles the original one from 1978.
If this is a personal project a la the “Star Wars 35mm Silver Screen Edition”, then whoever is behind this one sure did an excellent job with what he/she had to work with.
Remember, last year the CapedWonder site offered us the TV cut in pan and scan, and that was a clue on the eventual WB Archive Blu Ray issue of the cut in widescreen.
Your thoughts, fans…
WANTED: SERPA STEREO MIX OF THE TV CUT
If anyone, especially Alex Serpa, has at least an mp3 file of the complete stereo mix Serpa himself prepared for the extended TV cut (for the fan made project that eventually gave way for the Warner Archive blu ray), PM me.
There are still some excerpts of Serpa’s stereo remix work up on YouTube, such as here:
Ok, folks. Here is where we stand with all this…
STM is enjoying a revival in theatres this year. All three cuts have been shown in revival movie houses nationwide. This makes up for Fathom Events passing STM over for other films this year, such as “Grease” (probably on the merit of that film outgrossing STM as 1978’s top grossing film).
There are many possibilities for a proper 40th Anniversary Box Set of STM containing all three cuts of the film plus potential new supplements never before released on home video. So…
Criterion and Shout Select now have deals with WB, thus the floor is open.
- Criterion has until Sept. 15 to announce this title in time for the 40th Anniversary.
- Shout Select could announce this title at the upcoming Comic Con next month in San Diego.
- WB could do this in-house in the manner of their 70th Anniversary Box Set of “Wizard of Oz”, but such an announcement would have to be made by the end of September.
If none of this happens, then it would have to be up to the fans to create their own “Disc 4” to supplement the three cuts that have been put on numerous DVD/Blu ray incarnations.
Keep in mind Alex Serpa has attempted a complete stereo remix of the TV cut as well as putting together a compilation documentary on the making of the film (that special is still up on YouTube). And Oliver Harper also did a commentary track on the 2000 cut (that too is on YouTube).
So fans, make your plans and tell all of us what you would do for a “ Disc 4 “. Here is a hint—much of what you would put in is on YouTube too.
What TCM actually showed was the “reconstructed” 4-hour cut, not the general release version. I believe the GRV was issued on LaserDisc.
The new Warner Archive Podcast on STM extended has just been released. There are many ways to get this, all it takes is doing a search of this.
Hopefully starting this week we can trash all those DVD-Rs and VHS 115th-generation dubs of the TV cut of STM. Tomorrow (if all goes well) WB–and hopefully other outlets like Amazon, etc.–will ship out the STM extended blu ray.
Just to clarify after reading and researching other posts…look forward to a widescreen (not full frame) and 2.0 stereo release.
Now, I suggest for those who may be wanting to have other extended versions of the SUPERMAN movies, to please savor this release first. WB only has so much money in their bank to restore their evergreen films (look at what they’ve done to THE SEA WOLF, also an upcoming WB Archive release), and it takes time and a lot of effort.
Once we get our discs, that will be where the argument and excitement will end. So treasure the best, treasure what we got. And enjoy it.
Since WB does now have all the original film elements, it is logical that it be released in widescreen for the first time. Putting it all together for HD I imagine was a challenge (as it is for all remastered films), but worth the effort. Buying the blu ray will be your way of thanking WB.
It’s time for me to chime in as I promised. This news is very historic for all Superman fans who have clamored for decades on an official release of the long version, and finally, just in time for Christmas, we will be able to hopefully burn all those bootlegs people have been making of the TV cut of STM. My congratulations for WB for finally making it happen. And although Criterion didn’t get on the bandwagon on this (perhaps they will next year when and if they do a 4K of the theatrical cut along with the two other versions), this is only the climax of a celebration that began for all of us in 1971, when Ilya Salkind conceived the idea for a Superman movie, through its original theatrical release, and so forth. Somewhere in the next dimension, Christopher Reeve is proud that the upcoming blu ray will please all fans.
So, what next? Who knows. For now, let’s enjoy the new release.
Obviously this is a reissue print, cause it has the '70s MPAA G rating tag at the beginning, and the Buena Vista logo in place of the RKONlogo.
Update for you…
I have been in touch with The Criterion Collection and it’s head, Jon Mulvaney, concerning and suggesting SUPERMAN, and got a prompt response promising he will share that suggestion with his colleagues at Criterion. And yes, I did suggest they include all three versions of the film (they did with THE NEW WORLD, which is also a Warner title). Considering I did this now since the 40th anniversary is December 2018, if they do go through with this, it will take a long time getting it all together.
