heathen3017

Is this the Director’s Cut?

JJPotter said:

Did I say the post was being mean? NO! But, Doctor M, you proved my point at the end of your post. There are picky people and this post was one of them. I’m tired of people saying they are disappointed in my work solely because I didn’t give them what they wanted. I just released a new edit and the first thing that is said is that my work is disappointing because I didn’t provide 10-bit vs 8-bit encoding. All the while, someone out there is disappointed that I used x265 encoding because their 10-year-old rig won’t play it properly.

Here’s the problem…

Apparently far too many people expect JJPotter to be a short order cook and tailor every release to their own specifications. This is a ridiculous notion. Everyone should appreciate the magnificent effort that he has put into this and realize that they are getting for free and not complain or “make suggestions”. It is his work and he has the right to present it as he sees fit. Being that he is obviously an accomplished editor, my hunch is he already knows about various means to “make them better” (8 bit vs 10 bit, increase data rate, etc…). If you want it better, do it yourself. On the other hand, those that want “smaller versions” (lower bit rate, h264 vs h265, 720p, etc…) have even LESS to complain about because they can make those changes themselves once they download them and use handbrake or any numerous re-encoding programs.

Don’t complain about file size and your Internet. Either buy better Internet (if available), go to where Internet is better (Starbucks, work, etc…), or just suck it up. Like I said, you’re getting this for free and the effort behind it is monumental, so you should be showing your appreciation instead.

He has every right to present these as he sees fit, without everyone jumping down his throat complaining about everything under the sun regarding the tech specs of it. As it stand now, it seems that those that have been complaining have run off a very valuable member of this community, and it sickens me that you have done so. I do hope that he reconsiders any future projects and perhaps changes the method in which he is willing to dole out any updates or future releases so that he isn’t attacked with complaints.

What he should do is post that a new edition is available, lock the thread so that no responses can be made, and the only email address is the one that he uses to dole out the current releases and have gmail delete all incoming mail. Then find someone willing (I would gladly volunteer) to have threads dealing with technical glitches that are found. That way he doesn’t have to deal with the stress of dealing with everyone complaining that his releases aren’t what they want. I have used his works to learn and help to improve my own fanedits. I really hate that his current position is that he’s removed himself from a community that is supposed to be supportive and appreciative of his work and not ride him like a broken horse during the Pony Express.

I would love to see this project come to fruition.

Was this ever gotten?

How can I get a copy of this please?

Thank you for the status update and for your efforts… I look forward to seeing the end results.

While I would never discourage someone attempting to make a fan edit in the realm that you describe, I completely disagree that it’s more impactful replacing Phil Collins with a musical number (also, the “musical number” used in the example still felt it had background singers on it, even if it actually didn’t).

The soundtrack of this film by Phil Collins is a masterpiece totally underappreciated. I feel the combined performance of the scenes and Phil’s singing/music couldn’t be topped. Even if you subscribe to the notion that you are being guided about how to feel by the song itself, so what? Isn’t that what a movie, book, or audio piece is supposed to do? And if you disagree with that, the fact that it does guide you exactly where it was determined to take you means it achieved it’s goal masterfully and is reason enough to let well enough alone.

I would LOVE to see this come to fruition… If anyone wants me to preview and give feedback, by all means let me know…

Class316 said:

heathen3017 said:

Am I missing something? What is the link to the archive?

It’s on archive.org.

But Disney took down 2.1. Others still there.

You just gave the main page and the search on there does not find it (not sure if I searched before it was removed or not) nor the others. (It could possibly be one of the nearly 1200 Fantasia movies it brings up, but having to seek through those…)

If Disney took down 2.1, is there another way to obtain it? Is there a file host link available? If so, would it be possible to get that please?

Am I missing something? What is the link to the archive?

digitalfreaknyc said:

I’ve been meaning to do my own edit of this. I have the mpeg-4 blu-ray disc release and was going to cut in the itunes version where necessary.

