I prefer "test 3". I like it because the faces don't feel as heavy, the overall depth seems to sit better to my eyes. Comparing when Vader talks to the officers near the end: in clip 3 they don't seem to jump out as much as clip 2: which I prefer.
I think the clip looks good, the balances look nice and natural. I would watch this over the blu-ray any day.
kk650 said:
hmm thanks for your thoughts frank678. The saturation is actually exactly the same between the screencaps in post 8 and these latest screencaps, the only difference is that the screencaps in post 8 have more green overall which make them appear more muted in colour compared to these screencaps.
whoops. fortunately, i have no credibility as a corrector to lose. :)
i have collected about 75 new images of 70mm scans from ebay listings this week. Alot of them have a very green tint/discolouration, let me know if you have any key scenes you work to, that you might want to have additional references for.
kk650 said:
On a slighly seperate issue, what are your thoughts on the saturation of these screencaps, keeping in mind that these preview screencaps are always a little more saturated than the encode itself? Do you think that I should also release a version of Star Wars with more muted colours like the screencaps I posted for poita before or should I just stick with just releasing this more colourful release?
I'm torn on this because taken together the settings in post 8 which were more muted have a more natural blend/balance to them. They look like a naturally faded print (natural but unexciting). With the new settings while some of the individual shots look really really good some of them look a bit unnatural/corrected.
On my EC2 release (available now folks!!) I went for more saturation/more boosted/exciting so I could bring up certain scenes to shine and the over-boosted scenes: well I just have to sit through. (But I've got some additonial VLC settings which I can toggle on and off, so if I want to take it down to a more faded print look again). In the end, you've got choose what you want it to look like based on what you can get, because from what I can see even the same print frame can look different based on the light behind it/how its projected/captured. So even if you could say X print is the definitive version there would still be several ways to present it - I may get flak for saying this but there can never be a truly exact version, because film is organic and changes in time.
ingenious guide!
O.k. scratch the above correction - I reckon I can get the shirts bluer
This thread is pretty embarrassing to me when I read back on it now because of all the rubbish I wrote on it (though I've deleted a lot of it).
I revived the thread because I wanted to share some new rubbish: a quick experiement of "correcting" the PAL 1982 VHS by filming directly from the tv screen with a camera phone (i know, i know) and then changing the levels.
I wanted to post the results because they are kind of what I was aiming at all along with the thread of getting some unique results from an old alternative source, and these are the first results I've got that I could actually live with.
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****VERSION 2 NOW RELEASED****
see above for clips or request stills
pm for links
Here's a link for a 1982 re-release trailer rip, probably not the quality you want though
http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2014/01/15/Star-Wars-1982-Re-release-35mm-Trailer
i found a more detailed version here : http://i.imgur.com/bw2RMDj.jpg
Evidence for the court:
kk650 said:
I've found it can be a slippery slope though in film grading because in the past i've got carried away and boosted contrast too much to get that extra punchiness. I've then played back the video on my tv and almost burned my eyes out the contrast was so strong
Yep that's the look I actually go for! It's just that no one else does :(
I don't think you need to apologize for setting a finishing point on this project. I started saving set photographs from star wars for a short while and the amount soon became dizzying, as there seems to exist for any given shot dozens of angles, sizes and colourations. It became too confusing to sort after a while so I just deleted the folder. I'm sure the massive collection you've assembled will make a valuable resource even as is without a slide show movie, and its great that you are willing to share it with the community.
here's 2 more clips from V2:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/4jucsb3p4zxr/test5.avi
http://www.filefactory.com/file/1fpez9goi3z1/test4.avi
on vimeo =
PH03N1X06 said:
I'm putting up the NTSC collection on MySpleen right now PAL to follow shortly.
Thanks very much PH03N1X06, much appreciated :)
compressed version of clip on vimeo https://vimeo.com/85103459
NeverarGreat said: Good luck to you, but I would warn against examining the movie too much if you're not planning a shot-by-shot correction, or it will suck you in as it did me. ;)
lol :)
yes and whatever you do don't start looking at multiple sets of references because you will start to lose a firm grip on the cherished star wars in your mind and then start posting those references in other peoples threads in a desperate hope they can rebuild what you've taken apart
O.k. after a couple of missteps I've finally locked the settings for EC2, here is a 1 min clip from the droid sale:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/6ibx4u3yigt9/test2.avi
the balances look more natural on the 2nd frame for me
I don't know which is the most accurate, I know I prefer the second frame as it looks less heavy and more life like on my screen.
my taste is for the first more neutral shot. :)
Great information here and in kk650s thread, poita, thanks for sharing :)
*now if i can just undo all my colour guessing posts...
Very nice clip! Like the natural looking balance of tones in this. Makes it really easy on the eye to watch. Please post more.
I like the result you've got here kk650 and will be looking out for the clip. On my screen and for my tastes I like the 3rd grading best.
You_Too said:
Harmy showed a while back with his adjustment of some 70mm frames..
Oh yeah that shot looks damn lifelike here:
