haljordan28

"I come from a deep rooted bluegrass and country background, and I fingerpick "Clawhammer like: Atkins, Reed, and Knoplfer", I can flat out say you really don't know what you are talking about. Distortion has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's hands first, pickups second, amp last. Even the greats of country use distortion from time to time."

what am I saying that makes me not know what I am talking about? Of copurse some country pickers use distortion at times if its what the song calls for  but it is a rare thing. they use many different tones but rarly is distortion used. Unless you are refering to todays fake pop  country  crap.

As far as picking with a thumb pick and or finger picks like chet  jerry  and chets other student mark knoplfer..I dont understand why you threw that in and think that contributes to going against what I am saying?  Finger picking that way is not easy   either  but countrys real bread and butter and butter picking style..for  LEAD anyways is hybrid picking  cause it helps facilitate the technques involved to play country lead..IE  banjo rolls,  pedal steel bends, double stops  and chicken picken technque which most  uneducated  players thinks means just to play  fast  but is actually a technique in and of its self created by james burton where you get a conculsive echo after the strike that sounds like a chicken clucking...THESE  are the techniques that few  very few ever master  and yes  they are 99% of the time done through a clean channel ....unless you want to hear bandjo rolls and pedal steel licks  distorted lol

  Come on  educate me some more!

TV's Frink said:

Hmmm...it's 1994 and ME, you say?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Stop making threads.

What's it mean?  Maybe you should ask the posters who responded to it. They were smart enough to get it or maybe you just wanted another attempt to be a smart ass and start an argument and derail a thread.  You must have a sad life and hate yourself.  I would bet my bottom dollar you are a

:: Personal attack removed. Previously warned here. Temp banned.

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adywan said:

haljordan28 said:

I never claimed motley crue or whitesnake did and as a matter off act they are quite easy.  Difficult would be country lead or rockabilly or jazz and flamengo.

 

It is easy to hide behind a ton of distortion and  miss notes and pull off bends that  do not even hit the  exact note you are looking for.  you can  get CLOSE with rock and the blues  but with country lead  you have to be  prescice  because you are mimicking   a pedal steal which is done by mechanics...also   the spped at which they play leads   going through  clean channels and HYBRID picking on top of that..not  flat picking wanking like rock guitar..is just a  sheer testament to their skills. 

Zack Wylde  said it best  "country lead players are from another planet" truth is they are not. they just put in the time to play like masters  and they dont hide behind distortion. they are truly the best of the best

haljordan28 said:

Yeah I bet it's easy to criticize a music genre when you obviously know absolutely nothing about it.

People like you make me laugh.

I know guitar  and I know what is difficult to play and what it not. If you think metal is then you clearly know jack shit about guitar playing.

what makes it hard?  Do tell?  Explain to us all what techniques are involved  in death metal guitar that  makes it the slightest bit challenging?

Laugh  at yourself.

Now it's this type of attitude that really pisses me off. You have a really high and mighty attitude that "your type of music" is better than all the rest and you look down on other who play a different style. I played guitar/bass/keyboards/drums for just under 20 years before my health forced me to never be able to play again. I'm a metal fan but i also listen to a very wide variety of music and also enjoyed to play the same variety. But it was the ones that classed looked down on others that really got on my nerves. The amount of times that i challenged these "great" guitarists to play metal/rock and they failed miserably always put a smile on my face. Now a few of these people i knew personally and  they worked as session musicians. they had worked with some very big names like Van Morrison, Joe Cocker, Eric Clapton, to name a few. Now my old band lost its guitarist a few weeks before we had an important gig so we asked one of the session musicians we knew if he could fill in because i had now turned away from the guitar for live work to concentrate more on being the vocalist. Now this guy isn't one of the ones that ever looked down on other music genres. We has seen him play many times and he was an amazing guitarist. His main styles were Country & Blues. Now we gave him a tape of the set a few weeks before the gig and he said he could learn it by just listening to it, which is the way he worked with a lot of people he played session guitar for. The night of the gig cam and you could see how much he was struggling to play our music. He freely admitted after that he didn't think before hand that this style of music would have been so hard to play and that he was wrong.