If you decide to do that, I would GLADLY offer to preview any editions for you and give feedback.

Trust me… it’s not in the wild. If someone is willing to grab the iTunes extra, I’ll pay for it

Would love this as well. In the beginning, it was a downloadable iTunes Extra. Now, it’s only a streaming iTunes Extra.

If anyone gets a link, could you please let me know. I’ve sent a request 3 weeks ago and no response, even though he’s been active in the interim. TIA

Definitely looking forward to seeing the results of your efforts. Good luck.

JJPotter said:

I need some honest feedback on these releases. I received a bad review from a user pointing out a lot of things that I have not heard anyone else mention anything about. I need to know if these are legit issues that I need to look into resolving.

First, they indicated issues with the 5.1 audio track only being in AAC and not in AC3 format. For those with 5.1 setups, has this been an issue for you? Have you not been able to use the 2.0 edits because the track was not in AC3?

Are users able to get the subtitles that are built into the video file to work? They are intended to work without you having to have the external SRT file. I know some have asked for the external files, which is why I provide them, but those have mainly been where people didn’t know the subtitles were there already. Is this an issue that users are seeing?

Finally, what are your thoughts on the video quality? With doing higher compression to get the size down, I knew there would be some compromises on quality, but I haven’t seen this. Do others think the quality is poor? The comment indicated that it was “painful” to watch these with the quality drop from v1.5. Are others seeing and experiencing this?

I’m not looking for pats on the back or praises. I need legit honest feedback. If these suck, tell me. I haven’t gotten that impression from anyone that has seen them, but maybe only the people that like them have given feedback.

Here’s what I’ve said regarding this previously, and I stand by it… anyone who complains about file size when downloading does not deserve to have access to your work. This is a MASSIVE undertaking on your part, and you are offering it for free, so anyone who complains does not deserve the fruits of your labor. Period. I don’t care if they have “slow internet”. In most places, they can compensate by using work’s Internet or a Cafe’s or other locale that they can use temporarily. If it’s actual file size they are worried about, then they can use handbrake to process them into smaller files using whatever quality settings they they want.

You should produce the best quality that YOU want to deal with, not to others.

With that being said, I’m am by no means one of the pictorial experts that can instantly notice between 1.6 and 1.7 MB/s (or some other small difference setting) when viewing. However, I will say this… it is been my experience that 2.5 MB/s for video seems to be the basement setting that seems issue good quality vs file size if that is what you are going for. I will say that I tend to see issues on lower settings (which some of these are, but since they are free, who am I to complain? That’s why you’ve never heard from me on this issue.)

Regardless, I still think you should not worry about others complaining and issue them in the quality that you see fit. I personally would prefer as high quality as you’re comfortable dealing with and issuing, and let me deal with it once I get it, as those would be my issues, not yours to deal with.

I wished people would be more appreciative of your works and the efforts that went into them. I am sorry that they are not.

ScottZill said:

Darth telly said:

heathen3017 said:

I’ve been searching for years. They exist (seen on YouTube, but can’t use), but nobody has indicated that they have it or can get it. I’ve tried myself with various international vendors, but with zero luck.

Still would love to get it

I found them! They are included in this!
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Phase-Two-Collection-3D-Blu-ray/136435

Was it just that one scene in the original Chinese version?

From my understanding, there are basically a 2-3 mini inserted scenes along with other very mini scenes that are basically just product placement scenes. All in all, it adds about 4 minutes of footage.

Darth telly said:

heathen3017 said:

I’ve been searching for years. They exist (seen on YouTube, but can’t use), but nobody has indicated that they have it or can get it. I’ve tried myself with various international vendors, but with zero luck.

Still would love to get it

I found them! They are included in this!
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Phase-Two-Collection-3D-Blu-ray/136435

How do you know that the extra footage is here? It mentions absolutely nothing about Chinese exclusive footage.

Pauln6 said:

heathen3017 said:

Pauln6 said:

ElectricTriangle said:

We finally have a release date for the new 4K/HD master of Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Director’s Edition, releasing April 5th on Paramount+ with a disc release later in the year! Produced by the orignal team, this release is very exciting, and I can hardly wait. Obviously the new master will have different creative decisions with regards to how best update the old CGI, (from the trailer, some of it very nice and some is quite iffy) but irregardless, the general quality of the new edition should thoroughly exceed my old fanedit and will be the one to watch. This project will still remain up for posterity, but for first-time viewing, I will direct you to what hopefully will be the definitive edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

The trailer looks awesome! I am still hoping to finalise my hybrid cut. There is even a possibility that the scene in Engineering with Scotty and Ilia might be in the outtakes as it looks like they found the soundtrack!

Can someone please spell out specifically what the differences are between the Director’s Edition and the Purist Edition? I’ve read the readme files for both, and absolutely nothing about specifics is given with respect to each’s build. There is only general ideas and concepts, but nothing to establish what content is either in or left out of either version.

TIA

The movie itself was the DE with a slight tweak to the opening credits to include Grace Lee Whitney, I think. I think it was more that it was composited using HD footage from the only existing version - the Theatrical Cut - where possible with maybe some colour correction. The new version coming out in September has had the new DE special effects recomposited from the original so everything should be crisper. I want to do a hybrid cut re-adding in scenes from the Theatrical Cut and the SLV so that should be a fun challenge trying to upscale and colour correct the SLV so that it doesn’t look too weird in comparison.

Thanks for the info. Once you start developing your hybrid, if you need a beta-watcher, by all means let me know. I’ve previewed several items in the past for various users and many were thankful for the feedback that I gave. If not, I understand. I look forward to your project.

Pauln6 said:

ElectricTriangle said:

We finally have a release date for the new 4K/HD master of Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Director’s Edition, releasing April 5th on Paramount+ with a disc release later in the year! Produced by the orignal team, this release is very exciting, and I can hardly wait. Obviously the new master will have different creative decisions with regards to how best update the old CGI, (from the trailer, some of it very nice and some is quite iffy) but irregardless, the general quality of the new edition should thoroughly exceed my old fanedit and will be the one to watch. This project will still remain up for posterity, but for first-time viewing, I will direct you to what hopefully will be the definitive edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

The trailer looks awesome! I am still hoping to finalise my hybrid cut. There is even a possibility that the scene in Engineering with Scotty and Ilia might be in the outtakes as it looks like they found the soundtrack!

Can someone please spell out specifically what the differences are between the Director’s Edition and the Purist Edition? I’ve read the readme files for both, and absolutely nothing about specifics is given with respect to each’s build. There is only general ideas and concepts, but nothing to establish what content is either in or left out of either version.

TIA

I’ve been searching for years. They exist (seen on YouTube, but can’t use), but nobody has indicated that they have it or can get it. I’ve tried myself with various international vendors, but with zero luck.

Still would love to get it

Definitely looking forward to this…TIA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iwBM_YB1sE

stwd4nder2 said:

Doctor M said:

I’ve started watching Friends for the first time this year on HBOMax. This is the first I’ve heard there is a cut/uncut version.
Since it’s HD, I’m assuming HMax is edited(?)

Not edited, they’re just the original TV versions. On the DVDs there were extended cuts with an extra minute or two for each episode. The BDs/streams use the TV versions.

That’s actually incorrect. Aside from the Pilot, of which I’ve seen three different versions of, there were several episodes during some middle seasons that had broadcast versions that were “super-sized” that ran about 5-7 minutes longer. These are what are released on DVDs… the actual broadcast versions. What’s in HD are any and all Syndication versions which have been trimmed down to fit more commercials in. The super-sized versions are been heavily edited to fit that mantra as a result.

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