The URL is criterion.com if you fans want to suggest this too.
When WB did their restoration in 2000, I think they had access to whatever cut negative of the deleted scenes was needed for Richard Donner to insert the eight minutes that were edited back to the film, which is why the sections were presented in widescreen on the blu ray.
This will probably be my last post about this for a while (everything else I’ve had to say about STM RIC has already been said), except I’m sure more will be said when and if WB and/or Criterion makes any official announcement on a definitive edition of STM for the upcoming 40th anniversary. In the meantime I hope I have cleared some of the air on the state of the STM RIC.
The 2 inch videotape I believe was transferred from the 16mm pan-and-scan/standard master print of the TV cut prepared for worldwide television release.
As we get closer to the 40th Anniversary of STM, I would like to jump in here and add to the current fate of the Superman extended International cut (as it has been commonnly called). Last year we officially learned more about the status of this cut from the Warner Archive Podcast. According to the podcast. all WB has at this point is a 2 inch broadcast tape master of the longer cut, but all the elements of STM do exist and so it is possible to do a high quality remaster in HD. But the potential cost in putting together a proper cut at least for blu ray release is high, but George Felenstein (my spelling may be wrong) is confident an official release will happen at some point. Any decision, according to George, would have to be made at a higher level than the Warner Archive, but he certainly is putting a good word to them. And with the Criterion Collection now releasing special editions of Warner films, I imagine they will put out a collector’s edition of STM a la their recent release of “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” (where you have both the General Release and restored Roadshow versions plus some stuff).
Oso Blanco said:
Thank you very much, FanFiltration! I haven't been able to watch the whole movie yet, but what I saw looked amazing! Finally, we've got the SLV in widescreen and on DVD!
On the anamorphic topic, I think it actually IS anamorphic ... the information is just missing in the IFO file, so the picture looks squeezed on the computer as well as on tv. In both cases you would have to adjust the width manually. I recommend using a program called IfoEdit to fix this before you burn the movie onto DVD. Just load the IFO file and change the settings from 4:3 to 16:9, then save the file and everything's gonna be fine.
To add to his statement...if you have a newer HDTV that's capable of multiple ratios, especially one that can stretch out a 1.33:1 standard picture, and if you have an adaptable DVD or Blu-Ray player, you should have absolutely no problem viewing the film sans the squeezed picture distortions. It played just fine with our VIZIO HDTV and a Phillips DVD player, and then with my Blu Ray player with a much bigger Sharp HDTV. As for playing on PCs, if you have a widescreen monitor and your DVD software can stretch out picture, you should be able to view the film without distortions. True. the disc is anamorphic, just need a little know how on your electronics to view the film correctly.
Ok, I decided to stay up and burn a disc.
It plays on the computer but not on my stand alone player. Tried two burns, one with Nero, one with Roxio. Both times, I had to do it as a Data Disc, as neither had specific Video DVD options, at least not that I could find.
I was able to burn my disc using a Memorex DVD-R, and it played fine on my Sony Blu-Ray player...at least I took a sample of the disc, and there were no problems.
At about 9:25 PM my time, the downloading was finally complete, and hopefully I'll be looking at this tonight. For those of you who do not want to go through the torment of downloading torrents of this, I need five people who are really interested in getting a disc of this work to IM me privately, and I'll tell you what to do from there.
Hopefully I will find a way of learning how to seed this, but if nothing else, Plan B...
On a personal level, it has been many, many years since I saw this longer version, so it will be a treat for ST fans, especially since it will add to my "Director's Edition" DVD.
Live Long and Prosper.
If you guys are having a hard time getting this on torrent, welcome to the club... not to be sarcastic. I'm on day 3 of doing this, but hopefully I'll get it done today as I'm on 74% now. Once I get this burned to DVD-R, IM me and I'll see what I can do to get you to see this.
Seeing that the original theatrical version is coming out on Blu-Ray later this year (and I do plan to get it to add to the "director's edition" I already have on DVD), it will be interesting to see how this longer version will look in widescreen since it has been many years since I've seen this version. To me, the longer ST:TMP will be an example of how far this 1979 film has come since it was first made. As far as I'm concerned, it is a work-in-progress, as it sees where the filmakers were at a point in time where things were uncertain (one reason why the "director's edition" was made in the first place).