Now it was thanks to this person that, in the late 80's,  i had the amazing opportunity to have an after hours acoustic jam session in a local county pub with none other than Robert Plant and Eric Clapton. It went on until the early hours in the morning and was one of the highlights of my life. I really wish someone could have recorded it as this was something to show the grandkids.

Now in every genre of music you have the good, the bad and the great. To say that musicians in a certain genre are better than the rest is just plain music snobbery and i really have no time for these types.

Now i'm not a death metal fan by a long shot but to say that it's easy just proves to me that you haven't even bothered trying to play it. Now again there are a lot of death metal bands that just play the same old stuff with the more simple riffs and solos but there are also those that have very talented guitarists that go against the norm.  Now i really can't stand listening to this type of metal, but my daughter loves it. But every now and then i hear a guitarist that just catches my ear and i just can't help listening to the track.

So maybe you should laugh at yourself instead of dismissing others so quickly.

 

How do ypu know if I dont play any metal? lol.  As a matter of fact I do.

I agree that a great classical guitarist could not just pick up a guitar and do what vai or eddie van halen does. Each style is a discipline all it's own.

What I am saying is that if you take a guitar player and sit him down  there are certain styles that are much more difficult to master than others. Rock and BLues and yes metal is included in the rock genre  are the two easiest styles to master.

if the truth offends some of you  too bad cause I dont know what to tell you. Go wank some Root and 5ths.

hairy_hen I enjoy some old metal too. Wasted years by maiden, holy diver by DIO and some ozzy and wasp.  I am refering to death metal and all that howling and screaming nonsense. It's pure garbage  to me.

My favortie soundtrack is  Aruther with Dudley moore. Footloose, The Cannonball run and the rocky films

Quackula said:

haljordan28 said:

Quackula said:

And I agree, metal guitar isn't too difficult. Shredders are a dime a dozen, what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter and never has.

where did I say it mattered?

Your entire post was pretty much about how it was a shit genre because it was easy to play.

But meh, maybe you're right about sucking it up, maybe I'm reading more into what you're saying than you really are. You'd think after 30-40 years of people saying this kind of stuff we'd be used to it. It's still aggravating though, especially when you make this sort of music yourself.

The best death metal is the simple stuff btw. Bolt Throwerrrrrrrr

 I never said it sucked cause it was easy to play. I said I thought it was garbage music and  I pointed out it was not a difficult style to play. Buddy Holly and  the beatles are easy to play too but they are  no where near garbage.

Quackula said:

And I agree, metal guitar isn't too difficult. Shredders are a dime a dozen, what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter and never has.

where did I say it mattered?

Death metal (and by extention, it's brothers thrash and black metal, not to mention its distant counsins crust punk, grindcore, and hardcore) = JUNK

and  why didnt you answer my question?  what techniques are involved in death metal that make it a challenge to play for a good guitar player? I am laughing at you cause you  are spewing bullshit because you got offended when someone  trashed your taste in music.

well guess what..just cause i think its junk or call it junk does not make it junk. thats just my opinion.   Now I will tell you something that is NOT opinion  but is fact.  metal guitar is not  difficult and not challenging at all for an accomplished  or skillfull guitar player.

if metal fans want to get offended by that then so be it  but  the truth hurts I guess.   but again if you want to  try and educate me...what techniques are involved that make it hard to play?  id ,love to know...cause   guess what...there is NOT ANY  ....NONE!

suck it up and move on. its noise and it sucks to me.  no heart at all  and nothing but wankers hiding behind distortion wanking power chords and running through scales with slides, hammer ons and pull offs. nothing special, nothing hard, nothing difficult.

Quackula said:

haljordan28 said:

As a musican I respect all music. Even those styles I can not stand  listening to.  With the exception of death metal.  That is pure garbage that takes no skill what so ever to play.  Always makes me laugh when I start discussing music with some   kid  who thinks death metal  i so  difficult to play

 

Death metal sucks...its easy..punk is decent to listen to  but it is always childs play...most rock n roll in general is  fairly easy to play. that is why when you go to a bar  most bands play the same tired easy songs  . stuff like ac/dc  stone temple pilots, nirvana..etc..etc  and why you never find bands that play styx,yes,ELO,genesis,REO,RUSH,etc,,etc. I am not a big fan of those guys either but their music is complex and not easy by any stretch of the imagination to play.

Yeah I bet it's easy to criticize a music genre when you obviously know absolutely nothing about it.

People like you make me laugh.

I know guitar  and I know what is difficult to play and what it not. If you think metal is then you clearly know jack shit about guitar playing.

what makes it hard?  Do tell?  Explain to us all what techniques are involved  in death metal guitar that  makes it the slightest bit challenging?

Laugh  at yourself.

more than a feeling - Boston

Murry Sparkles said:

Broken Wings - by Mr Mister.

That's a great song. 

Good TIme Charlies got the blues  - Danny O'keefe

Murry Sparkles said:

haljordan28 said:

As a musican I respect all music. Even those styles I can not stand  listening to.  With the exception of death metal.  That is pure garbage that takes no skill what so ever to play.  Always makes me laugh when I start discussing music with some   kid  who thinks death metal  i so  difficult to play

 

Death metal sucks...its easy..punk is decent to listen to  but it is always childs play...most rock n roll in general is  fairly easy to play. that is why when you go to a bar  most bands play the same tired easy songs  . stuff like ac/dc  stone temple pilots, nirvana..etc..etc  and why you never find bands that play styx,yes,ELO,genesis,REO,RUSH,etc,,etc. I am not a big fan of those guys either but their music is complex and not easy by any stretch of the imagination to play.

 Does it not take some form of skill to play a guitar nevermind playing at speed?. Speed metal guitarists like Dave Mustaine could teach most pop/ rock bands how to play a guitar at any pace. You also dont have to be a kid to listen to death metal, im 36 and enjoy a good old Napalm Death or a Brutal Truth cd some days. I would also say that bands of yours such as Motley Crue and Whitesnake dont have the most challenging guitar riffs either.

I never claimed motley crue or whitesnake did and as a matter off act they are quite easy.  Difficult would be country lead or rockabilly or jazz and flamengo.

It is easy to hide behind a ton of distortion and  miss notes and pull off bends that  do not even hit the  exact note you are looking for.  you can  get CLOSE with rock and the blues  but with country lead  you have to be  prescice  because you are mimicking   a pedal steal which is done by mechanics...also   the spped at which they play leads   going through  clean channels and HYBRID picking on top of that..not  flat picking wanking like rock guitar..is just a  sheer testament to their skills. 

Zack Wylde  said it best  "country lead players are from another planet" truth is they are not. they just put in the time to play like masters  and they dont hide behind distortion. they are truly the best of the best

this is not meant for people to tell their own story line or script for the pt but more of how would you have gotten the ball rolling on production and who would you hire  etc..etc

As a musican I respect all music. Even those styles I can not stand  listening to.  With the exception of death metal.  That is pure garbage that takes no skill what so ever to play.  Always makes me laugh when I start discussing music with some   kid  who thinks death metal  i so  difficult to play

Death metal sucks...its easy..punk is decent to listen to  but it is always childs play...most rock n roll in general is  fairly easy to play. that is why when you go to a bar  most bands play the same tired easy songs  . stuff like ac/dc  stone temple pilots, nirvana..etc..etc  and why you never find bands that play styx,yes,ELO,genesis,REO,RUSH,etc,,etc. I am not a big fan of those guys either but their music is complex and not easy by any stretch of the imagination to play.

my guitar influences are james burton, ricky skaggs, ray flacke, clerance white, albert lee, jerry reed, chet atkins, jerry donahue.

Hot Burrito #1  by the flying burrito brothers.

What is everyones influence   as far as music goes?

I play guitar..or as I like to say I am a tele player first and a guitar player second. Bit of a Tele snob. As far as my musical influences  ..being from the south I grew up on traditinal country music and bluegrass with a lot of 50s rock n roll thrown in.

My personal favs being Elvis, COnway Twitty, Waylon jennings, Gram Parsons, Earl thomas connely,  the stanley brothers,  flatt and scruggs, keith whitley, ricky skaggs, ricky nelson, lionel richie, sam cook.  When I became a teen ager and started making friends  I  discovered  80s rock  like motely crue and white snake,  phil collins and genesis. I am 36 and I just disccovered DIO a few yrs ago  when a friend suggested I listen t rainbow in the dark. Great song.Same friend also gave me my first taste of ozzy  with goodbye to romance.  Also a great song.

My heart is with country and bluegrass but I also love 80s rock and slow rock ballads.  If there are any other musicians here id love to know your style taste.

It is 1994 and you are handed the keys to the caslte  and in charge of the entire production and story ideas for the PT films. How do you handle it? What do you do?

The first step I take is bring in those who  loved and had something emotionally invested into the story  back. Kurtz, Kasdan and Marcia lucas and perhaps one othe well rspected writter for kasdan to work with and YES I have george lucas direct episode 1.

2nd I decide to use old cameras for the filming. Why? Because I want the films to feel as much like the original three as possible when beign viewed by the fans. Later after it is all done I can ciovnert them and upgrade the quality after they are released.

Anakin started out in episode 1  around 17  yrs old. Qui gon is in this film byut not as  bens master  but as a fellow jedi and friend and it is obi wan who is reckless not qui gone.  Obi wan and anakin strike up a friendship  and fight side by side in some battle in episode 1 and obi one sense and strong force in him and only at the end does  obi wan decide to take anakin as a student even thoug  he is clearly  way too old but they are more friends/old war buddies  by this  point. the first film would be like   that of platoon and  saving private ryan etc…etc in the  idea that it shows anakin and obi wan in a war and fighting side by side and creating a bond together.

this is my way of handling  the pt films.  what is yours?

:Whether his face got force-fried, or he let it happen on purpose, is left intentionally unambiguous, so you have no way of saying that "there's no way he could've done it on purpose".

Yeah..to hell with a little thing like COMMON SENSE. Just cause it's a sci-fi movie I guess we need to leave our expectations of   good film making  at the door.

I am sorry but your entire post just oozes with "Im a PT fan  and OT fans  cant  see past the surface to understand what they are viewing"

you dont have to look past the surface with these pos films.  anyone with any sense of  what a good film is is slaped in the face within 5 minutes with the pathetic story telling and dialouge.

Alexrd said:

haljordan28 said:

If I could make a billion dollars by making some shitty movies  trust me I would and trust me so would everyone here.  Money talks. Unless you already have plenty of it.

Since GL already has plenty, he won't do anything.

I am starting to believe that lucas knows the OT films were the good ones and he knows he did not put much thought or care into the pt  films cause by that time all he wanted was money. he was hurting for it. He uses star wars as a cats paw  to trick ppl into giving him more money. after the blue ray  dvds  it will be  even more   behind the scenes stuff  and then finally when all that is done  he will  announce plans for a new movie. its only a matter of time. He is just  slowly milking it for all its worth

Of course, because he's a greedy old man who plans to rule the world. Enough with the soap opera, please.

'Since GL already has plenty, he won't do anything."

If there is one constant in life it i that  the more money you have the more you want.  THe rich are never satisfied.

generalfrevious said:

If its the story of Anakin Skywalker, and they make Episodes 7-9, then why does the main character die in episode 6? They should have just stopped making SW movies after ROTJ. Just because you can make a billion dollars on making shitty movies doesn't mean you should.

If I could make a billion dollars by making some shitty movies  trust me I would and trust me so would everyone here.  Money talks. Unless you already have plenty of it.

I am starting to believe that lucas knows the OT films were the good ones and he knows he did not put much thought or care into the pt  films cause by that time all he wanted was money. he was hurting for it. He uses star wars as a cats paw  to trick ppl into giving him more money. after the blue ray  dvds  it will be  even more   behind the scenes stuff  and then finally when all that is done  he will  announce plans for a new movie. its only a matter of time. He is just  slowly milking it for all its worth

EyeShotFirst said:

haljordan28 said:

WhatsMyName said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Any ST Lucas would make would suck just as much as - if not more than - the PT, especially since characters from the OT would undoubtedly feature in it and suffer character derailment in the process. 

 

Too late for that. Unless u exclude Harrison Ford.

And as much as i would like to see a VII VIII IX, i don't see how it can be done. if any SW movies should be made, it should be a novel from the Old Republic or something before or during the Clone Wars.

I have always thought an episode between 3 and 4  would be a good idea  as there is much that can be shown  and  their is a back story to take  to it.

At the end of episode 3 the death star is under construction. In a new hope no one knows what the death star is as they approach it in the falcon but all the sudden obi-wan  knows its a space station. I have always thought the force told him that and I still do but there is a chance he knew because he has seen it and been on it before. Hence vader telling ben on the death star "you should not have COME BACK"  as if he had been there before. Vader tells luke that obi-wan once thought as he did when luke tried to turn him back to the good side of the force. That can be bens reason for being on the death star at that time.  Going to try and make one last attempt to save his old friend. Not to mention such a film would give us a chance  to see costumed vader  in saber duels.Which Im all for if it is not the ninja kung fu sword styles we got with the PT. We  could get to see vader hunting down what is left of the jedi. they numbered in the thousands. no way order 66 killed them all.  Plus  qui gon could be in it mentoring obi-wan and training him.

There is much  an episode 3.5 could touch on.

Hal it's funny, one moment your bashing the hell out of George and his prequels, then the next your talking about how he should do more work.

Yes I do hate the PT films.  They make me sick. i also hate what Lucas turned into and what he has done but that doesnt mean he cant redeem himself.  He knows     how to make  star wars good again  if he wanted to.  Hire kasdan again and maybe another talanted writer  and bring in a great director and hire kurtz back. Bring back the peoplwe whop have emotion invested in the story  and people that actually care. Rick mcallaum is pure scum

Don't you love the way george takes credit for the killing  off obi-wan plot idea  when it was marcias all along?

All jokes aside what has happend to this man? Other than rick pitino I  can not think of one other figure who was once  worshiped and beloved and  is now  looked at  as   a pos  and  untalanted. The worst part is he seems not to care.

Sure kurtz and marica and kasdan help make the OT what it is and they probably  are to thank for it  but  george  did contribute a lot to it back then. Hell I even have one interview where he says and I quote

"What makes star wars stick out among other films in the genre is we are not just looking at them  as if it's just a science fiction or film for children, we are looking at  it    and saying we are going to make the best possible film we can make and  I believe it is that that makes   these films stick out"

Not to mention his once views on revision of history and not touching  old films and changing them and how he use to say  that special effects was just a tool  and the story is what was important.

George at one time GOT IT! He knew  how to make good films and  he surrounded himself with talanted people. Together  they made classics. But you take george by himself and he makes shit. That's not a knock because you can even take someone like micheal jordan. the best bbal player of all time but if he did not surround himself with scotty pipen and other greats as a supporting cast then he would have never been a champion. He would have played on losing teams.  Lucas made loser  films cause he tried to be a one man team.

I am afraid his ego will not permit him to admit to anything like this though  and he will continue to run star wars into the ground just to stick with his current points of view. Rick MCallum to me is  one big piece of the problem. He needs to be fired ASAP. Bring someone in george that is not going to kiss your ass but someone who will sit down with yuo and challenge you to be the best you can be  and  work together  to make the best  film it an possibly be.

It is not too late for george to fix his legacy  and go down in history  as someone who made  some mistakes with the SE and the PT   but redeemed himself  with future  star wars projects  that he has the ability to make.

I always enjoyed the rebel mission to ord mantel tape/record. It tells a nice  back story to han  telling leia about the bounty hunter they ran into on ord mantel in episode 5. His name was cypher. It is a well thought out story.

As a kid I also liked  droid world.